BM3: (F_CK YEAH!) Post Upgrade Review!

AndyPlankton

@OscarSouth said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@tja said:
Hehe, like me ;-)

I wait for "MIDI is great now" postings

Brothers in arms

Some people are going to complain about MIDI to the end of time, meanwhile other people are busy doing great things with it. That’s my take on that one. I had lots of MIDI hang ups in earlier days of working with BM3, all of which I found were solved by learning to use the program more deeply and effectively.

That's good to hear....but basic question, are you able to succesfully record MIDI from and sequence external synths , and send MIDI Clock to keep the synth based arps and LFO's in sync (either by fair method or foul )
That's pretty much all I want to do with MIDI

AudioGus

@AndyPlankton said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@AudioGus said:
Gotta say the new slicer update is truly fantastic. So much easier to select slice ranges now. I used it for around three hours yesterday, sampling/chopping, playing, sequencing, not a single crash or problem. So many of the initial problems are gone, windows open as they were last left, proper pads and banks are selected when you hop around screens. The quality of workflow is now night and day from the initial release.

The prophecy has been fulfilled. This app is amazing.

I am encouraged to dip my quill Vicar, thank you.

Is it time to dive into the BM3 pool for someone who uses mainly hardware synths, full length audio tracks for guitars, and triggered samples for Vox, wanting both looped parts and full length MIDI/Audio Tracks (for recording/soloing) ?

I've held off, sitting in the corner, listening to the 'it's great' / 'it's not ready' tug of war...patiently waiting for the consensus to settle on it's great.

I ignore audio tracks and just use the sampler for recording external hardware and vsts off of desktop, minutes at a time, ignoring midi internally. I offload midi to other Linked apps and commit to audio very early, more or less right away. Once I started to simply address organisation of how I rename banks and pads to reflect things like key changes etc things really clicked.

It certainly gives iOS a genuine place in my process now that does not feel like a compromise to the final result and actually replaces and improves upon a lot of the PC daw workflow that I had. If I really wanted polish I would still finish these tracks off in a pc daw, largely because mixing with multiple screens is generally so much more efficient and of course CPU needs. Anyway, with BM3 I find the creative slicing, chopping, rearranging, collage-ing of audio is now just as enjoyable and spontaneous for me as the mouse and keyboard spreadsheet approach of a PC daw timeline that I had. In time with practice I feel it will become even moreso.

As a stellar, league of it's own iOS app it really raises the bar way beyond all others in so many ways that I just don't see anybody making anything comparable for a very very long time (particularly in the 'sampler' audio chopping world) so I am more likely to just stay here and spend time un-distracted by other apps and workflows. I'm done app chasing.

JohnnyGoodyear

@AudioGus said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@AudioGus said:
Gotta say the new slicer update is truly fantastic. So much easier to select slice ranges now. I used it for around three hours yesterday, sampling/chopping, playing, sequencing, not a single crash or problem. So many of the initial problems are gone, windows open as they were last left, proper pads and banks are selected when you hop around screens. The quality of workflow is now night and day from the initial release.

The prophecy has been fulfilled. This app is amazing.

I am encouraged to dip my quill Vicar, thank you.

Is it time to dive into the BM3 pool for someone who uses mainly hardware synths, full length audio tracks for guitars, and triggered samples for Vox, wanting both looped parts and full length MIDI/Audio Tracks (for recording/soloing) ?

I've held off, sitting in the corner, listening to the 'it's great' / 'it's not ready' tug of war...patiently waiting for the consensus to settle on it's great.

I ignore audio tracks and just use the sampler for recording external hardware and vsts off of desktop, minutes at a time, ignoring midi internally. I offload midi to other Linked apps and commit to audio very early, more or less right away. Once I started to simply address organisation of how I rename banks and pads to reflect things like key changes etc things really clicked.

It certainly gives iOS a genuine place in my process now that does not feel like a compromise to the final result and actually replaces and improves upon a lot of the PC daw workflow that I had. If I really wanted polish I would still finish these tracks off in a pc daw, largely because mixing with multiple screens is generally so much more efficient and of course CPU needs. Anyway, with BM3 I find the creative slicing, chopping, rearranging, collage-ing of audio is now just as enjoyable and spontaneous for me as the mouse and keyboard spreadsheet approach of a PC daw timeline that I had. In time with practice I feel it will become even moreso.

As a stellar, league of it's own iOS app it really raises the bar way beyond all others in so many ways that I just don't see anybody making anything comparable for a very very long time (particularly in the 'sampler' audio chopping world) so I am more likely to just stay here and spend time un-distracted by other apps and workflows. I'm done app chasing.

Marriage. Eventually. If you're lucky.

OscarSouth

@AndyPlankton said:

@OscarSouth said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@tja said:
Hehe, like me ;-)

I wait for "MIDI is great now" postings

Brothers in arms

Some people are going to complain about MIDI to the end of time, meanwhile other people are busy doing great things with it. That’s my take on that one. I had lots of MIDI hang ups in earlier days of working with BM3, all of which I found were solved by learning to use the program more deeply and effectively.

That's good to hear....but basic question, are you able to succesfully record MIDI from and sequence external synths , and send MIDI Clock to keep the synth based arps and LFO's in sync (either by fair method or foul )
That's pretty much all I want to do with MIDI

I sync my second device through iCA4+ cable (I don’t rely on wireless networks live) using MIDI Link sync on both devices, BM3 device sending master clock. The second device hosts a few different sequencers (sending MIDI to BM3) and effects in AB3 as well a few different sound sources in AUM (some of which listening to BM3). Everything keeps a rock solid sync with BM3’s clock/timeline and when I press record in BM3, 100% of MIDI/Sound happening (the whole lot) is recorded to BM3’s timeline in multi track (most of which being in MIDI so that it’s editable). If I was to press play it would play back 100% identally as how it was performed. Also, I have full MIDI control o BM3’s mixer as I’m running everything inside a single bank! Woohoo!

Bonus: you can offset the timing of the second device forward or backward for groove minutia, using MIDI Link Sync.

AndyPlankton

@AudioGus said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@AudioGus said:
Gotta say the new slicer update is truly fantastic. So much easier to select slice ranges now. I used it for around three hours yesterday, sampling/chopping, playing, sequencing, not a single crash or problem. So many of the initial problems are gone, windows open as they were last left, proper pads and banks are selected when you hop around screens. The quality of workflow is now night and day from the initial release.

The prophecy has been fulfilled. This app is amazing.

I am encouraged to dip my quill Vicar, thank you.

Is it time to dive into the BM3 pool for someone who uses mainly hardware synths, full length audio tracks for guitars, and triggered samples for Vox, wanting both looped parts and full length MIDI/Audio Tracks (for recording/soloing) ?

I've held off, sitting in the corner, listening to the 'it's great' / 'it's not ready' tug of war...patiently waiting for the consensus to settle on it's great.

I ignore audio tracks and just use the sampler for recording external hardware and vsts off of desktop, minutes at a time, ignoring midi internally. I offload midi to other Linked apps and commit to audio very early, more or less right away. Once I started to simply address organisation of how I rename banks and pads to reflect things like key changes etc things really clicked.

It certainly gives iOS a genuine place in my process now that does not feel like a compromise to the final result and actually replaces and improves upon a lot of the PC daw workflow that I had. If I really wanted polish I would still finish these tracks off in a pc daw, largely because mixing with multiple screens is generally so much more efficient and of course CPU needs. Anyway, with BM3 I find the creative slicing, chopping, rearranging, collage-ing of audio is now just as enjoyable and spontaneous for me as the mouse and keyboard spreadsheet approach of a PC daw timeline that I had. In time with practice I feel it will become even moreso.

As a stellar, league of it's own iOS app it really raises the bar way beyond all others in so many ways that I just don't see anybody making anything comparable for a very very long time (particularly in the 'sampler' audio chopping world) so I am more likely to just stay here and spend time un-distracted by other apps and workflows. I'm done app chasing.

High praise... Encouraging to hear....

AndyPlankton

@OscarSouth said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@OscarSouth said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@tja said:
Hehe, like me ;-)

I wait for "MIDI is great now" postings

Brothers in arms

Some people are going to complain about MIDI to the end of time, meanwhile other people are busy doing great things with it. That’s my take on that one. I had lots of MIDI hang ups in earlier days of working with BM3, all of which I found were solved by learning to use the program more deeply and effectively.

That's good to hear....but basic question, are you able to succesfully record MIDI from and sequence external synths , and send MIDI Clock to keep the synth based arps and LFO's in sync (either by fair method or foul )
That's pretty much all I want to do with MIDI

I sync my second device through iCA4+ cable (I don’t rely on wireless networks live) using MIDI Link sync on both devices, BM3 device sending master clock. The second device hosts a few different sequencers (sending MIDI to BM3) and effects in AB3 as well a few different sound sources in AUM (some of which listening to BM3). Everything keeps a rock solid sync with BM3’s clock/timeline and when I press record in BM3, 100% of MIDI/Sound happening (the whole lot) is recorded to BM3’s timeline in multi track (most of which being in MIDI so that it’s editable). If I was to press play it would play back 100% identally as how it was performed. Also, I have full MIDI control o BM3’s mixer as I’m running everything inside a single bank! Woohoo!

Bonus: you can offset the timing of the second device forward or backward for groove minutia, using MIDI Link Sync.

Sounds good enough for my purposes

What is the install size for BM3, does it come with loads of in-built sampled content, and can I remove that content ?

OscarSouth

@AndyPlankton said:

@OscarSouth said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@OscarSouth said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@tja said:
Hehe, like me ;-)

I wait for "MIDI is great now" postings

Brothers in arms

Some people are going to complain about MIDI to the end of time, meanwhile other people are busy doing great things with it. That’s my take on that one. I had lots of MIDI hang ups in earlier days of working with BM3, all of which I found were solved by learning to use the program more deeply and effectively.

That's good to hear....but basic question, are you able to succesfully record MIDI from and sequence external synths , and send MIDI Clock to keep the synth based arps and LFO's in sync (either by fair method or foul )
That's pretty much all I want to do with MIDI

I sync my second device through iCA4+ cable (I don’t rely on wireless networks live) using MIDI Link sync on both devices, BM3 device sending master clock. The second device hosts a few different sequencers (sending MIDI to BM3) and effects in AB3 as well a few different sound sources in AUM (some of which listening to BM3). Everything keeps a rock solid sync with BM3’s clock/timeline and when I press record in BM3, 100% of MIDI/Sound happening (the whole lot) is recorded to BM3’s timeline in multi track (most of which being in MIDI so that it’s editable). If I was to press play it would play back 100% identally as how it was performed. Also, I have full MIDI control o BM3’s mixer as I’m running everything inside a single bank! Woohoo!

Bonus: you can offset the timing of the second device forward or backward for groove minutia, using MIDI Link Sync.

Sounds good enough for my purposes

What is the install size for BM3, does it come with loads of in-built sampled content, and can I remove that content ?

I’m not saying it’s easy to do, took me ages to figure out how to get it working to my tastes, but I’m happy with what I’m getting from it now and it’s reliable.

My battery is about to die so I’ll leave the other questions for others!

AndyPlankton

@OscarSouth said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@OscarSouth said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@OscarSouth said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@tja said:
Hehe, like me ;-)

I wait for "MIDI is great now" postings

Brothers in arms

Some people are going to complain about MIDI to the end of time, meanwhile other people are busy doing great things with it. That’s my take on that one. I had lots of MIDI hang ups in earlier days of working with BM3, all of which I found were solved by learning to use the program more deeply and effectively.

That's good to hear....but basic question, are you able to succesfully record MIDI from and sequence external synths , and send MIDI Clock to keep the synth based arps and LFO's in sync (either by fair method or foul )
That's pretty much all I want to do with MIDI

I sync my second device through iCA4+ cable (I don’t rely on wireless networks live) using MIDI Link sync on both devices, BM3 device sending master clock. The second device hosts a few different sequencers (sending MIDI to BM3) and effects in AB3 as well a few different sound sources in AUM (some of which listening to BM3). Everything keeps a rock solid sync with BM3’s clock/timeline and when I press record in BM3, 100% of MIDI/Sound happening (the whole lot) is recorded to BM3’s timeline in multi track (most of which being in MIDI so that it’s editable). If I was to press play it would play back 100% identally as how it was performed. Also, I have full MIDI control o BM3’s mixer as I’m running everything inside a single bank! Woohoo!

Bonus: you can offset the timing of the second device forward or backward for groove minutia, using MIDI Link Sync.

Sounds good enough for my purposes

What is the install size for BM3, does it come with loads of in-built sampled content, and can I remove that content ?

I’m not saying it’s easy to do, took me ages to figure out how to get it working to my tastes, but I’m happy with what I’m getting from it now and it’s reliable.

My battery is about to die so I’ll leave the other questions for others!

Cheers dude

JohnnyGoodyear

@OscarSouth said:

My battery is about to die so I’ll leave the other questions for others!

Could swear this is the modern man's version of sorry, but there's someone at the door...

wim

@AndyPlankton said:
What is the install size for BM3, does it come with loads of in-built sampled content, and can I remove that content ?

121.2MB (which you can find in the app-store information)
There's a bit of built-in sample content, plus some free iAPs you can apply for more, but still modest.
Yes, you can remove anything (including removing things used in projects, so be careful)

Junebug

@wim said:
Touch the note, then put your finger anywhere on the vertical line extending from the right of the note. I find it easy, and like that your finger doesn't have to cover the note.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Somehow I missed this completely
so helpful!

JohnnyGoodyear

@Junebug said:

@wim said:
Touch the note, then put your finger anywhere on the vertical line extending from the right of the note. I find it easy, and like that your finger doesn't have to cover the note.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Somehow I missed this completely
so helpful!

Yeah. That was a killer. Took me from 'this piece of rubbish what the hell are they thinking?' to sitting in the corner and 'er....yeah, of course, nice...'

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iPhone version??

AndyPlankton

@wim said:

@AndyPlankton said:
What is the install size for BM3, does it come with loads of in-built sampled content, and can I remove that content ?

121.2MB (which you can find in the app-store information)
There's a bit of built-in sample content, plus some free iAPs you can apply for more, but still modest.
Yes, you can remove anything (including removing things used in projects, so be careful)

Thanks @wim, good to know content isn’t forced on you

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Samplemunch

@tja said:

@OscarSouth said:
I’m not saying it’s easy to do, took me ages to figure out how to get it working to my tastes, but I’m happy with what I’m getting from it now and it’s reliable.

Congrats on being able to do this.

But is it so hard for you to see that other don't want to spend all this time, and maybe even not as successfully as you?

I just wait for "fixed" MIDI In and Out and automation and everything, also fully AudioBus compatible and all this stuff.

I have no urge to use BM3, having lots of other Apps I like and need to learn more - but I would like those things to be added / fixed in BM3.

Currently I play around with Beathawk and Nanostudio, and always also in Cubasis.

The other program I did nearly nothing with, is Auria Pro.
But this is mostly because I plan to use it for mixing audio, in case I have something worth this ;-)
I would then buy some of the Fab Filter stuff.
Until then, AP will just sit and wait. Like BM3.

What is broken with the MIDI in and out ?

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Samplemunch

Ohhhhh, so you dont actually know, I understand now.

AudioGus

@Samplemunch said:

@tja said:

@OscarSouth said:
I’m not saying it’s easy to do, took me ages to figure out how to get it working to my tastes, but I’m happy with what I’m getting from it now and it’s reliable.

Congrats on being able to do this.

But is it so hard for you to see that other don't want to spend all this time, and maybe even not as successfully as you?

I just wait for "fixed" MIDI In and Out and automation and everything, also fully AudioBus compatible and all this stuff.

I have no urge to use BM3, having lots of other Apps I like and need to learn more - but I would like those things to be added / fixed in BM3.

Currently I play around with Beathawk and Nanostudio, and always also in Cubasis.

The other program I did nearly nothing with, is Auria Pro.
But this is mostly because I plan to use it for mixing audio, in case I have something worth this ;-)
I would then buy some of the Fab Filter stuff.
Until then, AP will just sit and wait. Like BM3.

What is broken with the MIDI in and out ?

For one, I can send midi from external apps to trigger BM3 pads but not to an AU that lives on a pad. (if you haven't used BM3 that may sound like gobbelygook)

Samplemunch

Really, that is strange, I use Navichord to trigger AUs on a pad all the time, are you on the latest version of BM3, maybe it was fixed in version 3.0.3 ?

AudioGus

@Samplemunch said:
Really, that is strange, I use Navichord to trigger AUs on a pad all the time, are you on the latest version of BM3, maybe it was fixed in version 3.0.3 ?

Ahhh, just tried again and yes I could do it, sending Chordflow into a BM3 AU on a pad. But now I recalled more specficly the issue I was having before which was sending Chordflow > AB3 > BM3 which I could not get working. This may actually be an AB3 thing and not BM3. Well maybe it has to do with BM3s AB3 implimentation. Anyway, if BM3 had transposing of AUs or midi input I would not have needed AB3 at the time. Doesn't really matter too much now though as I am only interested in just sampling vsts anyway.

wim

@AudioGus said:

@Samplemunch said:
Really, that is strange, I use Navichord to trigger AUs on a pad all the time, are you on the latest version of BM3, maybe it was fixed in version 3.0.3 ?

Ahhh, just tried again and yes I could do it, sending Chordflow into a BM3 AU on a pad. But now I recalled more specficly the issue I was having before which was sending Chordflow > AB3 > BM3 which I could not get working. This may actually be an AB3 thing and not BM3. Well maybe it has to do with BM3s AB3 implimentation. Anyway, if BM3 had transposing of AUs or midi input I would not have needed AB3 at the time. Doesn't really matter too much now though as I am only interested in just sampling vsts anyway.

BM3 does not work in the MIDI tab (it is not AB3 MIDI compatible). However, it can be used with AB3 if you load it in an Audio slot and use the Midiflow adapter to send MIDI to it via core MIDI.

The same can be said for many, many other apps as well.

ElGregoLoco

BM3 is now almost perfect for me... I am able to produce full tracks with no crashs and a lot of ease and new possibilities... Simply loving it like I rarely loved a music software or instrument.
But I have a major issue with the rendering/export feature as the resulting sound file does not sound exactly the same as when I work on / play the track directly within BM3... The exported file seems to be rendered with a slightly slower playing of my automatic stretch slices, which makes the result less smooth and flawing, more cutted... This is really annoying I have to admit.
But I still have to try it I can output BM3 in Audioshare (via AB3 maybe) so that I can record what I really hear while playing...

Michael_R_Grant

They haven't allowed us to see/write in MIDI per 'pad' yet in a single track, right? That's my one gripe with the current system. That and they still haven't reintroduced the slice by transient system.

AndyPlankton

OK I'm confused now.....Are MIDI issues related to only App to App MIDI using AB3 ? I am wanting to use MIDI with hardware (HW -> BM3 -> HW) so this doesn't overly concern me.

@Michael_R_Grant Can you expand on the MIDI per pad thing ? I have not yet bought BM3 so am unfamiliar with the workflow as yet.

lukesleepwalker

@Michael_R_Grant said:
They haven't allowed us to see/write in MIDI per 'pad' yet in a single track, right? That's my one gripe with the current system. That and they still haven't reintroduced the slice by transient system.

I may not be understanding you but this is not true. You can see/write MIDI in the piano roll in a pad but you have to choose to go into the piano roll (it's not the default you land in when you choose pattern).

cian

I find the best way to approach this app is playfully. Leave your preconceptions behind, and just explore it.

lukesleepwalker

@cian said:
I find the best way to approach this app is playfully. Leave your preconceptions behind, and just explore it.

By explore, do you mean fumble around awkwardly?

[Deleted User]

Yes. Exactly. That’s what I’m doing and with the AudioDabbler’s tutorial vids, man this baby is getting sweeter to work with.

@lukesleepwalker said:

@cian said:
I find the best way to approach this app is playfully. Leave your preconceptions behind, and just explore it.

By explore, do you mean fumble around awkwardly?

sbcfx

@lukesleepwalker said:

@cian said:
I find the best way to approach this app is playfully. Leave your preconceptions behind, and just explore it.

By explore, do you mean fumble around awkwardly?

Lol that's me