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Best IOS solutions (DAW) for reliable Midi Clock?

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  • brambosbrambos

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @brambos said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    OK so I found this video of a a volca synced to tape

    So looks like the SQ1 would definitely do the job....use that instead of the volca....and then connect the MIDI Out to the circuit. :)
    So question, or assumption,,,,the pulse sync must be audible range (20-20,000 khz) in order for it to be recordable on the audio track ?
    That being the case, is it possible to sequence the pulse instead of striping a track ? and what type of sound does it need....(or is this the part of the puzzle that the KLIK would perform) I'm thinking of the Zoom R24 here, as it has sequencer tracks (this would help a lot as I wouldn't need to know up front how long my tune was going to be)

    Rimshots are the classic pulse sound. Or if you like a WAV I probably still have the one I sampled from my Monotribe when I wanted to sync it with my ESX1SD.

    I think I have with your help convinced myself to get the R24 :) What frequency does the pulse need to run at...per beat? per 16th ?

    Off the tpo of my head every quarter note, or every eighth... I forget. Either way, it's something low-res any sequencer can easily do.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @brambos said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @brambos said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    OK so I found this video of a a volca synced to tape

    So looks like the SQ1 would definitely do the job....use that instead of the volca....and then connect the MIDI Out to the circuit. :)
    So question, or assumption,,,,the pulse sync must be audible range (20-20,000 khz) in order for it to be recordable on the audio track ?
    That being the case, is it possible to sequence the pulse instead of striping a track ? and what type of sound does it need....(or is this the part of the puzzle that the KLIK would perform) I'm thinking of the Zoom R24 here, as it has sequencer tracks (this would help a lot as I wouldn't need to know up front how long my tune was going to be)

    Rimshots are the classic pulse sound. Or if you like a WAV I probably still have the one I sampled from my Monotribe when I wanted to sync it with my ESX1SD.

    I think I have with your help convinced myself to get the R24 :) What frequency does the pulse need to run at...per beat? per 16th ?

    Off the tpo of my head every quarter note, or every eighth... I forget. Either way, it's something low-res any sequencer can easily do.

    I can handle that :) thank you very much for your help with this ....

    I know what is going to come next though, once I have an R24 and SQ-1......

    I'm gonna need something to plug into those CV and gate outs....just to prevent dust getting in you understand :D

  • cblomertcblomert

    i think it's eighths as well

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @brambos said:
    Off the top of my head every quarter note, or every eighth

    @cblomert said:
    i think it's eighths as well

    Just found this article https://studiointrovert.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/how-to-sync-volcas-to-midi-clock/
    Seems it is indeed 8th's for volca's, I assume the SQ-1 would be the same.

  • WillWill

    @AndyPlankton said:
    I think I have with your help convinced myself to get the R24 :) What frequency does the pulse need to run at...per beat? per 16th ?

    That's actually the fun of analog clocks—you can run it at any frequency you want. One will make 16ths=16ths in whatever meter your in but then you can clock divide/double as you see fit.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @syrupcore said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    I think I have with your help convinced myself to get the R24 :) What frequency does the pulse need to run at...per beat? per 16th ?

    That's actually the fun of analog clocks—you can run it at any frequency you want. One will make 16ths=16ths in whatever meter your in but then you can clock divide/double as you see fit.

    Ahhh...now that would be super useful.....one thing I would love to be able to do is run the Circuit at half speed so i can do a proper 1 drop with it, or get double length 8th patterns :)

    At the moment I am...BUY BUY BUY.....but at nearly £500 for the two (R24 and SQ-1) I need to be sure its the right thing first :)

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton
    edited September 2017

    @syrupcore said:
    Shame the R24 doesn't have an extra output. Could just use the drum machine on there to drive the clock. If you can route a track to the headphone outputs on there and keep it from the main outputs, you can do like the fella in the 4-track video did it without the SQ-1.

    I think I need the SQ-1 as Circuit needs MIDI clock in ? or could I just send the pulse to circuit ? I need to check that out.....so i'd essentially be using the SQ-1 as a type of FSK->MIDI Clock converter

    And check this ;)
    http://www.henkybacker.com/2011/10/the-hidden-output-of-the-zoom-r8-and-r24/

  • CrabmanCrabman
    edited September 2017

    @syrupcore said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    I think I have with your help convinced myself to get the R24 :) What frequency does the pulse need to run at...per beat? per 16th ?

    That's actually the fun of analog clocks—you can run it at any frequency you want. One will make 16ths=16ths in whatever meter your in but then you can clock divide/double as you see fit.

    it's a bummer that korg doesn't use the Roland style Trigger,it was so much fun to create polyrhythms on my old JX3P when feeding it with odd trigger values.But at least you can start/stop the korgs manually on a running clock so you can shift play arround with shifted melodies/rhythm.

  • Aud_iOSAud_iOS

    @AndyPlankton said:
    The Cubasis thing is a bug i think...when looping, the midi clock is not correct....the second beat after the loop point comes too soon, hence the drift. If you are not looping the MIDI Clock is fine.

    I am on a similar quest, but for a piece of hardware.....the multitrack recorders like the Zoom L12 and R24 have caught my eye as an alternative to getting a new iPad with more storage....if I used one of these devices I wouldn't need more space and getting one of those might be a better investment than a more expensive iPad....
    Seemingly though none of them support MIDI Clock.....seems like I would need to go back to striping MTC or SMPTE on an audio track.....but I cannot seem to find a sync unit.....
    I don't have Monologue....
    Any other suggestions for some way of syncing a multitrack with Midi Sequencer ?

    How 'bout a BeatStepPro? Then you can do all the CV/Gate/Clock stuff - with anything that'll connect, even DC-Coupled etc... just randomly spending some of your $

  • chris_fosterchris_foster

    @AndyPlankton said:
    I think I have with your help convinced myself to get the R24 :)

    Might pay to research the Problem with R24/16 clock generator

    Might not affect your use case, but I held off on a R24 purchase because of this potential issue with the clock crystal.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @chris_foster said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    I think I have with your help convinced myself to get the R24 :)

    Might pay to research the Problem with R24/16 clock generator

    Might not affect your use case, but I held off on a R24 purchase because of this potential issue with the clock crystal.

    Good shout....cheers Chris, I will look into it.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Aud_iOS said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    The Cubasis thing is a bug i think...when looping, the midi clock is not correct....the second beat after the loop point comes too soon, hence the drift. If you are not looping the MIDI Clock is fine.

    I am on a similar quest, but for a piece of hardware.....the multitrack recorders like the Zoom L12 and R24 have caught my eye as an alternative to getting a new iPad with more storage....if I used one of these devices I wouldn't need more space and getting one of those might be a better investment than a more expensive iPad....
    Seemingly though none of them support MIDI Clock.....seems like I would need to go back to striping MTC or SMPTE on an audio track.....but I cannot seem to find a sync unit.....
    I don't have Monologue....
    Any other suggestions for some way of syncing a multitrack with Midi Sequencer ?

    How 'bout a BeatStepPro? Then you can do all the CV/Gate/Clock stuff - with anything that'll connect, even DC-Coupled etc... just randomly spending some of your $

    It's only really the clock I'm interested in. I'll be aiming for the cheapest reliable solution. BSP is now on the list for consideration. :)

  • Aud_iOSAud_iOS

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Aud_iOS said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    The Cubasis thing is a bug i think...when looping, the midi clock is not correct....the second beat after the loop point comes too soon, hence the drift. If you are not looping the MIDI Clock is fine.

    I am on a similar quest, but for a piece of hardware.....the multitrack recorders like the Zoom L12 and R24 have caught my eye as an alternative to getting a new iPad with more storage....if I used one of these devices I wouldn't need more space and getting one of those might be a better investment than a more expensive iPad....
    Seemingly though none of them support MIDI Clock.....seems like I would need to go back to striping MTC or SMPTE on an audio track.....but I cannot seem to find a sync unit.....
    I don't have Monologue....
    Any other suggestions for some way of syncing a multitrack with Midi Sequencer ?

    How 'bout a BeatStepPro? Then you can do all the CV/Gate/Clock stuff - with anything that'll connect, even DC-Coupled etc... just randomly spending some of your $

    It's only really the clock I'm interested in. I'll be aiming for the cheapest reliable solution. BSP is now on the list for consideration. :)

    I'd like to hear about the Roland Sync Box: https://roland.com/global/products/sbx-1/ Unfortunately, not as inexpensive!

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Aud_iOS said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Aud_iOS said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    The Cubasis thing is a bug i think...when looping, the midi clock is not correct....the second beat after the loop point comes too soon, hence the drift. If you are not looping the MIDI Clock is fine.

    I am on a similar quest, but for a piece of hardware.....the multitrack recorders like the Zoom L12 and R24 have caught my eye as an alternative to getting a new iPad with more storage....if I used one of these devices I wouldn't need more space and getting one of those might be a better investment than a more expensive iPad....
    Seemingly though none of them support MIDI Clock.....seems like I would need to go back to striping MTC or SMPTE on an audio track.....but I cannot seem to find a sync unit.....
    I don't have Monologue....
    Any other suggestions for some way of syncing a multitrack with Midi Sequencer ?

    How 'bout a BeatStepPro? Then you can do all the CV/Gate/Clock stuff - with anything that'll connect, even DC-Coupled etc... just randomly spending some of your $

    It's only really the clock I'm interested in. I'll be aiming for the cheapest reliable solution. BSP is now on the list for consideration. :)

    I'd like to hear about the Roland Sync Box: https://roland.com/global/products/sbx-1/ Unfortunately, not as inexpensive!

    Yeah, these things are either far too expensive or discontinued....I had one many years ago, cannot remember the manufacturer...for syncing MTC/SMPTE to my old Tascam 464 portastudio.

  • WillWill

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Shame the R24 doesn't have an extra output. Could just use the drum machine on there to drive the clock. If you can route a track to the headphone outputs on there and keep it from the main outputs, you can do like the fella in the 4-track video did it without the SQ-1.

    I think I need the SQ-1 as Circuit needs MIDI clock in ? or could I just send the pulse to circuit ? I need to check that out.....so i'd essentially be using the SQ-1 as a type of FSK->MIDI Clock

    My bad. I thought the Circuit had a clock input.

  • WillWill

    It's generally a bummer that all innovation in stand-alone multitracks seems to have died. I guess most stopped buying them in favor of computer daws. The final models from Roland, Yamaha and Korg were immensely powerful but slow as hell. And expensive at retail which I assume is part of the problem.

    We're basically down to tascam and zoom and they both leave me wanting. For midi, mostly. And//or multiple outs.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @syrupcore said:
    It's generally a bummer that all innovation in stand-alone multitracks seems to have died. I guess most stopped buying them in favor of computer daws. The final models from Roland, Yamaha and Korg were immensely powerful but slow as hell. And expensive at retail which I assume is part of the problem.

    We're basically down to tascam and zoom and they both leave me wanting. For midi, mostly. And//or multiple outs.

    Yeah this is what I'm coming up against.....just the MIDI sync alone would be a major plus for any of these devices...allowing integration into any setup whether it be DAW or sequenced....but instead they seem to want to be the interface for the DAW as opposed to 'joining in'..or even being the DAW....
    The previous versions of the tascam DP's had MIDI sync, but since they brought out the SD versions it's gone :|

    Although maybe not perfect...due to the reported clock issue (not sure this would be a major issue for pure music production as if I'm using the R24 as the clock, then any minor drift would be workable) + SQ-1 does seem to be the affordable answer at the moment.

    I'm going to take time to ponder....

  • Aud_iOSAud_iOS

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @syrupcore said:
    It's generally a bummer that all innovation in stand-alone multitracks seems to have died. I guess most stopped buying them in favor of computer daws. The final models from Roland, Yamaha and Korg were immensely powerful but slow as hell. And expensive at retail which I assume is part of the problem.

    We're basically down to tascam and zoom and they both leave me wanting. For midi, mostly. And//or multiple outs.

    Yeah this is what I'm coming up against.....just the MIDI sync alone would be a major plus for any of these devices...allowing integration into any setup whether it be DAW or sequenced....but instead they seem to want to be the interface for the DAW as opposed to 'joining in'..or even being the DAW....
    The previous versions of the tascam DP's had MIDI sync, but since they brought out the SD versions it's gone :|

    Although maybe not perfect...due to the reported clock issue (not sure this would be a major issue for pure music production as if I'm using the R24 as the clock, then any minor drift would be workable) + SQ-1 does seem to be the affordable answer at the moment.

    I'm going to take time to ponder....

    SQ-1 clock is why I got 1. Stats from Innerclock Systems:

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Aud_iOS said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @syrupcore said:
    It's generally a bummer that all innovation in stand-alone multitracks seems to have died. I guess most stopped buying them in favor of computer daws. The final models from Roland, Yamaha and Korg were immensely powerful but slow as hell. And expensive at retail which I assume is part of the problem.

    We're basically down to tascam and zoom and they both leave me wanting. For midi, mostly. And//or multiple outs.

    Yeah this is what I'm coming up against.....just the MIDI sync alone would be a major plus for any of these devices...allowing integration into any setup whether it be DAW or sequenced....but instead they seem to want to be the interface for the DAW as opposed to 'joining in'..or even being the DAW....
    The previous versions of the tascam DP's had MIDI sync, but since they brought out the SD versions it's gone :|

    Although maybe not perfect...due to the reported clock issue (not sure this would be a major issue for pure music production as if I'm using the R24 as the clock, then any minor drift would be workable) + SQ-1 does seem to be the affordable answer at the moment.

    I'm going to take time to ponder....

    SQ-1 clock is why I got 1. Stats from Innerclock Systems:

    I'm convinced on this one..... :)

    Just need to decide on the multi-track now....
    The new LiveTrak is class compliant so in the event that I did upgrade the iPad storage at some point I could also use it as a multi interface......but it doesn't have the track sequencing or sampler features of the R24
    R24 has the nice sampler and track sequencing features, which fits my workflow perfectly, I'll record separate parts for verse and chorus, then string them together in DAW to get song structure, then record full length version over the top, the track sequencing looks perfect for this but the R24 is not class compliant so that closes off iOS as a multi input DAW with it in the future, although I could still record standalone and then transfer to iPad using the SD Card if I wanted better editing than the R24 offers, but this will probably involve using a PC at some point in the process, which if I'm gonna do that I may as well just use the PC full stop.
    The tascam sits somewhere between those 2.

    Or is there some other device/method of adding audio tracks I've not yet thought of.....

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