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I was actually talking about everything but music. I'm with you on that one. Millenials have crap taste in music
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Long may it continue.
BTW, I don't know about the rest, but the Bilderberg Group is factual.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
Yes, the group is factual but some of the conspiracies surrounding the group are beyond silly; like scientology-level-silly.
Agreed. There are lots of good kids around. They just don't want to use music to protest, and seem to fall for manipulation a lot easier than we did.
Kids toda don't know what they're missing
Somewhere out there... kids are still like that today! Took this picture while travelling in Ladakh
I started the thread as a 'people don't appreciate how easy it is to make and produce music these days' kinda thing, but it's gone off in a few tangents!
Another great thing now is distribution.
Back in the day, if you didn't get signed or build an audience with live gigs, nobody got to hear you.
Now - theoretically, you can produce a future hit in your back bedroom. If it's great and you promote it well or it catches some sort of trend and goes viral, for example, there's no reason why you can't do it all yourself.
Think outside the box!
Scientology.
Bilderberg does group together leaders and captains of industry, in an environment where security has never been penetrated. So no one knows for sure whether global policy is made, but they sure aren't discussing the weather!
Right. I became 16 in 77 and started a norwegian punk rock band.
Me and my buddies walked for women's rights and against nuclear weapons.
What happens in society is reflected in music. And the scary thing is that pop music of today, reflects nothing worth fighting for... except love, but that's a given. Music for dancing high in a hall with thousands of people, turns a bit off... its like the ultimate egoist group confirmation of braindead conformity.
Agree completely. What I find most disappointing about the state of things with reference to current music, is that a large number of young people - late teens to early 20's - appear to have accepted 'the way things are'.
They have no thought of rebellion, no fire behind their eyes or any desire to do what Nick Cave called 'kicking against the pricks.'
Thus do we get Ed Sheerhan as opposed to a John Lydon or even a new David Bowie.
Political music doesn't age well. Kids today grew up inundated with our nostalgia, so maybe they understand this better than we did. For me as a kid in the 80s, even my parents' protest music was pretty cringe-inducing. I think you'll find dissent in music, but it's more subtle. It may not all be from a liberal progressive direction, either.
I blame all the porn and fluoride in the water
I don't know about in other countries, but in the US and UK the young ARE NOT accepting things as they are. It's just that rather than recording protest music, they're going out there and organizing. They're pretty damn impressive actually.
Sorry if I'm waxing political here, but I need to say what needs to be said regarding Gen Z's form of rebellion. It isn't musical, lol.
The Gen Z kids are growing up mostly conservative, but not Christianity-based conservatism (at least in the US). They grew up seeing things like Nicki Minaj's "Stupid Hoe", Miley Cyrus' 2013 VMA performance with that dude who dressed like Beetlejuice, Rihanna's "Bitch Better Have My Money", Madonna (most anything she's done that Lady Gaga tried to copy), and other instances of pop stars gone burlesque/"potty mouthed"/batsh-t. They see regressive SJW-fueled, ultra-PC political movements crop up on Tumblr, on college campuses, etc. They grew up during the recession of 2008 and learned to be fiscally conservative (okay, so fiscal conservatism is a good kind of conservatism I have to admit). Wasn't just the Baby Boomers nor the Electoral College who are responsible for the man who became our Buffoon in Chief. That's one of many of Gen Z's forms of rebellion against the Left which, according to them, has become "the man".
Musically speaking, the kids are alright. Their music isn't rebellious in the least. The likes of Sia and Clean Bandit and Ed Sheeran are extremely popular because they resonate so well with Gen Z's sense of cleaner pop. (Even Ed Sheeran's song "Shape of You" is more sensual than outright "slutty".) However, secular conservatism seems to be the new counter culture. (For the record, I'm probably considered Moderate-Left by today's standards despite ten years ago my views resonating with the Left, period.) Maybe my insights are not 100% accurate due to fake news, but I try to read all news sources of all biases, independent and mainstream, to see through the muck and draw my own conclusions.
(If you disagree with me, that's alright. Just keep it civil please.)
I think that you make a very good point. While the ideals may remain eternal, a lot of the music doesn't age well. Actually, a lot of the lyrical content, as opposed to the music, doesn't age well.
Case in point: I am really excited about seeing Wayne Kramer in a couple of weeks, not because John Sinclair and the WPP made a brilliant and cogent argument for political realignment, but because The MC5 rocked like motherfuckers!
Millennials are the most left wing group in the US. They were the group most likely to vote for the Democrats. They are more sexually whatever than their elders. They're also more tolerant. None of these things you're saying are true.
What they are is broke, and they're really angry about that.
As for music. Dunno, but US popular music of the 80s was pretty rubbish too.
The 80s were generally a pretty rubbish decade.
Ah, but I'm not referring to Millenials in my above post. I'm referring to Generation Z (aka the iGeneration, Post-Millenials, Homeland Generation, etc). Generation Z'ers were born between the mid 90s and mid 00s. Millenials were born between the early 80s and just before the mid 90s. Generation Z is the generation following the Millenial Generation.
Kids in their 20s are if anything more radicalized that millennials. I feel it's probably a little early to make pronouncements on high schoolers.
Fair point mate.
No worries.
Fake news is a huge problem for us all. Where is the truth, and whose truth, is always debatable. There's a line in the song my band contributed to the Doug Woods album, which goes 'Listen to what wasn't said.' So much, these days, is nothing like the way it seems.
From my British perspective, the kids have been hoodwinked by all sides, and lack either the perception or life experience to spot flim-flam. This is not their fault. The kids are alright, just not as awake as previous generations.
I'd take the 80's music over the 90's any day.
But I agree with you politically.
Doubleplus for the truths you speak
But they're often manipulated into protesting, and wound up against enemies designed and defined by the fake news merchants.
In a very similar way to how a previous generation was media brainwashed into thinking Russia had so many more bombers, etc, than was actually the case. Reds under the bed, a Soviet threat that never actually existed.
All of it intended to keep people confused and in fear, and thus easy to control, while the war machine rumbles endlessly onward.
So much good truth there mate.
i remember fake news cropping up as term earlier in the year. You never heard it used before that. It was a buzzword that was aggressively pushed into the public consciousness to further an agenda, then some folks with a different agenda co opted it an equally aggressive fashion. And now I can't stand it. The news has always been full of bullshit, half truths, and disinformation left to the reader to decipher. Nothing's changed, except now everyone has a handy dandy term to throw around when they think something is bullshit. Whether there might be an element of truth in a story, etc who cares? FAKE NEWS! Barf
Thanks, JWM.
Yes, yes, yes
I have to disagree, at least in some instances.
Most of Mozarts operas were political, Beethovens Eroica Symphony no 3 - they are more beautiful then ever.
Hendrix purple haze... haven't aged a bit. Same with Sex Pistols "never mind the bullocks" or most of the Clash songs.. KrautRock, if not political, it was a musical movement. In the town of Robert Schumann. Becoming, isn't it?
It has become like a II IV I progression, inevitable, but boring.