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Would you be able to expand a bit more on the Cubasis midi thing.
I need to pick a new workflow DAW and midi is priority one.
Cheers
It is holding my beloved Alchemy captive in it's walled garden and did not even invite Alchemy's IAP's...
Can't use it with tc-data...
There's more...
Some official info by the Cubasis team in this thread:
https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59378
Thanks @OscarSouth.
Wow, going back to 2014 and no improvement? Poor showing Steinberg.
@LFS Any plans for this to be updated? Thanks.
To be fair, for composition inside Cubasis itself I don’t think that this matters at all, and most users would probably never notice the effects. For importing nuanced MIDI or recording live playing though, I can imagine why it’s a decision factor (this is the case for me).
It’s worth checking out Xequence if you haven’t already. Point it at Auria, or AUM, or Gadget, Cubasis, wherever and you’ll have a user-friendly midi timeline editor (and playable surface), so you can just get on with things. The Cubasis workflow/UI is indeed great (so friendly!), but Auria Pro has those peerless FabFilters...
@JRSIV I think you may have misinterpreted my posts. If you read what I wrote, I don't particularly prefer Garageband. I don't think it's interface is as conducive to the "Frankenstein" approach with patched together variations of unique sound design-oriented apps... in more of an approach vaguely similar to the video I posted.
I also don't have much of a history with analogue at all. Before about 2.5 years ago, I'd only dabbled briefly with ProTools and Logic. Absolutely clueless, and gave up fairly quick. My foray into iOS sound experimentation started initially, with hope it'd be an easier route to learn more. And it has served well in that capacity. I didn't anticipate learning that iOS sound was a viable, legitimate platform all on it's own.
This also means I didn't have old habits and knowledge that needed retraining. It's all relatively fresh to me, so I don't have difficult awkwardness of switching from traditional analogue paradigms.
What I was also saying, is that I wasn't aware of just how much Garageband already offered. The "old guard" was always so completely dismissive of it as merely a "toy", etc. that I didn't really bother with it much. However, the more I learned, the more it became evident that they are wrong. It's a viable tool, that seems to be more heavily targeted at musicians. There are also many excellent tools within Garageband that are basically redundant with many apps I've purchased. Had I not listened to the "old guard" and taken the time to explore Garageband more, it's likely I could have done without many of the apps I now own.
Does that mean I'd now switch over to using Garageband instead? No. It doesn't. As I described in my previous post, I love patching up all kinds of varieties of strange apps, field recordings, effects, etc. in an environment that's straight forward, beautiful minimalist GUI design, and clear-cut with regard to how components connect to each other. For this, I much prefer the AUM interface. But, eventually... I need a straight forward environment to organize and finish out the "Frankenstein" creation, and for that I much prefer an environment like Auria Pro. I also prefer Auria Pro, because it's general interface and language, isn't all that different than Logic Pro.
If Apple opened up Garageband even more, and made it so if you upgraded, then switched to an advanced version that looked and functioned almost identically to Logic Pro X, that might be a different story because it'd be nice to move back and forth between iOS and the desktop more seamlessly. For now, I'm plenty content with AUM and Auria Pro, while paying closer attention to Garageband's impressive evolution... and not listening to the dismissive "old guard" so much.
Gee @skiphunt am I part of this dreaded "old guard"?! They sound shockingly gauche, ill-informed & possibly stinky!
Nah brother, I wasn't throwing shade. To the contrary I was trying to be self effacing in that I KNOW I'm predisposed & like my old ways of doing things. But all of my critiques regarding GarageBand were ALL in one area: GUI.
Just because I find it clunky doesn't mean someone who never touched a real fader or pan pot won't think it's elegant. I'm far from the guy screaming at the clouds & the kids on my lawn re: GB; never thought it was a toy & several times I made the point that I dig the various drum elements, Alchemy, the asian instruments, etc.
I'm leaving it on my iPad after several times of deleting & reinstalling it; with iMaschine, iMPC Pro and a few other big music apps not on my iPad anymore I think it says a lot that I keep coming back to it. I agree there's a hell of a lot there for a free bundleware app that could've been abysmal had Apple not taken the obvious care they have to make it a serious music production tool.
I'd say we agree on GarageBand significantly more than we disagree on it. That you still enjoy the app stew approach of AUM & the professional quality of Auria Pro is another similarity we have. As the top of my post said I like having both Cubasis & Auria Pro in my quiver as well as GB.
I just don't prefer it over those bedrock production apps to make tracks with start to finish, i.e. it's a piece of the puzzle to me not the table that the puzzles put together on.
Be cool....
Dang it! Looks like I STILL wasn't clear. No, wasn't referring to you as the "old guard". Just that when I first started playing with iOS, I heard that GB wasn't worth considering at all... that it was a toy... too closed.... not worth bothering with. Foolishly, I listened to that and didn't try it out much for myself.
I would agree with you that the interface doesn't click with me either. It's got a lot of powerful capability, more so than I was led to believe... but at the end of the day, I end up leaving it for more streamlined interfaces that I don't have to dig into settings so much. I also don't find the interface all that intuitive.
So, yeah... I think we're mostly in agreement here. The "old guard" was related only partially to forums like this one, and only a very few users at that. Most here have always been champions of, and open-minded to all of the new possibilities available now on the iOS mobile platform.
@JRSIV I'm right there with ya. I thought GB was great when I first dove in, but when I started to get into the track and wanted to start getting creative with the mixing/routing I hit a wall. I'm also coming from a studio background, so I'm used to a traditional console/desk-style workflow and GB doesn't do it for me.
That being said - I understand that I am not the average GB user, and it wasn't designed for folks like me. So I dig into Auria when I need that level of interaction.
GB is like a great hammer - everyone can use it and get the job done, but some of us need differently shaped or specialized hammers for the work we're doing. Doesn't invalidate the standard hammer that is GB - you can still pound the crap out of stuff - but it's not as effective when a rubber or ball-peen hammer is needed.
I love Garageband, simply because the built-in instruments are amazing, especially the Drummer, and Alchemy, and the new Drum Sequencer - but most of the stuff in there is really good.
But it's not the app for finishing tracks. It's great for actually writing music though, love it for that. But then I export the solo-ed tracks and mix in Auria, where there are Aux sends and busses and that kind of shit.
Well, people are triggered easily. My philosophy is to go for a walk or to play guitar or eat something before replying to a seemingly offensive post - it gives me perspective. Text communication is handicapped; there’s no prosody, no body language to help a proper understanding. It’s not a surprise that it used to be the realm of a few talented (or not so talented) writers before the Internet made it the main form of human communication.
I think we’re ALL fans of GB to varying degrees, which is saying something for anything in this life.
It’s also brought the wonder of Music & music production to millions who otherwise would have never even glimpsed it. I have my problems with the current state of the music business but the fact that the playing field is leveled, that more people can make quality sounding recordings & tracks than ever before, that is a great thing.
And that’s the crux of it. GB was designed for newer musicians & home recording upstarts who had no previous experience with the recording process. Auria Pro was designed as a fully loaded professional DAW on a mobile platform. At the end of the day whatever floats your boat, whatever is more comfortable to you is secondary...the primary thing is to be making music.
Beginning to agree with this. Never really written in it before, but have found it a smooth method. Few quirks, for sure. Having trouble exporting tracks, just seems to take an age and sometimes works, sometimes not so much. Imagine this might be an area that the next update may cover. Seems to often be the (understandable) case that a big update brings forth another fix job soon thereafter....whether that's as true for the behemoth that is the fruit seller we'll see.
Am definitely (no idea why) finding vocal recording easier/cleaner here. Maybe they're more flattened out/simple than in Auria which would make sense. Just have to accept that an 'easier/less choice' playroom might be more productive for me at this point. But, yes, even with poor mixing skills I do want it all out and into Auria for whatever finishing touches I can manage...
Auria since day one has a 100 mm fader mixer. This alone is hard to beat on iOS (in fact, in any DAW, desktop ones included) and I doubt it will change in the short term. There’s a lot of criticism of Auria in this particular forum - perhaps because many here are inclined to electronic music or came from Ableton Live - but even this can be misleading: most of the complaints are because Auria is not the one app to ditch them all, instead of because Auria was actually not good.