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Yamaha MDBT01 Wireless Bluetooth MIDI Adapter - They're Brilliant! (Edit: Check compatibility)

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  • anranr

    @rs2000 said:

    @anr said:
    I have a question for Yamaha MDBT01 owners.
    Does it work also with synth modules that have only MIDI In and Thru, but not an Out?
    Thanks.

    Depends on what you want to do. It needs a port that provides power which can be both an OUT or a THRU port. If you plan to send MIDI notes to the synth module being the receiver and the two dongles attached to IN and THRU, that should work!

    Yes, that is exactly the setup I had in mind, let’s hope the THRU provides the power it needs. Did anyone try?

  • rs2000rs2000

    @anr said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @anr said:
    I have a question for Yamaha MDBT01 owners.
    Does it work also with synth modules that have only MIDI In and Thru, but not an Out?
    Thanks.

    Depends on what you want to do. It needs a port that provides power which can be both an OUT or a THRU port. If you plan to send MIDI notes to the synth module being the receiver and the two dongles attached to IN and THRU, that should work!

    Yes, that is exactly the setup I had in mind, let’s hope the THRU provides the power it needs. Did anyone try?

    What hardware?
    There's no general yes or no answer, the MIDI port has to be able to provide 20 mA to the BT01 which won't happen if the MIDI out/thru circuit cannot provide at least about 3.8V.

  • anranr

    I wanted to try a few different machines, Vermona Perfourmer being one of them...
    Well, I ordered one anyway, we’ll see...

  • rs2000rs2000

    @anr said:
    I wanted to try a few different machines, Vermona Perfourmer being one of them...
    Well, I ordered one anyway, we’ll see...

    If all fails, you can build a simple circuit (a MIDI jack, a resistor and an old USB cable) to build a little power supply that runs off a USB port or a power bank for many hours.

  • SpartanClownTideSpartanClownTide

    Kenton thru-5, powers the BT01 and you get 4 MIDI outputs. Only one way in this arrangement but ideal for some cases.

  • SpookyZooSpookyZoo

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Kenton thru-5, powers the BT01 and you get 4 MIDI outputs. Only one way in this arrangement but ideal for some cases.

    Interesting. So for gear that can’t power the BT01, you hook up your midi controller into the input of Kenton, and then just one dongle of the BT01 into one of the outs, which then advertises and sends on the midi over BT?

    Have I got that right?

  • SpartanClownTideSpartanClownTide

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Kenton thru-5, powers the BT01 and you get 4 MIDI outputs. Only one way in this arrangement but ideal for some cases.

    Interesting. So for gear that can’t power the BT01, you hook up your midi controller into the input of Kenton, and then just one dongle of the BT01 into one of the outs, which then advertises and sends on the midi over BT?

    Have I got that right?

    Yep. The Kenton MIDI thru is a brilliant bit of kit. My biggest reservation on the setup is timing over Bluetooth. There's a glitch changing across apps say going from AUM to AB3 or Patterning 2. Drives me nuts, then trying to sync external sequencers to sequencers running in iPad, I tend to go one or the other. Stay in one app. I'm tempted to get a USB hub and go wired. Might just be the nature of MIDI clock on iPad though.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Kenton thru-5, powers the BT01 and you get 4 MIDI outputs. Only one way in this arrangement but ideal for some cases.

    Interesting. So for gear that can’t power the BT01, you hook up your midi controller into the input of Kenton, and then just one dongle of the BT01 into one of the outs, which then advertises and sends on the midi over BT?

    Have I got that right?

    Yep. The Kenton MIDI thru is a brilliant bit of kit. My biggest reservation on the setup is timing over Bluetooth. There's a glitch changing across apps say going from AUM to AB3 or Patterning 2. Drives me nuts, then trying to sync external sequencers to sequencers running in iPad, I tend to go one or the other. Stay in one app. I'm tempted to get a USB hub and go wired. Might just be the nature of MIDI clock on iPad though.

    App switching while trying to stay in sync might be the biggest possible challenge indeed.
    Other than that, uncorrected audio buffer lengths usually introduce much more latency than the MIDI signal delayed by the Bluetooth transmission. Since not every app has it, my dirty hack is to route the audio of the clock sender through a stereo digital delay.

  • SpookyZooSpookyZoo

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Kenton thru-5, powers the BT01 and you get 4 MIDI outputs. Only one way in this arrangement but ideal for some cases.

    Interesting. So for gear that can’t power the BT01, you hook up your midi controller into the input of Kenton, and then just one dongle of the BT01 into one of the outs, which then advertises and sends on the midi over BT?

    Have I got that right?

    Yep. The Kenton MIDI thru is a brilliant bit of kit. My biggest reservation on the setup is timing over Bluetooth. There's a glitch changing across apps say going from AUM to AB3 or Patterning 2. Drives me nuts, then trying to sync external sequencers to sequencers running in iPad, I tend to go one or the other. Stay in one app. I'm tempted to get a USB hub and go wired. Might just be the nature of MIDI clock on iPad though.

    Yep, I have both the Kenton and MDBT01s, and they each get a ton of use.

    I've not had any gear incompatible with the MDBT01s yet, but this is a good workaround to be aware of.

    Cheers.

  • SpartanClownTideSpartanClownTide

    @rs2000 said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Kenton thru-5, powers the BT01 and you get 4 MIDI outputs. Only one way in this arrangement but ideal for some cases.

    Interesting. So for gear that can’t power the BT01, you hook up your midi controller into the input of Kenton, and then just one dongle of the BT01 into one of the outs, which then advertises and sends on the midi over BT?

    Have I got that right?

    Yep. The Kenton MIDI thru is a brilliant bit of kit. My biggest reservation on the setup is timing over Bluetooth. There's a glitch changing across apps say going from AUM to AB3 or Patterning 2. Drives me nuts, then trying to sync external sequencers to sequencers running in iPad, I tend to go one or the other. Stay in one app. I'm tempted to get a USB hub and go wired. Might just be the nature of MIDI clock on iPad though.

    App switching while trying to stay in sync might be the biggest possible challenge indeed.
    Other than that, uncorrected audio buffer lengths usually introduce much more latency than the MIDI signal delayed by the Bluetooth transmission. Since not every app has it, my dirty hack is to route the audio of the clock sender through a stereo digital delay.

    Haha solved that little problem. Ooh so convoluted, tried every possible combo of Link, MIDI, IAA, delay this, delay that, this app, that app, aargh. And my solution was.. Screw it. 1 Drambo, 1 Gate sequencer, Out to a separate bus on the (hardware) mixer to the aux out (sacrifice had to be made). Aux to sync. Job done. I've know idea how but to me the timing seems bang on. The external stuff (Korg, I'm not rich) comes through AUM and plays in sync with Drambo. MIDI to hardware is indispensable for some duties but for me anything to do with clock is a no go.

  • SpartanClownTideSpartanClownTide

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Kenton thru-5, powers the BT01 and you get 4 MIDI outputs. Only one way in this arrangement but ideal for some cases.

    Interesting. So for gear that can’t power the BT01, you hook up your midi controller into the input of Kenton, and then just one dongle of the BT01 into one of the outs, which then advertises and sends on the midi over BT?

    Have I got that right?

    Yep. The Kenton MIDI thru is a brilliant bit of kit. My biggest reservation on the setup is timing over Bluetooth. There's a glitch changing across apps say going from AUM to AB3 or Patterning 2. Drives me nuts, then trying to sync external sequencers to sequencers running in iPad, I tend to go one or the other. Stay in one app. I'm tempted to get a USB hub and go wired. Might just be the nature of MIDI clock on iPad though.

    Yep, I have both the Kenton and MDBT01s, and they each get a ton of use.

    I've not had any gear incompatible with the MDBT01s yet, but this is a good workaround to be aware of.

    Cheers.

    I think the deal with the MD-BT01 is don't try and throw too much through it at once. Otherwise it's a very elegant solution. I'm sure I heard they don't do well with MPE, not surprising.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Kenton thru-5, powers the BT01 and you get 4 MIDI outputs. Only one way in this arrangement but ideal for some cases.

    Interesting. So for gear that can’t power the BT01, you hook up your midi controller into the input of Kenton, and then just one dongle of the BT01 into one of the outs, which then advertises and sends on the midi over BT?

    Have I got that right?

    Yep. The Kenton MIDI thru is a brilliant bit of kit. My biggest reservation on the setup is timing over Bluetooth. There's a glitch changing across apps say going from AUM to AB3 or Patterning 2. Drives me nuts, then trying to sync external sequencers to sequencers running in iPad, I tend to go one or the other. Stay in one app. I'm tempted to get a USB hub and go wired. Might just be the nature of MIDI clock on iPad though.

    Yep, I have both the Kenton and MDBT01s, and they each get a ton of use.

    I've not had any gear incompatible with the MDBT01s yet, but this is a good workaround to be aware of.

    Cheers.

    I think the deal with the MD-BT01 is don't try and throw too much through it at once. Otherwise it's a very elegant solution. I'm sure I heard they don't do well with MPE, not surprising.

    Good point, the MIDI data rate of purely MIDI-powered Bluetooth dongles is rather limited.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    Roland have released a couple of Wireless Midi devices WM-1 and WM-1D looks like they’d work with non powered midi ports and the work from device to device as well.

  • steve99steve99
    edited September 2020

    @knewspeak said:
    Roland have released a couple of Wireless Midi devices WM-1 and WM-1D looks like they’d work with non powered midi ports and the work from device to device as well.

    Looks like they’ve upset CME just a little bit...

    https://www.cme-pro.com/tag/Bluetooth-midi/

    I like the CME WIDI master because you can split the two parts if you don’t need to send midi back to your device. The battery in the Roland is good for devices that don’t send power over midi (like the Melo audio mp-100 foot controller), but I wish I could just buy one half and not have the other one dangling around.

    Also, before anyone gets too excited, the WM-1D is a usb dongle for PC, sadly not a potential Usb replacement for the discontinued Yamaha UD-BT01. CME have a USB midi one in the pipeline.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @steve99 said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Roland have released a couple of Wireless Midi devices WM-1 and WM-1D looks like they’d work with non powered midi ports and the work from device to device as well.

    Looks like they’ve upset CME just a little bit...

    https://www.cme-pro.com/tag/Bluetooth-midi/

    I like the CME WIDI master because you can split the two parts if you don’t need to send midi back to your device. The battery in the Roland is good for devices that don’t send power over midi (like the Melo audio mp-100 foot controller), but I wish I could just buy one half and not have the other one dangling around.

    Also, before anyone gets too excited, the WM-1D is a usb dongle for PC, sadly not a potential Usb replacement for the discontinued Yamaha UD-BT01. CME have a USB midi one in the pipeline.

    The Roland 5pin device looks big and clunky even more so than the Yamaha BT because of the battery.

  • auxmuxauxmux

    Yeah, the Roland devices are huge and more expensive than Yamahas. But glad to see more of these devices around. Super handy, dig my CME and Yamahas.

  • paulmonpaulmon

    Hi Everyone, I’m new to the forum and interested in this subject.

    I hope you don’t mind me bringing this tread back to life again. I am trying to connect two keyboards using 2 Yamaha MD-BT01. I’m using a Yamaha modx8 and a Ketron audya and using an app called forescore on an iPad to control patches on both boards. The Yamaha connected perfectly first time but the Ketron Audya won’t even power on theMD-BT0. I checked the power on the Din on the audya and it has the 5v. Can’t see why it won’t work. I also tried it in an older Ketron XD9 and of course it works perfectly. Any help explaining to me why it won’t work even when it has the 5 v present on the MIDI out din and tru ports.
    Also tried the MD-BT01 on a Nord grand and Nord electro 6D and all works ok.

    Cheers Paul

  • mojozartmojozart

    My idea is to check the CME WIDI compatibility matrix, linked on this page

    https://www.cme-pro.com/widi-which-device-will-you-connect/

    It lists some Ketron that work with WIDI Master, however Audya is not listed explicitly.

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