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OT: Asking for good vibes for Las Vegas
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And you wonder why people are mean to each other?
It's crazy that people/consumers will belligerently support a commercial industry lobbying firm, and feel all sanctimonious and virtuous about doing so. No other industry has been able to pull that type of con on the marks. Not even Religion, Inc.
Let me start with my whole support to Las Vegas victims. We were hit in Barcelona recently so we are with you.
Let me also say a secret: Guns are mainly targeted to wound and kill living beings. They don't transport you from one place to the other, you cannot cook with them, they are made for that, to kill.
Strict control of guns benefits life and I am pro life.
Nevada has some of the least restrictive gun laws in the country;
The state does not require firearms owners to have licenses or register their weapons and Nevada does not limit the number of firearms an individual can possess;
Semi-automatic assault-style weapons and machine guns are legal in the state as long as they are possessed in adherence to federal law, according to the National Rifle Association;
Nevada also does not outlaw the transfer or possession of 50-caliber rifles or large-capacity ammunition magazines;
The Nevada state legislature has prohibited cities and counties from passing their own regulations on firearms, effectively reserving for itself the right to legislate all areas of firearm law except unsafe discharge of firearms;
The state’s gun-control activists won a small victory last year by passing Question 1, a resolution that called for background checks through a licensed gun dealer for all sales in the state.
The measure also required an unlicensed person who wishes to sell or transfer a firearm to another person to conduct the transfer through a licensed gun dealer who runs a background check. But Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt later issued an opinion that that part of the law is unenforceable;
Open carry is legal in the state, without a permit;
According to the website Nevada Open Carry, whose website early Monday announced that “a hateful heart was responsible for this crime,” you can carry guns openly everywhere, with a handful of exceptions such as in a child care facility or public school without written permission of the principal.
Nevada’s open-carry policies do not allow weapons to be displayed on federal properties including courthouses and Social Security offices, post offices and military bases. Other states, including California, Florida and Illinois, have bans on open carry, while states including Minnesota and New Jersey, require a permit to openly carry a long gun;
Local law enforcement issues concealed handgun licenses in Nevada. Nevada is a so-called “shall issue” state, meaning the county sheriff shall issue a concealed firearms permit to applicants who qualify under state and federal law;
While Nevada considers concealing a firearm without a permit to be a felony, it is possible to obtain a concealed firearm permit by taking an eight-hour concealed firearm permit course approved by the sheriff; it’s not clear whether the Vegas gunman possessed such a permit;
If you are moving to Nevada and have an out-of-state permit, you must apply for a resident permit from scratch, including taking the training class;
Nevada does not require a license for the sale of ammunition or require sellers of ammunition to maintain a record of the purchasers;
Nevada does prohibit the manufacture or sale of any “metal-penetrating bullet” capable of being fired from a handgun;
Under state law, a person may not sell ammunition to another person if the seller has “actual knowledge” that the person: is under indictment for, or has been convicted of, a felony in Nevada, any other state, or under federal law; is a fugitive from justice; has been adjudicated as mentally ill or has been committed to any mental health facility;
Although federal law prohibits the possession of newly manufactured machine (automatic) guns, it allows the transfer of machine guns lawfully owned prior to May 19, 1986, if the transfer is approved by Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF);
A substantial number of machine guns are still in circulation — as of November 2006, the national registry of machine guns contained registrations for 391,532 of them.
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This one just hit me a bit harder because it was in my hometown. I was born & raised in Las Vegas, which especially for children of boomers was very rare. But one of the things I am proudest of is when Las Vegas exploded in the late ‘80’s-early ‘90’s it was a case study for multiculturalism and tolerance.
People from all around the globe moved here and although you’d get the good natured bitching about California drivers, by and large my life’s experiences living here for 40 years have been totally positive.
I have friends from all sorts of different places. And it’s like after 10 years of living here you become like an honorary native. Las Vegas has it’s problems, like any large metropolitan city, but I always felt tolerance here...Come on it’s like the Capitol of The Goodtime, the debauchery, partying, the whole deal. It’s not a city built on hate.
This city and every other city hit with senseless, evil, sociopathic violence won’t fold & crumble. We’ll keep welcoming all comers...Hate and chaos won’t win.
Hold your loved ones tight tonight gang. We’re hanging on to this screaming locomotive and you don’t know when the bump in the tracks happen...you can’t stop a derailment...but you can work to make the voyage as peaceful and loving as possible, a day at a time.
Be cool...
That seems rather out of proportion.
All the feeling sorry won’t be enough for the victims of this shooting. What they would be appreciative of is bagging all the arms and sending them to a metal recycling centre.
I know for many Americans it seems like stamping on their basic rights but statistics tell the whole story. Just compare gun ownership and gun crime in both US and Europe.
I don’t think anybody here is to disrespect anybody but there are some sceletons in the closet needing a bath.
Peace out
The horror upon the horrors is that the shareholders are rewarded: gun and ammo maker stocks just jumped as much as 6%. hours after the massacre. Which happens in America, after mass shootings, in our dance of greed and fear: gun "fanciers" buy more guns after mass shootings. They fear not the terrorist, but the congressman who might put an obstacle in the way of that third or tenth gun buy. (As any gun dealer will tell you the vast majority of guns sales are to return customers)
PSA: Closing this thread as it has severely devolved. I understand emotions are high, but this ain’t the place for venom.