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Yup, some people can even use just their voice, no DAW. Crazy.
@Audiogus yes, good point . I think some of that audio damage stuff might work in that capacity ..
AU’s needed for parity? I think not.
This conversation is just plain silly. We’re talking about two completely different animals here - each very good at what they do, each with a few things in common, but not in any way comparable one to another.
For example here’s just some of what’s built in to BM3 without resorting to any AU FX:
On every Layer of every Pad:
On every sample on every layer on every pad
On every Pad:
Every parameter automatable by
This is all just scratching the surface.
I LOVE WerkBench. Comparison based on what one is trying to do, or how they like to approach things is one thing but all this comparison app to app based on features is just nonsense.
@Wim : I strongly disagree . They both sample, and so the fact that they do so differently makes a comparison way MORE interesting.. BTW thanks so much for that inclusive parameter list! Sounds like you really know BM3.. Sincerly, #Silly
Yes, a Bugatti and a Citation X will both get you from point A to point B with class ... just depends on how you want to get there.
I’ll take both.. You wouldn’t wanna drive tie Bugatti on a camping trip.
With WB you have a nice result after 15 minutes. With BM3, you have a better result but after 15 hours (at least for me)
that nails it
Kitchen vs. microwave.
One thing werkbench doesn't do is 32nd notes.
15 minutes for a finished song ?
15 minutes on WB and 15 minutes more just to add basic drums and I did this
I was not refering to any sort of parity. By 'fancy' I assumed the poster meant in terms of quick gratification, plug and go. The BM3 tools are awesome but not inherently 'fancy' in and of themselves. They can of course be made 'fancy' depending how you route/macro them. The nut of this thread seems to be Werkbench is quick fun, BM3 is deep.
Haha, yet ye clearly partake.
Haha, yet ye clearly partake.
That sounds really nice, I love the mood of it, uplifting with a touch of dark, very very cool. First thing it made me think was maybe I could use WB as a sketch pad for BM3.
Agree with @AudioGus. The juxtaposition of the minor motif that floats in at about the 1:40 mark is really nice.
Wow! Nicely done.
I dont want to sound disrespectful at all here, so i want to be clear that this really isn't the type of music I have any interest in at all, so I can't comment on the music itself, but it sounds very much like looped audio content with some effects and a programmed drum beat ?
I don't see how that would take any longer to achieve in Beatmaker 3 ?
Certainly not fifteen hours, Beatmaker 3 is not that hard to use.
Just so we are very clear, I am not commenting on the music itself, but the way it is created, this all seems possible in Beatmaker 3 in thirty minutes too, maybe I have completely misunderstood what has been done in this song, so I am only guessing at the work that went in to it.
The comparison between the two apps is a strange one to begin with, but I don't see anything other than Werkbench is easier to learn than Beatmaker for some people, that is all, Beatmaker is obviously the more capable application, it is a full DAW, and that would seem obvious that it has more to learn.
That is some mighty fine Werkbenching, and makes me want the buy the app. Also, for me the piece was finished after the first fifteen minutes. The drums are superfluous.
Indeed. I should keep the editorial comments to myself though. I can see now after a good night's sleep that the tone was all wrong. Noted and tucked away for next time.
The point I was trying to make is intended to set the record straight for anyone reading this thread who may not have one or both apps and is trying to make a decision. Incorrect information like...
should be responded to ... albeit without the snark.
Yah sounds like you are both on the same page really. In saying 'at least for me' their assessment of BM3 was subjective as opposed to objective.
But yah, for me BM3 is one of the few iOS apps where the more time I put into it the more seemingly exponential reward, as opposed to frustration, I get. Particularly as a Sampler guy at heart. Anyway, with things like Cubasis-Blocs or AUM-Modstep or Gadget-Samplr etc, or whatever wacky wired up rig I could dream up etc etc I would always end up bottoming out and feeling slowed down and stifled too much. With BM3, ever since the launch it keeps calling me back and the stuff I am making gets better and better and quicker and quicker, with more of it seemingly emerging.
And I just realized that I should have my coffee before replying. Ahh humans.
cool tune
The fact is this the kind of idea that emerges quickly on Werkbench. Its very limitations help coax out lovely, simple things like this that I seriously doubt you'd harness the firepower of BM3 to come up with. I do think BM3 is where you'd send this idea to expand upon it. (And I'm in agreement with the others that you might revisit the drums. Say — in BM3?)
Thank you all for your nice comments. I fully agree with you @Samplemunch, this can be done in BM3 without big trouble. However I am not sure I would have found the concept by myself in BM3. Here in 15 minutes, it is really the app that guided me and 99% of the credits should go to the dev. more than to me. This is maybe the big difference between the two apps : one will guide you in a limited (but amazing) field, the other will let you freely “create” with the talent you have
So Werkbench isn't just record and trigger, there is some kind of sequence AI guide ?
I think i may have watched a really outdated video of Werkbench or something, it seemed to just be steps in a sequencer that you could record to, I apologise.
I don't think I'd ever be fluid enough in BM3 to come up with some of the stuff I get surprised with out of WerkBench. On the other hand, all I get out of Werkbench are fragments (my fault, not Werkbench's), not songs.
Hey, and SampleBot is another delightful flavor altogether. The more toys the merrier!
Boing Boom Tschakk
@Samplemunch : WerBench has two sequencers which have been updated and revised..
Oh boy,I just realized I sparked a great discussion stemming from an absurd comparison.
@Audigus, yiuve just inspired me to dig deeper into BM3 ! It seems I see so much complaining about it on other threads .