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Beatmaker 3 vs Modstep
Hello ,
is there a major reason for getting BM3 ? Today it is at 40€ and I don't want to waste money.
I already have Modstep .
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i'd be very interested to hear what people think on this. i've got bm3 but i'm thinking about getting modstep. bm3 sampler is really good but the sequencer imho is pants. no copy n paste for midi and notes from an external controller seem to be quantised to 16ths. external audio release and effect tails are cut off when pads are muted. sync's off too. seems like they're work hard at refining stuff over on the intua forum tho.
I suppose "hype" have passed through for having at this time a better opinion for one or the other...
About the sampler in BM3 I am used with reslice from virsyn within Modstep as Au ? I suppose that reslice is quite useless with BM3 ?
thanx @d4dOug. I have also done some "experiments" with Krft. I thought the synth within Krft is better than the synth within MS, in particular with the modulation and morph capabilities, that I do not find with MS...
I think that modulation within MS is quite frustating. I use Modstep for Au hosting and I am somehow a new user with IOS music production. I have also Gadget but I don't like his ergonomy.
Apples to oranges imo
Modstep is hands down the best midi sequencer on iOS while BM3 is a full fledged DAW. I use the 2 of them together because sketching midi is so much faster in Modstep. I love the sampler in BM3 though and i appreciate how cpu efficient it is to sample the synths instead of running them all at once as AUs
I guess it depends on if you need all the additional features of BM3
BM3 is superior to ModStep. ModStep doesn't have panning on the mixer and the sampler is mediocre compared to the versatile sampler on BM3. I highly recommend BM3.
For MIDI, Modstep is way ahead (who uses Modsteps Mixer? AUM or hardware!). BM 3 is generally a more fully featured, versatile and creatively rewarding platform, but Modstep is wicked good at MIDI sequencing..
Does Modstep support different time signatures? I have a tune that's 4/4 in the verse and 7/4 in the chorus. I need to figure out in what app I'm gonna build that out in (everything ends up I Auria for me). So my choices are modstep, BM3, Cubasis, or Gadget.
I sequence Bm3 via modstep. Don't understand this versus business. I use both. Modstep is the superior midi sequencer. Whatever it lacks can be replaced with Aum or Bm3. Bm3 is better for automation. Just import the midi into Bm3 and do automation later. And if you need au automation from modstep just host the Au in Aum and send midi from modstep to automate the parameters.
Yeah, Modstep is the better midi sequencer, BM3 is the best sampler/hybrid. I don't think you'll ever get one app beats all for everything on iOS. It's finding the best combo/ workflow for you.
To my ear the synth in krft sounds like an old style rompler with no real synthesis going on under the hood. The one in MS seem a bit more 'real' but still a bit weak. Gadget in terms of synth sounds comes on top IMO but if you don't like the sequencer then it is no use it unless you learned to like it?
I personally think it is the best and the most stable on iOS. The audio part is weak but MS doesn't have it at all.
@supadom . Thx for your advice about Gadget. I keep it but I am a bit frustated with the conception of a song and the sequencer... Maybe I have some problems with tactil... I was used to work with a mouse for a couple of years in a more classical way...
I don't know a lot about the sampler; if It looks like Simpler from Ableton Live, it will interest me... I was used for a time with Live and Push... Sorry for my english... 
About Krft more than the synth himself I was much impressed by the easy way to modulate parameters with the morph objects, and the ability to make a pattern alive... always morphing. Modulate is quite brillant for generative music process... I like random generators... as Ripplemaker can do with the noise generator for example...
About MS I was first disappointed by the interface which is not very clear I think. Despite that I have learned it, but I think that the elements of the interface is too tiny and sometimes too close. The selection is not very accurate I think. I am looking for modulation abilities as Krft, Au hosting as MS, and easy processing for midi edition, selection... Maybe there is not THE App...
I would agree that
MS is by far a better Midi sequencer
BM3 lets you record AU automation FROM THE AU (thats futuristic stuff for iOS)
MS doesnt have undo which is painful
If I could only have one it would be a difficult choice for me.
If they where the same price I would choose BM3 because I believe it can do almost everything MS can. I love MS though and cant imagine putting together ideas so quickly (in Midi) with any other app.
Yes, watch all the YT videos you can, before deciding, is best.
Sounds like most of the ground has been covered.
Side note: hosting Egoist in BM3 and taking advantage of it's transient detection (and fx) capabilities to record 'grid slicing friendly' sequences into BM3 is a nice workflow for now, until they get transient detection in BM3.
BM3 is the future. Once they resolve a few growing pain issues it will be one of those apps you will wonder how you ever got on without it.
When I look back and see how long modstep took to evolve, it pl asked me to see how quick Intua has been to release updates to their great kit.
Coming from Ableton on the desktop Beatmaker 3 and Gadget instantly make sense to my workflow on iOS.
To be honest Bm3 lacks a lot when it comes to midi processing. Specially since I come from ableton the lack of sending midi from one lane to another for processing is jarring. Modstep's ability to feedback into itself via ab3 and even duplicating lanes is actually closer to my ableton shennaigans than Bm3. Atleast for now modstep+Bm3 is as close to ableton as I can get. I use a ton of max4live addons on my desktop so even zmors is required to get some of my workflow on iOS.
@gonekrazy3000 Im sure Im not the only one here keen to hear the details of your workflow. Max is a bit beyond me (both budget and knowledge) but Id like to know why you needed to use zmors.
to rebuild my melodic euclidean sequencer of course. you can even download it and see a video here:- https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/18552/euclidean-melodic-sequencer-built-in-zmors-modular-downloadable-patch-now-with-video-tutorial#latest
the ableton version is 100X more complex but the zmors sequencer is decent. if only i could get the per pattern offset that @brambos implemented in ruismaker into the zmors patch i'd be in heaven. ( or if @brambos gave me my clock divider per lane). its the one thing i really miss from my reaktor+ ableton experiments.
Well I got BM3 on launch day, so the $20 price tag definitely was more attractive , but I get a lot more done in BM3 vs Modstep. Im still to figure out why the metronome in Modstep has to be so LOUD, lol.
Hello again,
I have seen some videos on YT and the sampler seems also great for creating his own synth with wavetables. If I clearly understood we can add multiple layers for one instance... ???
Yes. And different FX on each layer as well.
It's not designed to be a synth, but can be used that way. For me it's more fun / educational than practical, but still has yielded some nice results.
You can sequence Gadget from Modstep or KRFT.
Fair enough. Don't get me wrong. I love modstep. I'm just liking the sampling capabilities of BM3. And I really love the fact that I can play pads locked to Scales the way I do on my Push2. It really aids in flow. It's really changing the way i compose tracks.
I just feel like BM3 allows me to stretch my wings a bit more by being able to route everything through it...AUs, Sampling and the WIP Midi functionality.
As others have said, midi sequencing in Modstep is it's own very unique thing. Nothing like it IMO. That said, I'm getting on much better with BM3 than with Modstep I think in part because I'm using Modstep as a big ol' multitrack sampler. Going immediately to audio and then manipulating sampled audio. I seem to be more productive with this flow than with a flow based mainly on MIDI sequencing.
In my case I already have push2 style scales with my launcpad pro. So even if the feature was missing in Bm3 it didn't matter for me lol. Been using it on iOS for almost a year.
Finally I bought BM3.. (hé hé hé... le petit vilain). No... I read with attention your comments, saw some vids, check older discussions also and I suppose I have done a good choice. thanx for the discussion and all your comments. I have to work on it now! Cheers.
It's a nice piece of kit. Needs some work. But for a 1.0 rewrite it's very capable once you understand it...like any other DAW.
Doesn't Bm3 have a free play sequencer mode vs MS which is all step time on a grid?
What happened to the 'undo' button in Modstep?