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Beatmaker 3.01 update live

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  • @AudioGus said:

    @MusicMan4Christ said:
    Resistance is futile :#

    Now where did I hear that from?

    The future.

    The Missus.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I am happy to wait for a bit more polishing, but mostly because it's (to me) a complex bugger that will take some taming and -no doubt- in return deliver goodness. Full procrastinate mode currently, but confident we both (it and me) will get there.... :)

    I would say it is mildly idiosyncratic over complex and in the end just go into it thinking BM3 knows best. Just submit to it.

    You realize you just described modstep as well!

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I am happy to wait for a bit more polishing, but mostly because it's (to me) a complex bugger that will take some taming and -no doubt- in return deliver goodness. Full procrastinate mode currently, but confident we both (it and me) will get there.... :)

    I would say it is mildly idiosyncratic over complex and in the end just go into it thinking BM3 knows best. Just submit to it.

    You realize you just described modstep as well!

    Modstep to me is what Eleanor is to Nicholas Cage. (The Shelby Mustang he steals in Gone in 60 Seconds)
    I know how to drive it, but she doesn't always cooperate.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I am happy to wait for a bit more polishing, but mostly because it's (to me) a complex bugger that will take some taming and -no doubt- in return deliver goodness. Full procrastinate mode currently, but confident we both (it and me) will get there.... :)

    I would say it is mildly idiosyncratic over complex and in the end just go into it thinking BM3 knows best. Just submit to it.

    You realize you just described modstep as well!

    Certainly not for me. While I did not find it complex I found it frustratingly idiosyncratic.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I am happy to wait for a bit more polishing, but mostly because it's (to me) a complex bugger that will take some taming and -no doubt- in return deliver goodness. Full procrastinate mode currently, but confident we both (it and me) will get there.... :)

    I would say it is mildly idiosyncratic over complex and in the end just go into it thinking BM3 knows best. Just submit to it.

    You realize you just described modstep as well!

    Certainly not for me. While I did not find it complex I found it frustratingly idiosyncratic.

    I'm actually driving ab3 with modstep. I find bm3's sequencer view frustrating with it's 8 bank limitation. But now that midi isn't completely broken I can just replace it :)

  • edited August 2017

    I've been having great fun using this as a jam tool. It seems better than AUM for that, because not only can you switch between different AUs that you have loaded to pads really easily, but you can mix and match live play with patterns. I put 4 AUs in one bank of pads and had my Arturia Minilab set up to have that bank on one MIDI channel. Then it was just a matter of switching between pads in order to change instruments. Meanwhile, I had drum patterns on bank A that I was changing at various points. I made a very fun ambienty jam - the key thing was having Ripplemaker on one of its generative patches in order to cover the changes between instruments.

    Anyway, is there a way to press a pad on Beatmaker 3 without it making a sound (and I don't mean mute!)? When I wanted to switch between AU instruments loaded onto 4 pads, the only flaw was that each pad sounded a note when I pressed it to get to that instrument's page (I was playing the actual tune on my Minilab). I tried using the 'select' function but that doesn't actually switch pads.

    So what I want is for there to be an option to press a pad to switch between instruments without that pad playing a note, and only on the bank where I want that to happen (I wouldn't want it to happen on my drum pads bank, for example). Is this possible? It would be a cool option to introduce if not.

  • @Michael_R_Grant said:
    I've been having great fun using this as a jam tool. It seems better than AUM for that, because not only can you switch between different AUs that you have loaded to pads really easily, but you can mix and match live play with patterns. I put 4 AUs in one bank of pads and had my Arturia Minilab set up to have that bank on one MIDI channel. Then it was just a matter of switching between pads in order to change instruments. Meanwhile, I had drum patterns on bank A that I was changing at various points. I made a very fun ambienty jam - the key thing was having Ripplemaker on one of its generative patches in order to cover the changes between instruments.

    Anyway, is there a way to press a pad on Beatmaker 3 without it making a sound (and I don't mean mute!)? When I wanted to switch between AU instruments loaded onto 4 pads, the only flaw was that each pad sounded a note when I pressed it to get to that instrument's page (I was playing the actual tune on my Minilab). I tried using the 'select' function but that doesn't actually switch pads.

    So what I want is for there to be an option to press a pad to switch between instruments without that pad playing a note, and only on the bank where I want that to happen (I wouldn't want it to happen on my drum pads bank, for example). Is this possible? It would be a cool option to introduce if not.

    I can't confirm now man... But it seems to me that in the editor view (at least) there is an option called 'select' next to the pads, and if you activate it you can then select a pad (i.e. change from one pad to another) without 'activating' it...

  • Are you guys able to load Fugue Machine on one pad and record properly aligned MIDI on a different pad? If I manually start FM (with FM not receiving clock) then the MIDI is recorded to the pad, but not aligned to the beginning. If I set FM to receive clock from BM and press play in FM (nothing happening yet), then it doesn´t start when I press record in BM. I also tried with Link, but no success.

  • @ElGregoLoco said:

    @Michael_R_Grant said:
    I've been having great fun using this as a jam tool. It seems better than AUM for that, because not only can you switch between different AUs that you have loaded to pads really easily, but you can mix and match live play with patterns. I put 4 AUs in one bank of pads and had my Arturia Minilab set up to have that bank on one MIDI channel. Then it was just a matter of switching between pads in order to change instruments. Meanwhile, I had drum patterns on bank A that I was changing at various points. I made a very fun ambienty jam - the key thing was having Ripplemaker on one of its generative patches in order to cover the changes between instruments.

    Anyway, is there a way to press a pad on Beatmaker 3 without it making a sound (and I don't mean mute!)? When I wanted to switch between AU instruments loaded onto 4 pads, the only flaw was that each pad sounded a note when I pressed it to get to that instrument's page (I was playing the actual tune on my Minilab). I tried using the 'select' function but that doesn't actually switch pads.

    So what I want is for there to be an option to press a pad to switch between instruments without that pad playing a note, and only on the bank where I want that to happen (I wouldn't want it to happen on my drum pads bank, for example). Is this possible? It would be a cool option to introduce if not.

    I can't confirm now man... But it seems to me that in the editor view (at least) there is an option called 'select' next to the pads, and if you activate it you can then select a pad (i.e. change from one pad to another) without 'activating' it...

    I tried that - it seems to be a multi-select tool rather than switching to a pad when you press it, unfortunately.

  • The BM3.01 .pdf User's Manual is here: https://intua.net/bm3-user-manual-pdf/

  • @Dham said:
    The BM3.01 .pdf User's Manual is here: https://intua.net/bm3-user-manual-pdf/

    Sweet, thanks!

  • I know it's too much to ask but would love to see a vid of how this works. Seems like it Would make recording loops exported from Groovebox so much easier to turn into a song.

    @Michael_R_Grant said:
    I've been having great fun using this as a jam tool. It seems better than AUM for that, because not only can you switch between different AUs that you have loaded to pads really easily, but you can mix and match live play with patterns. I put 4 AUs in one bank of pads and had my Arturia Minilab set up to have that bank on one MIDI channel. Then it was just a matter of switching between pads in order to change instruments. Meanwhile, I had drum patterns on bank A that I was changing at various points. I made a very fun ambienty jam - the key thing was having Ripplemaker on one of its generative patches in order to cover the changes between instruments.

    Anyway, is there a way to press a pad on Beatmaker 3 without it making a sound (and I don't mean mute!)? When I wanted to switch between AU instruments loaded onto 4 pads, the only flaw was that each pad sounded a note when I pressed it to get to that instrument's page (I was playing the actual tune on my Minilab). I tried using the 'select' function but that doesn't actually switch pads.

    So what I want is for there to be an option to press a pad to switch between instruments without that pad playing a note, and only on the bank where I want that to happen (I wouldn't want it to happen on my drum pads bank, for example). Is this possible? It would be a cool option to introduce if not.

  • @Michael_R_Grant said:

    @ElGregoLoco said:

    @Michael_R_Grant said:
    I've been having great fun using this as a jam tool. It seems better than AUM for that, because not only can you switch between different AUs that you have loaded to pads really easily, but you can mix and match live play with patterns. I put 4 AUs in one bank of pads and had my Arturia Minilab set up to have that bank on one MIDI channel. Then it was just a matter of switching between pads in order to change instruments. Meanwhile, I had drum patterns on bank A that I was changing at various points. I made a very fun ambienty jam - the key thing was having Ripplemaker on one of its generative patches in order to cover the changes between instruments.

    Anyway, is there a way to press a pad on Beatmaker 3 without it making a sound (and I don't mean mute!)? When I wanted to switch between AU instruments loaded onto 4 pads, the only flaw was that each pad sounded a note when I pressed it to get to that instrument's page (I was playing the actual tune on my Minilab). I tried using the 'select' function but that doesn't actually switch pads.

    So what I want is for there to be an option to press a pad to switch between instruments without that pad playing a note, and only on the bank where I want that to happen (I wouldn't want it to happen on my drum pads bank, for example). Is this possible? It would be a cool option to introduce if not.

    I can't confirm now man... But it seems to me that in the editor view (at least) there is an option called 'select' next to the pads, and if you activate it you can then select a pad (i.e. change from one pad to another) without 'activating' it...

    I tried that - it seems to be a multi-select tool rather than switching to a pad when you press it, unfortunately.

    When you have the pads showing, there is the SELECT button right below KEYS on the right. Highlight this, and make sure that no other buttons are highlighted (for instance KEYS). Then touch the pad you want to go to. Works for me unless I'm misunderstanding what you want to do.

  • @wim said:

    @Michael_R_Grant said:

    @ElGregoLoco said:

    @Michael_R_Grant said:
    I've been having great fun using this as a jam tool. It seems better than AUM for that, because not only can you switch between different AUs that you have loaded to pads really easily, but you can mix and match live play with patterns. I put 4 AUs in one bank of pads and had my Arturia Minilab set up to have that bank on one MIDI channel. Then it was just a matter of switching between pads in order to change instruments. Meanwhile, I had drum patterns on bank A that I was changing at various points. I made a very fun ambienty jam - the key thing was having Ripplemaker on one of its generative patches in order to cover the changes between instruments.

    Anyway, is there a way to press a pad on Beatmaker 3 without it making a sound (and I don't mean mute!)? When I wanted to switch between AU instruments loaded onto 4 pads, the only flaw was that each pad sounded a note when I pressed it to get to that instrument's page (I was playing the actual tune on my Minilab). I tried using the 'select' function but that doesn't actually switch pads.

    So what I want is for there to be an option to press a pad to switch between instruments without that pad playing a note, and only on the bank where I want that to happen (I wouldn't want it to happen on my drum pads bank, for example). Is this possible? It would be a cool option to introduce if not.

    I can't confirm now man... But it seems to me that in the editor view (at least) there is an option called 'select' next to the pads, and if you activate it you can then select a pad (i.e. change from one pad to another) without 'activating' it...

    I tried that - it seems to be a multi-select tool rather than switching to a pad when you press it, unfortunately.

    When you have the pads showing, there is the SELECT button right below KEYS on the right. Highlight this, and make sure that no other buttons are highlighted (for instance KEYS). Then touch the pad you want to go to. Works for me unless I'm misunderstanding what you want to do.

    The "MODE:SELECT" setting in the Focus Actions is set to either Toggle or Momentary. Make sure what you're trying to do with the Minilab matches up with however it's set.

  • @Michael_R_Grant said:

    @ElGregoLoco said:

    @Michael_R_Grant said:
    I've been having great fun using this as a jam tool. It seems better than AUM for that, because not only can you switch between different AUs that you have loaded to pads really easily, but you can mix and match live play with patterns. I put 4 AUs in one bank of pads and had my Arturia Minilab set up to have that bank on one MIDI channel. Then it was just a matter of switching between pads in order to change instruments. Meanwhile, I had drum patterns on bank A that I was changing at various points. I made a very fun ambienty jam - the key thing was having Ripplemaker on one of its generative patches in order to cover the changes between instruments.

    Anyway, is there a way to press a pad on Beatmaker 3 without it making a sound (and I don't mean mute!)? When I wanted to switch between AU instruments loaded onto 4 pads, the only flaw was that each pad sounded a note when I pressed it to get to that instrument's page (I was playing the actual tune on my Minilab). I tried using the 'select' function but that doesn't actually switch pads.

    So what I want is for there to be an option to press a pad to switch between instruments without that pad playing a note, and only on the bank where I want that to happen (I wouldn't want it to happen on my drum pads bank, for example). Is this possible? It would be a cool option to introduce if not.

    I can't confirm now man... But it seems to me that in the editor view (at least) there is an option called 'select' next to the pads, and if you activate it you can then select a pad (i.e. change from one pad to another) without 'activating' it...

    I tried that - it seems to be a multi-select tool rather than switching to a pad when you press it, unfortunately.

    If this is the case, I was not able to use it... But it would be wonderful in a way... Does it mean that you can change parameters for multiple pads in one time ?

  • wimwim
    edited August 2017

    @ElGregoLoco said:
    ... Does it mean that you can change parameters for multiple pads in one time ?

    No.

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I am happy to wait for a bit more polishing, but mostly because it's (to me) a complex bugger that will take some taming and -no doubt- in return deliver goodness. Full procrastinate mode currently, but confident we both (it and me) will get there.... :)

    I would say it is mildly idiosyncratic over complex and in the end just go into it thinking BM3 knows best. Just submit to it.

    You realize you just described modstep as well!

    Certainly not for me. While I did not find it complex I found it frustratingly idiosyncratic.

    I'm actually driving ab3 with modstep. I find bm3's sequencer view frustrating with it's 8 bank limitation. But now that midi isn't completely broken I can just replace it :)

    Tried driving a pad inside BM3 with Modstep. Checked master midi settings on, routing all on. Input devices Modstep. Under bank and pad have selected Modstep as mini in checked channel all. Do you need a instrument loaded onto the pad to do this? If so if you send the midi direct to that instrument will it record inside BM3?

  • @Jumpercollins said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I am happy to wait for a bit more polishing, but mostly because it's (to me) a complex bugger that will take some taming and -no doubt- in return deliver goodness. Full procrastinate mode currently, but confident we both (it and me) will get there.... :)

    I would say it is mildly idiosyncratic over complex and in the end just go into it thinking BM3 knows best. Just submit to it.

    You realize you just described modstep as well!

    Certainly not for me. While I did not find it complex I found it frustratingly idiosyncratic.

    I'm actually driving ab3 with modstep. I find bm3's sequencer view frustrating with it's 8 bank limitation. But now that midi isn't completely broken I can just replace it :)

    Tried driving a pad inside BM3 with Modstep. Checked master midi settings on, routing all on. Input devices Modstep. Under bank and pad have selected Modstep as mini in checked channel all. Do you need a instrument loaded onto the pad to do this? If so if you send the midi direct to that instrument will it record inside BM3?

    >

    First things first, make sure you disable route all midi to selected pad.

    Second. Bm3 is still a broken when it comes to accepting modstep midi. So the way I routed is using ab3 midi I sent each modstep layer to a separate mfadapter port. This let's you control either 8 banks or 8 instruments within a bank using modstep. It's a lot better than just a single layer accepting midi now. Main reason I prefer using modstep a piano roll is scaled locked midi and other tricks. With ableton link on both apps should sync perfectly for recording,

  • edited August 2017

    Actually found a better workaround. Use mfadapter as standalone without ab3. Send modstep tracks to mfadapter 1. Each track from channel 1-16. In bm3 set bank input and out to none. On each pad you want controlled set input port to all and channels from 1-16 You can now control up to 16 layers via modstep, this works for all 16 in one bank or spread across multiple banks. Hope this helps @Jumpercollins

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Actually found a better workaround. Use mfadapter as standalone without ab3. Send modstep tracks to mfadapter 1. Each track from channel 1-16. In bm3 set bank input and out to none. On each pad you want controlled set input port to all and channels from 1-16 You can now control up to 16 layers via modstep, this works for all 16 in one bank or spread across multiple banks. Hope this helps @Jumpercollins

    I've been using Modstep and midflowAdapter too but it is working with just Modstep to Beatmaker 3, just send each Modstep track to Beatmaker 3 port on different midi channels, set the bank to midi in Port: all channel: all. And each pad to Port:Bank setting and different channels specific to Modstep tracks.

    Works for me....

  • @Carnbot said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Actually found a better workaround. Use mfadapter as standalone without ab3. Send modstep tracks to mfadapter 1. Each track from channel 1-16. In bm3 set bank input and out to none. On each pad you want controlled set input port to all and channels from 1-16 You can now control up to 16 layers via modstep, this works for all 16 in one bank or spread across multiple banks. Hope this helps @Jumpercollins

    I've been using Modstep and midflowAdapter too but it is working with just Modstep to Beatmaker 3, just send each Modstep track to Beatmaker 3 port on different midi channels, set the bank to midi in Port: all channel: all. And each pad to Port:Bank setting and different channels specific to Modstep tracks.

    Works for me....

    Good point there. Yep. Definitely a better way to use it.

  • Great guys thanks for all the info will try that. Been playing with Klimper tonight has a fab sequencer also can see that catching on as a main stream tool as well.

  • @Carnbot said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Actually found a better workaround. Use mfadapter as standalone without ab3. Send modstep tracks to mfadapter 1. Each track from channel 1-16. In bm3 set bank input and out to none. On each pad you want controlled set input port to all and channels from 1-16 You can now control up to 16 layers via modstep, this works for all 16 in one bank or spread across multiple banks. Hope this helps @Jumpercollins

    I've been using Modstep and midflowAdapter too but it is working with just Modstep to Beatmaker 3, just send each Modstep track to Beatmaker 3 port on different midi channels, set the bank to midi in Port: all channel: all. And each pad to Port:Bank setting and different channels specific to Modstep tracks.

    Works for me....

    Why use Modstep with BM3?

  • @AudioGus
    I usually use Modstep with ab3 and AUM for hosting but with BM3 it gives another option for sequencing a sampler which you can't do in AUM, well there are some options but not as good. If you mean why not use BM3 on its own? Then because I much prefer Modstep as a sequencer, I've not got too deep into BM3 sequencer yet. The modulation options are very good but the piano roll sequencer itself is quite basic in some ways, but not sure I've learnt all the tricks yet.

    I'm just playing with different workflows though. So not sure what I'll do more in the future... :) lots of options.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Actually found a better workaround. Use mfadapter as standalone without ab3. Send modstep tracks to mfadapter 1. Each track from channel 1-16. In bm3 set bank input and out to none. On each pad you want controlled set input port to all and channels from 1-16 You can now control up to 16 layers via modstep, this works for all 16 in one bank or spread across multiple banks. Hope this helps @Jumpercollins

    I've been using Modstep and midflowAdapter too but it is working with just Modstep to Beatmaker 3, just send each Modstep track to Beatmaker 3 port on different midi channels, set the bank to midi in Port: all channel: all. And each pad to Port:Bank setting and different channels specific to Modstep tracks.

    Works for me....

    Why use Modstep with BM3?

    Because I prefer it's sequencer. Having a scale locked piano roll is extremely useful when scketching chord progression and melodies. Plus I've used it for hundreds of hrs.

  • @Carnbot said:
    @AudioGus
    I usually use Modstep with ab3 and AUM for hosting but with BM3 it gives another option for sequencing a sampler which you can't do in AUM, well there are some options but not as good. If you mean why not use BM3 on its own? Then because I much prefer Modstep as a sequencer, I've not got too deep into BM3 sequencer yet. The modulation options are very good but the piano roll sequencer itself is quite basic in some ways, but not sure I've learnt all the tricks yet.

    I'm just playing with different workflows though. So not sure what I'll do more in the future... :) lots of options.

    Me, myself coming from years of Logic and Ableton Live I immediately felt at home in BM3. The idea of the Sampler being the centerpiece and this coupled with the smart way of the BM3 banks this is purely awesome.

    I find the midi editor to be perfectly done and well featured. Then you have access to the Macros and X/Y fields, I mean, this is nuts, plus a nice UI for all the Standard Apple Audio AU's included for 20 Dollars...

    All editors in fact could do with a simple copy paste function, not just duplicate though.

  • edited August 2017

    Two nights in a row of about three hours constructive work, both projects lost due to crashes. I love this app, but it frustrates me so much. Trying to reload the one autosave that managed to work results in all AUv3 effects crashing and no sound.

  • @guidinglight said:
    Two nights in a row of about three hours constructive work, both projects lost due to crashes. I love this app, but it frustrates me so much. Trying to reload the one autosave that managed to work results in all AUv3 effects crashing and no sound.

    What device are you on if you don't mind me asking ? Is it one of the newer pros ?

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @guidinglight said:
    Two nights in a row of about three hours constructive work, both projects lost due to crashes. I love this app, but it frustrates me so much. Trying to reload the one autosave that managed to work results in all AUv3 effects crashing and no sound.

    What device are you on if you don't mind me asking ? Is it one of the newer pros ?

    Yes.

  • Doesn't sound good. I'm glad I got my trusty pro 9.7, it's been rock solid for me for the most part since the update.

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