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OT: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? (Video by Thoughty2)

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  • edited August 2017

    @cian said:
    Assuming you live in the UK - have you seen the Sun/Mail/Telegraph. BAN THIS FILTH NOW! If you live in the US - Fox news pushing boycotts of the Dixie Chicks will do just as well. Or the way Right wing trolls try to destroy people they dislike online/offline.

    I think you misunderstand. Just because I criticised the actions of the Left, does not mean I'm a fan of the Right. Both do bad things, often. Both lie through their back teeth, and are essentially the same. None of us need either side to tell us what is right or wrong.

  • edited August 2017

    @cian said:

    And the confederates that too many of them are nostalgic about were the Nazis of their era.
    >

    I recently watched a political documentary by Dinesh D'Souza, concerning the origins of the Democrat party. Eye opening stuff. Suffice it to say early Democrats included President Andrew Jackson, a man who had over 100 black slaves, was directly responsible for the Trail of Tears, and who makes Trump look like a pussycat. Another big fan was the guy who invented the Ku Klux Clan! It was all supposed to change with something called the Big Switch, where 'evil racist' Democrats became republicans. Except, only a handful actually switched, and the Democrats went on to recreate the plantations as urban ghettos, which still exist today.

    So, back to music in politics. Should the above - and anything else so wrong - be sung about as a protest and to wake people up? Hell yes, loud and proud!

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @cian said:
    Assuming you live in the UK - have you seen the Sun/Mail/Telegraph. BAN THIS FILTH NOW! If you live in the US - Fox news pushing boycotts of the Dixie Chicks will do just as well. Or the way Right wing trolls try to destroy people they dislike online/offline.

    I think you misunderstand. Just because I criticised the actions of the Left, does not mean I'm a fan of the Right. Both do bad things, often. Both lie through their back teeth, and are essentially the same. None of us need either side to tell us what is right or wrong.

    You were saying that the left do it more. I disagree. The right do it a lot too.

  • @cian said:
    You were saying that the left do it more. I disagree. The right do it a lot too.

    If that was the inference you took, then allow me to correct my meaning. Both left and right include disingenuous people, who warp ideology to suppress those who don't agree with them. Allowing such people to silence us, or set us against each other, is exactly what they want.

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @cian said:

    And the confederates that too many of them are nostalgic about were the Nazis of their era.
    >

    I recently watched a political documentary by Dinesh D'Souza, concerning the origins of the Democrat party. Eye opening stuff. Suffice it to say early Democrats included President Andrew Jackson, a man who had over 100 black slaves, was directly responsible for the Trail of Tears, and who makes Trump look like a pussycat. Another big fan was the guy who invented the Ku Klux Clan! It was all supposed to change with something called the Big Switch, where 'evil racist' Democrats became republicans. Except, only a handful actually switched, and the Democrats went on to recreate the plantations as urban ghettos, which still exist today.

    Evil racist Democrats joined the Republican party. Black people stopped voting Republican and started voting Democrat. This is why the South went from being dominated by the Republicans to being dominated by Democrats. Nixon built his political strategy on using the south's racism to bring them into the Republican party. It's hard to crack open an American history book without learning this pretty elementary fact. And if he really argues that urban ghettos are the equivalent of plantations (e.g. slavery), then words fail me.

    Dinesh D'Souza is perhaps not the person to attack others for racism given that he's built a career on his own racism. When at college he published an interview with a KKK leader, accompanied by a picture of a lynched black man. Ten years later he published a book called the 'End of Racism' which basically argued that all the problems black people faced were their own fault. When the AEI (a deeply conservative, right wing, think tank) hired him - two of their black fellows resigned in protest.

    So, back to music in politics. Should the above - and anything else so wrong - be sung about as a protest and to wake people up? Hell yes, loud and proud!

    I'm not really a fan of bad history being turned into pop music.

  • @Max23 said:

    Oh yeah!

    Totally.

    Remember like yesterday them at Lalapalooza.

    Lush opened. Then it may have been them.

    That year had fucking MINISTRY, PEARL JAM, SOUNDGARDEN, ICE CUBE, and the CHILIS.

    Just writing it makes me just like wow.

    It was first favoritate Lala for me.

    Next fave was with Luscious Jackson, Beastie Boys, Tribe Called Quest, L7, and shit................Pumpkins...........................I forget the other acts that year now.

    Damn, I never evn touched a drug at that point in my life.

    NICK CAVE and the BAD SEEDS was awesome.

    Tribe Called Quest as well.

    Saw it in Philly at the time.

  • I was just watching them on an old Snub TV episode. They also had Loop on. I had forgotten how good they were.

  • @cian said:
    I'm not really a fan of bad history being turned into pop music.

    Each to our own. :)

  • @cian said:

    @greengrocer said:

    @Zen210507 said:

    @cian said:

    @mannix said:

    My opinion is that pop artists with political opinions are an embarrassment to the human race.

    Hurricane - Bob Dylan
    Lives in the Balance - Jackson Browne
    Tramp Down the Dirt - Elvis Costello
    War - Edwin Starr
    Rockin' in the Free World - Neil Young
    Working Class Hero - John Lennon
    Going Backwards - Depeche Mode
    Sympathy For the Devil - Rolling Stones
    God Save the Queen - Sex Pistols
    What's Goin' On - Marvin Gaye
    The Revolution Will Not Be Televised - Gil Scott-Heron
    A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke

    There's no problem for me with political messages in music, in fact to could create awareness and open discussions. The problem nowadays is that everything is drawn into to political domain (to a degree that is beyond absurd) by een group of people that are not afraid to silence messages that they don't like (through social media bans). An example how things also could be played is Lynyrd Skynyrd's response to the endless bitching about people in the Southern States (because of their more conservative view) and the generalizaion that all Southerners are the same type of people. In fact their protest song Home Sweet Alabama became a classic. In the playing field nowadays it's impossible to imagine such a response and even becoming a hit.

    You say conservative views, I say damn racist.

    No not all southerners are the same - but the culture they celebrate is backward, racist, unequal, oppressive and cruel. And the confederates that too many of them are nostalgic about were the Nazis of their era. Though to be fair the Nazis could make the trains run on time - Southern elites are ****ing useless at doing anything other than continuing their pampered, indolent, selfish, self-indulgent lives.

    I live in the South near the buckle of the bible belt so you know - this is based upon experience.

    Musically the song is fine - but lyrically... Good god.

    You used the r word in your first line, hence clearly no understanding what my argument was and of course no discussion possible. Go troll somewhere else.

  • edited August 2017

    The fact that pop music pretty much always has a 'front person' or lead singer, to me was the tip off when I was younger that there was something fishy going on. Music to me was a place to escape the strutting, too-cool-for-school assholes in my life. Lyrics and singers are overrated. I may not dig huge on EDM (the alt-pop or whatever) but I totaly dig the fact that the experience of it is not about staring down the gullet of a glorified, strutting self absorbed poet.

  • Snub TV. That was a great program.

  • edited August 2017

    @AudioGus said:
    Lyrics and singers are overrated.

    >

    Many are, for sure. The prancing preening big heads, with their banal or crudely sexualised lyrics.

    Then there are singers who delight with the sheer brilliance of their voice, and lyricists whose wordsmith ability can do so much more than entertain. Occasionally, they are one and the same.

    But I'd agree they're in a small minority.

  • @cian said:
    And if he really argues that urban ghettos are the equivalent of plantations (e.g. slavery), then words fail me.

    Just wanted to add, I think what D'Souza meant was the transference of poor, uneducated, easily manipulated people to a different kind of slavery; the system designed to exploit them and keep them down.

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Lyrics and singers are overrated.

    >

    Many are, for sure. The prancing preening big heads, with their banal or crudely sexualised lyrics.

    Then there are singers who delight with the sheer brilliance of their voice, and lyricists whose wordsmith ability can do so much more than entertain. Occasionally, they are one and the same.

    But I'd agree they're in a small minority.

    I mean as a general category of music I find vocals are overrated. If someone predominantly listens to music that has vocals I tend not to see them as really being into music. Given that pop music is 99.9% vocal oriented tells me popular culture is not that into music. It is more into identity and lifestyle.

  • False Equivalency is the fastest growing religion in the world today.

    Allot of republicans and conservatives simultaneously claim Lincoln and the Confederate flags but I've never seen a picture of Lincoln waving any iterations of the Confederate flag.

    "Then supposedly leftist liberal people can get far more aggressive and far keener on censorship than the right of politics"

    the way you can test the accuracy of something like this is to look at legislation, you can't get farther left or farther right than of their respective legislation. as per legislation that is relevant to what you guys were talking about such as voter suppression legislation, voting against equal pay for women legislation, fire gay employees because they're gay legislation, gerrymandering legislation, etc..virtually almost any legislation of this nature falls on one side of the isle.

    regarding the song Alabama and the time that it was published. Whenever people talk about the 'good'ole days' and the fruits and wonders of those days an element that is often left out of the discussion is that the good ole days simply weren't good ole days for everyone. An argument could be made in some circles that that fact alone is enough to question whether there was ever such a thing as good old days.

    I never understood the desire to separate politics from art or anything for that matter since politics is the foundation for everything in any organized or un-organized society. Politics exist everywhere from the largest cosmopolitan city to the farthest remote village tribe. you can no more separate politics from anything in life than you can separate socialism from the medical programs and social security programs that you don't want anyone to take away.

  • imo the fact that there is so much music available/accessible today and that the responsibility to find what moves you rest more on the listener than any other time is a good problem to have. We are lucky to be able to experience these times.

  • I only like marching bands. I think that anyone who isn't into marching bands doesn't really understand music, they're just into image and lifestyle.

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  • edited August 2017

    @richardyot said:
    I only like marching bands. I think that anyone who isn't into marching bands doesn't really understand music, they're just into image and lifestyle.

    haha nice. Yah, that is my point, It is like peope i know who claim to be into visual art but everything they look at is just characters and people. No images of abstract art, no environments, no graphic design, no industrial design, no architecture etc just people posing.

    pop culture is prodominantly just idealised power fantasy.

  • @DeVlaeminck said:
    Stoppit!

    You're right

    It doesn't belong here

  • edited August 2017

    @AudioGus said:
    If someone predominantly listens to music that has vocals I tend not to see them as really being into music.

    >

    I find it slightly absurd that you would apparently write me off, and imply some kind of superiority, simply because I like to hear songs; music and words.

    I am reminded of my time in radio, when a fellow DJ came in proudly clutching the single of Will You - by Wesley McGoogan. Congratulations, he was told, you've just bought half a record! Those who bought the Hazel O'Connor release got McGoogan's great sax break and the rest of the song.

  • edited August 2017

    @Zen210507 said:

    @AudioGus said:
    If someone predominantly listens to music that has vocals I tend not to see them as really being into music.

    >

    I find it slightly absurd that you would apparently write me off, and imply some kind of superiority, simply because I like to hear songs; music and words.

    ((insert paddling backwards motion))

    Sorry, totally didn't mean to imply anything in terms of superiority and I know nothing of your music tastes/consumption. I was trying to make a point more on a cultural level, using my cartoon version of the average pop culture consumer.

    If I said I was really into music and 'those other vocal obsessed listening people' were not then it would come across that way, but I never did say I was. It is like foodies (which I am not) who eat a wide range of food and have a super experienced pallet. Better yet, chefs who have studied a wide range of culinary styles and even attempted their own designs/hybrids etc. These people are really into food. The guy who only appreciates meat and potatoes en mass and he himself BBQs an awesome steak is a steak guy to me, not a general 'food' guy.

    Anywho, my point was not about individuals though, but the accumulation of individuals that comprise pop culture which i was saying is not really into 'music' as a broad definition. Does our culture like eating? Absolutely. It eats a ton of food. Is popular food culture broad ranging with a wide experience and appreciation / understanding for cooking/presentation etc. Hell no. That was more my point.

  • @richardyot said:
    I only like marching bands. I think that anyone who isn't into marching bands doesn't really understand music, they're just into image and lifestyle.

    Ten thousand points extracted from the grateful tears of imaginary virgins and crushed into a diamond that will cut cant into slices for frying and then throwing away so far that the even the dogs won't bother. Really very good.

  • WTF is Modern music inferior at this moment ? NO! Again, Read and listen to the the SOTMC, just August alone has dished us up a couple of perspectives that deserve consideration of the point ,in this thread. The whistle of a bird (not a craw from a crow or suchlike). IMHO is not cacophonous .the pop music of nature does evolve. So let's knock off the the political drivel and praise what suits us all.

  • edited August 2017

    @AudioGus said:
    The fact that pop music pretty much always has a 'front person' or lead singer, to me was the tip off when I was younger that there was something fishy going on. Music to me was a place to escape the strutting, too-cool-for-school assholes in my life. Lyrics and singers are overrated. I may not dig huge on EDM (the alt-pop or whatever) but I totaly dig the fact that the experience of it is not about staring down the gullet of a glorified, strutting self absorbed poet.

  • Not the politics of music of course!

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