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Kids today don't know what they've got!

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  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @studs1966 said:

    @Samu said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    In those days for me, in order to complain, I would have had to go to where the phone was plugged in or write a letter and walk to the post office. And if I wanted to find out about the latest thing...I would have to buy a magazine.

    Bingo!
    My first ever 'Sample CD' was on the cover of FutureMusic... (I still have the CD)
    http://www.electronicbeats.net/the-feed/download-the-cd-that-launched-a-trove-of-rave-classics/

    Those were the days...

    Me too @Samu.

    This was one of my first, aside from cheesey bargain bin sound fx cds...

    http://www.synthmania.com/the_x-static_goldmine.htm

  • jn2002dkjn2002dk
    edited July 2017

    http://i.imgur.com/1xyAcMp.png![]

  • SamuSamu
    edited July 2017

    @AudioGus said:

    Sweet, lots of classic sounds on that one :D
    I've got X-Static Goldmine 3 as well and some Time & Space CDs...

    I'd love to get hold of the Zero-G Datafile 1,2 & 3 CDs...
    (They were pulled from the market since copyright for the samples was never cleared).

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited July 2017

    @5pinlink said:
    Im not confusing anything, if you are happy with a 4 track go use one, has nothing at all to do with innovation.

    Creating something new does not have to be innovative, evolution can be the best new thing available if it is done well.

    ...

    ev·o·lu·tion (ĕv′ə-lo͞o′shən, ē′və-)
    n.
    1.
    a. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form.
    b. A result of this process; a development: Judo is an evolution of an earlier martial art.
    2. Biology
    a. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, often resulting in the development of new species. The mechanisms of evolution include natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, mutation, migration, and genetic drift.
    b. The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.
    3. Astronomy Change in the structure, chemical composition, or dynamical properties of a celestial object or system such as a planetary system, star, or galaxy. Evolution often changes the observable or measurable characteristics of the object or system.
    4. A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements: naval evolutions in preparation for battle.
    5. Mathematics The extraction of a root of a quantity.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/evolution

    Since you said better I understood first definition. Maybe I missunderstood something. Let me excuse me if I did it.

    progression (prəˈɡrɛʃən)
    n
    1. the act of progressing; advancement
    2. the act or an instance of moving from one thing or unit in a sequence to the next
    3. (Mathematics) maths a sequence of numbers in which each term differs from the succeeding term by a constant relation. See also arithmetic progression, geometric progression, harmonic progression
    4. (Music, other) music movement, esp of a logical kind, from one note to the next (melodic progression) or from one chord to the next (harmonic progression)
    5. (Astrology) astrology one of several calculations, based on the movement of the planets, from which it is supposed that one can find the expected developments in a person's birth chart and the probable trends of circumstances for a year in his life
    proˈgressional adj
    proˈgressionally adv

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/progression

    Advancement in self-progression doesn't need better tools, just better use of the actual which usually comes from mastering the use. If I need to wait to new better tool I'm rejecting the possibility to master my actual.

    I want to understand what you said but I'm not sure since the last sentence and maybe wrong use of terms? Don't take it personal, just trying to understand mate...

  • StrizbizStrizbiz

    @DefRobot said:
    I'm gonna make myself sound old now, but back when I first started making music (late 80's/90's) I would've killed to have all these iOS music making apps around. A professional sounding studio at your fingertips?!

    We had to make do with live recordings onto a cassette recorder until we had saved enough to afford a 4 track Portastudio
    Even a local demo studio cost a small fortune and you just had to hope that the resident engineer could be arsed to do a decent job.

    I see a fair bit of bickering about stuff not working quite right and people getting arsey with each other, so all I'm saying is appreciate what you've got, it could be a whole lot harder!

    Kids today not only have apps and gear that were light years ahead of what was available in the 80s/90s, they have a way to share it with the world in ways that never existed back then... true story...I was telling my 24 year old nephew that before there was internet, if you wanted someone in another state to hear your music you have to mail it to them or drive there with it..... he says...." What do you mean before there was internet??" lol.

  • JanieJanie

    On the other hand, and just to be contrary, people under 30 are buying lots of vinyl albums and some bands are releasing new albums on cassettes. In Austin anyway.

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    I enjoyed the whole audio generators and then specific tape splices to achieve certain attacks and decays routine, and think it provided me with a solid foundation in both sound and music, but I sure as hell don't want to return to those days!

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @dblonde said:
    I work as a teacher and I think the kids know exactly what they've got. For the most part kids want to get a very quick return on their efforts and thus the quality suffers. Show them something that was crafted and unpack it and explain it to them they are in awe.

    The kids are certainly alright :)

    Doubleplus.
    This fellow teacher has observed the same reactions.
    Kids can't be dazzled by something until they know that it exists.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @DefRobot said:
    I'm gonna make myself sound old now, but back when I first started making music

    What irritates me a little, is that what I was doing 25-30 years ago, and put on an album that I got paid for but hardly anyone bought....is now popular. ;)

    Not in any way implying plagiarism, but Public Service Broadcasting basically have my act, from back in the day. Good luck to them, they do it really well. I suppose what I was among those pioneering was just an idea whose time was yet to come.

    As for bickering about IOS apps, that's surely part of the fun, if it remains civil. Sure, it was MUCH more difficult way back when, and what we have now would've seemed like the stuff of dreams.

    But that was then and this is now.

  • brambosbrambos

    @RulesOfBlazon said:
    The kids are alright.

    I'll drink to that. Cheers!

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited July 2017

    @RulesOfBlazon said:

    Brave new world.
    >

    Coincidentally, 'Assume Nothing', a track by a band I work with, references Huxley in relation to Orwell.

    Orwell feared information being suppressed. Huxley contended that we would become a trivia based society, where truth was swamped. Huxley was right.

  • JRSIVJRSIV
    edited July 2017

    @RulesOfBlazon said:
    Kids today. Where to start.

    I got three of em at home (about to lose one to college in a month). And for whatever reason, my house is often full to bursting with their compadres, so i get a good look at a decent cross-section, maybe even a statistically significant sample size of whatever we're calling their generation.

    These kids grew up with the internet and social media. It affects the way they think, the way they look at the world.

    Our generation revered recording. We looked at it as permanent, lasting. Our kids don't see it that way at all. And why should they. They stream the stuff they want to hear, obsess over it for a couple weeks tops, then it's on to something else. Recordings are ephemeral, fungible. Not valueless, but not respected. They're easy enough to make and publish, if that's what you wanna do- some of their friends do it, no biggie.

    And tools? They are not impressed by apps that emulate something that looks/sounds like the original was made 30-40 years ago ("ok dad, i get it, it sounds like the music in Stranger Things. can i go now?") Give em a game that's really fun to play, tho, and they'll rave about it. Until the next one comes along in a couple weeks, anyhow.

    But they like to express themselves. They are just as creative as we were. If they got something to get out, it's gonna get out- but even the musical ones are not flocking to join bands, make recordings, etc. even tho they got killer tools to work with and then some. Social media is a major outlet, and- what I think few of us realize- social gatherings are another (they travel in packs, these kids, and say/do some interesting stuff in their mini-tribes when they don't think the olds are watching).

    Brave new world. Who's to say they're missing out or have it wrong? Even tho I don't "get" a lot of their ways, they give me a good feeling about the future. Different topic, I guess, but they seem to look out for each other and their world a lot more than we did.

    The kids are alright.

    Great post. I have been self referential on forums several times during discussions about or issues with technology, and you get different reactions. In early 1994 when I first got into recording after several years playing drums first, then guitar & bass, I had two or three options. For anything remotely professional you'd need close to $10k to buy a nice Tascam, Fostex or Otari reel to reel 8 to 16 track multitrack, a mid level recording mixer and the litany of additional kit needed to connect & maintain it all (cabling, patch bay, outboard compressor, reverb, etc.) You might have lucked out if you found a second hand Tascam TSR-8 multitrack and a small mixer used for about half of that $4 or 5 grand.

    That left cassette multitrack's as THE option for musicians eager to get into recording. That isn't "old man yells at sky"/"in my day" BS but just the true, factual situation. Of course it is more difficult to relate to a previous generation while enjoying the benefits of your own. I remember thinking it was crazy that my Grandparents had no TV (not invented yet) just a crystal radio and the side who's from Canada spoke of the telegraph still being the state of the art technology when they were young.

    While I was amazed at the spartan technologies they had, it made me have more gratitude for the things that I had around me that were commonplace & taken fo granted. It just a big leap from me being grateful for the telephone as I imagined the telegraph messages my Grandmotherr got to kids today being grateful for having the entire history of mankind & instant global communication on the 5 inch piece of plastic & glass in their pocket.

  • KühlKühl

    This was my first synth, as I got to use it the first year I studied music science at the technical university Trondheim, Norway 1981. Its the Roland System 700. It's actually on the music history museum now :smile:

    My take is... we had a lot to tinker with back in the day too... lol
    You'll never get enough tinkering with a Buchla or a big analogue system.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @Zen210507 said:
    Orwell feared information being suppressed. Huxley contended that we would become a trivia based society, where truth was swamped. Huxley was right.

    Actually they were both right.

    On another more pertinent or immediate matter: The kids are alright.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @RulesOfBlazon I wish more people thought like you.

  • TheVimFuegoTheVimFuego
    edited July 2017

    @RulesOfBlazon Your post has put me in an uncommonly good mood for the morning commute, for this I thank you.

    I will also get more involved with my 12yo daughter's interest in Garageband and assorted physical instruments. She can already shame me on the keyboard but that's what taking lessons and practicing will do. ;)

  • DhamDham

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    Sometimes I just load up the iMS20 to look at it.

    And I thought that was just me.

    Me too! Then I connect my MS-20ic controller, twiddle the knobs and I'm no longer angry that I have to use a small USB (non-powered) hub to get rid of the annoying insufficient power message:) Life is good.

    I still have an Apple Newton in my collection of Gadgets and I remember reading about the concept of the Dynabook. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook

    Crazy how far we have come in a relatively short period.

    Now, where is that BM3 3.01 update, it's been 4 days already! Lol

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Zen210507 said:
    Orwell feared information being suppressed. Huxley contended that we would become a trivia based society, where truth was swamped. Huxley was right.

    Actually they were both right.

    On another more pertinent or immediate matter: The kids are alright.

    Sure, information is suppressed. The news is no longer the news. ;) But we can get at the truth, if we really want to do so. The bigger problem, ISTM, is those truths getting swamped by disinformation and endless trivia. Was it Goebbels who said, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes accepted as truth? Or something along those lines.

    As for the kids, what are they doing aside from fiddling with their phones. Where is the rebellion of youth. A generation seems largely lost in illusion and spin. The kids may be alright, but aren't putting up a fight.

  • KühlKühl

    Sure, information is suppressed. The news is no longer the news. ;) But we can get at the truth, if we really want to do so. The bigger problem, ISTM, is those truths getting swamped by disinformation and endless trivia. Was it Goebbels who said, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes accepted as truth? Or something along those lines.

    As for the kids, what are they doing aside from fiddling with their phones. Where is the rebellion of youth. A generation seems largely lost in illusion and spin. The kids may be alright, but aren't putting up a fight.

    Couldn't agree more... it's like the generation born from 2000 on, has some kind of tranquilliser bug inside...
    I have a daughter at 18... :smile: so it's kinda ok that she's not like we were :smiley:
    but it's scary anyway.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Dham said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    Sometimes I just load up the iMS20 to look at it.

    And I thought that was just me.

    Me too! Then I connect my MS-20ic controller, twiddle the knobs and I'm no longer angry that I have to use a small USB (non-powered) hub to get rid of the annoying insufficient power message:)

    I don't often connect my MS-20ic these days, but when i do it always induces rhythmic nodding :)

  • brambosbrambos

    @Zen210507 said:
    As for the kids, what are they doing aside from fiddling with their phones. Where is the rebellion of youth. A generation seems largely lost in illusion and spin. The kids may be alright, but aren't putting up a fight.

    Why expect them to fight? Why expect them to copy Gen-X behavior at all? These kids are busy establishing a parallel society and have us believe ours is still relevant until it's too late. No need for them to burn tyres and be all punk.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @brambos said:
    Why expect them to fight? Why expect them to copy Gen-X behavior at all? These kids are busy establishing a parallel society and have us believe ours is still relevant until it's too late. No need for them to burn tyres and be all punk.

    Why expect them to fight? Because while they're busy with pretend friend crap like Twitter and Facebook, the real world has been stolen, along with their future.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited July 2017

    @Kühl said:
    Couldn't agree more... it's like the generation born from 2000 on, has some kind of tranquilliser bug inside...
    I have a daughter at 18... :smile: so it's kinda ok that she's not like we were :smiley:
    but it's scary anyway.

    Too right. Don't get me wrong, I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush. I have young relatives, doing well, etc. But the majority are just not awake.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @Zen210507 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Zen210507 said:
    Orwell feared information being suppressed. Huxley contended that we would become a trivia based society, where truth was swamped. Huxley was right.

    Actually they were both right.

    On another more pertinent or immediate matter: The kids are alright.

    Sure, information is suppressed. The news is no longer the news. ;) But we can get at the truth, if we really want to do so. The bigger problem, ISTM, is those truths getting swamped by disinformation and endless trivia. Was it Goebbels who said, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes accepted as truth? Or something along those lines.

    As for the kids, what are they doing aside from fiddling with their phones. Where is the rebellion of youth. A generation seems largely lost in illusion and spin. The kids may be alright, but aren't putting up a fight.

    Po.

  • brambosbrambos
    edited July 2017

    @Zen210507 said:
    Why expect them to fight? Because while they're busy with pretend friend crap like Twitter and Facebook, the real world has been stolen, along with their future.

    Must be depending on where you live I guess. Most Millennials around here have a pretty good life and are doing well for themselves in spite of the Gen-Xers and Babyboomers making a bit of a mess. But then again I stay clear of all the conspiracy theory crap going around on the internet so all of the 'we're all doomed' nonsense is wasted on me. And no, I'm not one of the 'sheeple'.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    Po.

    Okay, please point me at an example of kids today producing anything as rebellious as the Sex Pistols.

  • brambosbrambos

    @Zen210507 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    Po.

    Okay, please point me at an example of kids today producing anything as rebellious as the Sex Pistols.

    You're just talking about music? Because millennials are responsible for some of the most disruptive socio-economic trends in a century.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @brambos said:

    But then again I stay clear of all the conspiracy theory crap going around on the internet.

    Me too, Brambos. I'm only interested in stuff that has a factual basis.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @brambos said:
    You're just talking about music? Because millennials are responsible for some of the most disruptive socio-economic trends in a century.

    Interesting. What recent music has actually changed society or made people think, the way that protest singers of the 50's and 60's, or the punks of the 70's did? Or for that matter had the very positive influence of, let's say, Bowie?

    ISTM that it's Death Metal, EDM or Ed (Sheerhan) :)

  • brambosbrambos
    edited July 2017

    @Zen210507 said:

    @brambos said:

    But then again I stay clear of all the conspiracy theory crap going around on the internet.

    Me too, Brambos. I'm only interested in stuff that has a factual basis.

    Cool... I've seen a few too many "chemtrails control your mind" discussions, and statements about how we're all controlled by the [xxxx] (insert choice of lizardpeople/bilderberg clan/annunaki from nibiru/random evil governmental organization) ;)

    Anyway... looking around me I'm not quite that negative about Millennials having their future stolen from them. But then again recent research indicated that Dutch youth are among the happiest in the world. I guess I'm surrounded by positivity :)

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