breakbeat style drums like the Prodigy on ios?

eross

We have poison 202 for Prodigy style synth sounds , but what about drums? what apps would be the best for writing drum beats like the Prodigy? I love their huge break beat style drums, but have no idea how to program something like that. Anyone know of any resources out there of how to make tunes like the Prodigy?

mschenkel.it

Bm3 could do the job but the most essential part will be the drum break sample, then chop, repitch, compress, eq, emulate sample rate reduction and bit depth

mireko_2

Good idea of how to create breaks from this video

mireko_2

And another, very sample heavy music

eross

oh nice!thanks that video was helpful. so they take like funk drums breaks, and chop them up. So now I need to figure out how to play funk breaks i guess and then chop them up. what exactly
makes a break beat a break beat?

eross

keep those vids and tips and links coming. i’m learn this breakbeat stuff by the end of the day. that’s my goal

richardyot

@eross said:
oh nice!thanks that video was helpful. so they take like funk drums breaks, and chop them up. So now I need to figure out how to play funk breaks i guess and then chop them up. what exactly
makes a break beat a break beat?

In most cases the beats are sampled from old records, for example the famous "Amen Break" used a lot in Drum and Bass is sampled from the track "Amen Brother" by The Winstons, a 60s soul group (there is a drum break at 1.28 that can easily be sampled):

richardyot

But if you want to play a breakbeat yourself, I can try and explain according to my admittedly limited knowledge...

mireko_2

mireko_2

Ooh programming your own is good fun make sure you don't miss the ghost notes and visit tracker forums for lots of great tips

nrgb

Loop | Breakbeat Deconstruction: From Hip Hop To Drum & Bass And Beyond

richardyot

@mireko_2 said:
visit tracker forums for lots of great tips

Link?

AndyPlankton

If you are after the Prodigy sound then check out Big Beat, it is the sub genre of breakbeat more associated with acts like The Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim...

This vid show the process of creating such drums but is not iOS nor is it based on drum machines but using LogicPro and samples....but the overall process would be very similar

As far as apps go, and i will be trying this myself after watching this vid....probably a mix of Future Drummer and Funk Drummer.....to get the beats, and any number of samples/drum synths to get the sounds
Future Drummer to get the main beat and the Funk Drummer for the 'Funky' bit on top. But in order to do it like in the vid it will also need a DAW, I'll be trying it with Cubasis.
Not really answering your question I know, more me talking out loud while I figure it out in my head

I've said before on here I am not aware of genres these days, far too many for me to keep track of, but after investigating this I realise i am a massive fan of Big Beat. Thank you for posting this and making me delve

eross

this is why i love this forum. you ask a question and everybody is there to help. amazing! you guys are gonna turn me into a master of break and big beats by the end of the day, with all these great links.

richardyot

OK, here's a really simple introduction to the concept of syncopation: adding beats and/or emphasis in unexpected places to make things sound funky.

This is a straight backbeat drawn in the Gadget piano roll, boom-tsk-crack-tsk-boom-tsk-crack:

Note how everything falls on eighth notes, the beat is perfectly regular (kick and snare on quarter-notes and the hats on the eighth notes in between).

If we leave the hat and snare in exactly the same place, but shuffle the kick around so it doesn't fall on regular beat divisions, but on a mixture of quarter-notes, eighth notes, and sixteenth notes (highlighted in red) you get much more groove and movement in the beat. Draw this out in a sequencer and listen to it to get a feel for how it sounds. Then play similar kinds of rhythms yourself on drum pads:

Generally this kind of beat works better if you try and program it by actually playing it rather than drawing it in a step editor IMO. But the reason it sounds funky is because the kick is playing on irregular beat divisions, those syncopated sixteenth notes are what gives the beat it's groove.

eross

@richardyot said:
OK, here's a really simple introduction to the concept of syncopation: adding beats and/or emphasis in unexpected places to make things sound funky.

This is a straight backbeat drawn in the Gadget piano roll, boom-tsk-crack-tsk-boom-tsk-crack:

Note how everything falls on eighth notes, the beat is perfectly regular (kick and snare on quarter-notes and the hats on the eighth notes in between).

If we leave the hat and snare in exactly the same place, but shuffle the kick around so it doesn't fall on regular beat divisions, but on a mixture of quarter-notes, eighth notes, and sixteenth notes (highlighted in red) you get much more groove and movement in the beat. Draw this out in a sequencer and listen to it to get a feel for how it sounds. Then play similar kinds of rhythms yourself on drum pads:

Generally this kind of beat works better if you try and program it by actually playing it rather than drawing it in a step editor IMO. But the reason it sounds funky is because the kick is playing on irregular beat divisions, those syncopated sixteenth notes are what gives the beat it's groove.

aghhhhhh yes!! thank you. this is awesome, thanks for the pics, i’m gonna put that into gadget immediately and try it out.

richardyot

Also, in most breakbeats the snare is syncopated as well, but you could take the pattern I posted above and move the pattern to the snare rather than the kick at the end of the bar.

The video that @mireko_2 posted above is really good if you want to try and copy a bunch of classic beats, just try and play them on the pads in Gadget/BeatHawk/BM3 or whatever:

AndyPlankton

@eross said:
oh nice!thanks that video was helpful. so they take like funk drums breaks, and chop them up. So now I need to figure out how to play funk breaks i guess and then chop them up. what exactly
makes a break beat a break beat?

A breakbeat is so called because it is usually sampled from the 'break' in a track as opposed to being from the main drum beat.

nrgb

Ableton have a nice, free sample pack.

https://www.ableton.com/en/packs/break-selection-live-9/#?item_type=free

eross

@richardyot said:
Also, in most breakbeats the snare is syncopated as well, but you could take the pattern I posted above and move the pattern to the snare rather than the kick at the end of the bar.

The video that @mireko_2 posted above is really good if you want to try and copy a bunch of classic beats, just try and play them on the pads in Gadget/BeatHawk/BM3 or whatever:

snare synchopated? what does that mean. sorry still learning. lol

AndyPlankton

Synchopated = in between beats (on the off beat)

so kick snare kick snare kick snare kick snare

richardyot

@AndyPlankton said:
Synchopated = in between beats (on the off beat)

so kick snare kick snare kick snare kick snare

Not so much in between, but played on uneven time divisions. The whole post with the screengrabs was an attempt at explaining the concept.

AndyPlankton

@richardyot said:

@AndyPlankton said:
Synchopated = in between beats (on the off beat)

so kick snare kick snare kick snare kick snare

Not so much in between, but played on uneven time divisions. The whole post with the screengrabs was an attempt at explaining the concept.

Ahh ok.....

JeffChasteen

@richardyot said:
OK, here's a really simple introduction to the concept of syncopation: adding beats and/or emphasis in unexpected places to make things sound funky.

This is a straight backbeat drawn in the Gadget piano roll, boom-tsk-crack-tsk-boom-tsk-crack:

Note how everything falls on eighth notes, the beat is perfectly regular (kick and snare on quarter-notes and the hats on the eighth notes in between).

If we leave the hat and snare in exactly the same place, but shuffle the kick around so it doesn't fall on regular beat divisions, but on a mixture of quarter-notes, eighth notes, and sixteenth notes (highlighted in red) you get much more groove and movement in the beat. Draw this out in a sequencer and listen to it to get a feel for how it sounds. Then play similar kinds of rhythms yourself on drum pads:

Generally this kind of beat works better if you try and program it by actually playing it rather than drawing it in a step editor IMO. But the reason it sounds funky is because the kick is playing on irregular beat divisions, those syncopated sixteenth notes are what gives the beat it's groove.

Richard, nice example.
Thanks.

[Deleted User]

Amenbreakgen until iOS11...

eross

@richardyot said:

@AndyPlankton said:
Synchopated = in between beats (on the off beat)

so kick snare kick snare kick snare kick snare

Not so much in between, but played on uneven time divisions. The whole post with the screengrabs was an attempt at explaining the concept.

ahhh ok that makes sense

eross

@AndyPlankton said:

@richardyot said:

@AndyPlankton said:
Synchopated = in between beats (on the off beat)

so kick snare kick snare kick snare kick snare

Not so much in between, but played on uneven time divisions. The whole post with the screengrabs was an attempt at explaining the concept.

Ahh ok.....

@AndyPlankton said:

@richardyot said:

@AndyPlankton said:
Synchopated = in between beats (on the off beat)

so kick snare kick snare kick snare kick snare

Not so much in between, but played on uneven time divisions. The whole post with the screengrabs was an attempt at explaining the concept.

Ahh ok.....

it’s all coming together nicely now, and making sense in me brain

richardyot

@eross said:

@richardyot said:
Also, in most breakbeats the snare is syncopated as well, but you could take the pattern I posted above and move the pattern to the snare rather than the kick at the end of the bar.

The video that @mireko_2 posted above is really good if you want to try and copy a bunch of classic beats, just try and play them on the pads in Gadget/BeatHawk/BM3 or whatever:

snare synchopated? what does that mean. sorry still learning. lol

In my example, just move some of those funky kick beats up to the snare:

This is just scratching the surface, but it's enough to get started with.

If you're really into it you can check out http://www.xpresspads.com - it was linked to in another thread last week and I thought it looked interesting so I forked out $39 for the course and learnt more about rhythm in a few days than I had in the previous 20 years I'm still in the basic section, so hopefully it will only get better.

eross

@richardyot said:

@eross said:

@richardyot said:
Also, in most breakbeats the snare is syncopated as well, but you could take the pattern I posted above and move the pattern to the snare rather than the kick at the end of the bar.

The video that @mireko_2 posted above is really good if you want to try and copy a bunch of classic beats, just try and play them on the pads in Gadget/BeatHawk/BM3 or whatever:

snare synchopated? what does that mean. sorry still learning. lol

In my example, just move some of those funky kick beats up to the snare:

This is just scratching the surface, but it's enough to get started with.

If you're really into it you can check out http://www.xpresspads.com - it was linked to in another thread last week and I thought it looked interesting so I forked out $39 for the course and learnt more about rhythm in a few days than I had in the previous 20 years I'm still in the basic section, so hopefully it will only get better.

that sounds good. i might have to check that course out

eross

@nrgb said:
Ableton have a nice, free sample pack.

https://www.ableton.com/en/packs/break-selection-live-9/#?item_type=free

cool i’ll have to try that kit out. thanks

billjobs_in_space

The very first beat I did with Elastic Drums had a bit of breakiness to it:

To get hi-hats sounding really frantic, I make liberal use of the stutter or comb filter effect