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Are iOS analogue synths actually analogue

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  • iOSounddesigniOSounddesign

    @Moderndaycompiler said:

    @iOSounddesign said:
    A lot of it is in our heads, and influenced by the design of the app. Everybody talks about Model 15, iVCS3, and Zeeon, but nobody thinks of, lets say DRC. DRC is at least on par with all of these, but looks futuristic and modern. But it is an analogue modeling synth (i think that's the best term to describe it), yet nobody thinks of it, because it doesn't have that skeumorphic vintage look and feel. Best example for me, that a lot of this "analogue" is in our heads.

    DRC does indeed have a rich analog sound (at least to my ears). Pity I don't use it as much as I should. If it became an AU app that would change. I think Poison-202 and iSem are gems too.
    That said, model 15 and Zeeon are at the head of the class.

    They're all a little different, DRC is number one for me in regard to classic analogue String sounds, especially on the 2-pole filter. The layout and possibilities are far more limited than the semi/modulars, but it makes up for it with a lot of sweet spots, and a super hands on interface. A little like the old Roland polysynths. But my point was, that a lot of the "analogue" is clever design and marketing, more than just the sound. The illusion of actually having a legendary synth from the 70s/80s.

  • u0421793u0421793

    Are analogue synths really analogue? The passing of each electron down a conductor and through a semiconductor is discrete – one electron at a time. It either moved or it didn’t. There isn’t half an electron, or most of an electron moving down the wire. Well, technically, one electron doesn’t make its way through the entire conductor, it hits another one, passing on the energy, like billiard balls, to yet another, then another, and so on. Each state transition is discrete. It either happened or it didn’t.

  • encenc

    @Martygras said:

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @waynerowand said:
    Proper analogue

    Hehehe!!!

    Is nobody going to address the fact that there are only 7 cats??? Only seven...

    7 note moggyphonic :p

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @iOSounddesign said:
    A lot of it is in our heads, and influenced by the design of the app. Everybody talks about Model 15, iVCS3, and Zeeon, but nobody thinks of, lets say DRC. DRC is at least on par with all of these, but looks futuristic and modern. But it is an analogue modeling synth (i think that's the best term to describe it), yet nobody thinks of it, because it doesn't have that skeumorphic vintage look and feel. Best example for me, that a lot of this "analogue" is in our heads.

    This!
    Doubleplus, sir.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @iOSounddesign said:

    @Moderndaycompiler said:

    @iOSounddesign said:
    A lot of it is in our heads, and influenced by the design of the app. Everybody talks about Model 15, iVCS3, and Zeeon, but nobody thinks of, lets say DRC. DRC is at least on par with all of these, but looks futuristic and modern. But it is an analogue modeling synth (i think that's the best term to describe it), yet nobody thinks of it, because it doesn't have that skeumorphic vintage look and feel. Best example for me, that a lot of this "analogue" is in our heads.

    DRC does indeed have a rich analog sound (at least to my ears). Pity I don't use it as much as I should. If it became an AU app that would change. I think Poison-202 and iSem are gems too.
    That said, model 15 and Zeeon are at the head of the class.

    They're all a little different, DRC is number one for me in regard to classic analogue String sounds, especially on the 2-pole filter. The layout and possibilities are far more limited than the semi/modulars, but it makes up for it with a lot of sweet spots, and a super hands on interface. A little like the old Roland polysynths. But my point was, that a lot of the "analogue" is clever design and marketing, more than just the sound. The illusion of actually having a legendary synth from the 70s/80s.

    I agree. I often forget about DRC which i have on my iPhone AND mac which is great. It would be my third choice of iOS analog synths.
    But i also like TF8.....for strings it is my favorite on iOS. The reverb is the best from any synth on iOS as well (even better than most stand alone reverb apps if you like huge and lush spaces).
    Fact is that every synth has pro and contra. These days i often prefer simpler synths which are very good at some things and layer them with others which are better in other things. I find this more easy to use a synths with a lot layers, 20 different FX and whatever obscure modulation options. I often get better results this way. But i do love modular synths as well.
    However, i need to revisit DRC again and try how my patches sound there. I like to create the same patches and compare the character of synths.

  • iOSounddesigniOSounddesign

    @Cib said:

    @iOSounddesign said:

    @Moderndaycompiler said:

    @iOSounddesign said:
    A lot of it is in our heads, and influenced by the design of the app. Everybody talks about Model 15, iVCS3, and Zeeon, but nobody thinks of, lets say DRC. DRC is at least on par with all of these, but looks futuristic and modern. But it is an analogue modeling synth (i think that's the best term to describe it), yet nobody thinks of it, because it doesn't have that skeumorphic vintage look and feel. Best example for me, that a lot of this "analogue" is in our heads.

    DRC does indeed have a rich analog sound (at least to my ears). Pity I don't use it as much as I should. If it became an AU app that would change. I think Poison-202 and iSem are gems too.
    That said, model 15 and Zeeon are at the head of the class.

    They're all a little different, DRC is number one for me in regard to classic analogue String sounds, especially on the 2-pole filter. The layout and possibilities are far more limited than the semi/modulars, but it makes up for it with a lot of sweet spots, and a super hands on interface. A little like the old Roland polysynths. But my point was, that a lot of the "analogue" is clever design and marketing, more than just the sound. The illusion of actually having a legendary synth from the 70s/80s.

    I agree. I often forget about DRC which i have on my iPhone AND mac which is great. It would be my third choice of iOS analog synths.
    But i also like TF8.....for strings it is my favorite on iOS. The reverb is the best from any synth on iOS as well (even better than most stand alone reverb apps if you like huge and lush spaces).
    Fact is that every synth has pro and contra. These days i often prefer simpler synths which are very good at some things and layer them with others which are better in other things. I find this more easy to use a synths with a lot layers, 20 different FX and whatever obscure modulation options. I often get better results this way. But i do love modular synths as well.
    However, i need to revisit DRC again and try how my patches sound there. I like to create the same patches and compare the character of synths.

    Yeah nothing like going back to a synth that you haven't played in a while and being remembered, of how freaking good it is. What you somehow forget, because you are chasing the next app...and the next app. After working with TAL-U-NO i'm being reminded how amazing a synth is with very few controls, yet an incredible amount of sweet spots. The kind of synths that almost never sounds bad. What you are talking about in regards to simplicity, this is the one thing that i really like about Gadget. Simple synths that get you results in no time. Having a great sounding patch in 30 secs or less. Sometimes i want to explore new frontiers in the likes of Audulus, and sometimes i really don't.

    Audulus is another example of an incredible analogue modeling synth, that you don't think of because it looks totally different. Yet it sounds nasty analogue

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @iOSounddesign said:

    @Cib said:

    @iOSounddesign said:

    @Moderndaycompiler said:

    @iOSounddesign said:
    A lot of it is in our heads, and influenced by the design of the app. Everybody talks about Model 15, iVCS3, and Zeeon, but nobody thinks of, lets say DRC. DRC is at least on par with all of these, but looks futuristic and modern. But it is an analogue modeling synth (i think that's the best term to describe it), yet nobody thinks of it, because it doesn't have that skeumorphic vintage look and feel. Best example for me, that a lot of this "analogue" is in our heads.

    DRC does indeed have a rich analog sound (at least to my ears). Pity I don't use it as much as I should. If it became an AU app that would change. I think Poison-202 and iSem are gems too.
    That said, model 15 and Zeeon are at the head of the class.

    They're all a little different, DRC is number one for me in regard to classic analogue String sounds, especially on the 2-pole filter. The layout and possibilities are far more limited than the semi/modulars, but it makes up for it with a lot of sweet spots, and a super hands on interface. A little like the old Roland polysynths. But my point was, that a lot of the "analogue" is clever design and marketing, more than just the sound. The illusion of actually having a legendary synth from the 70s/80s.

    I agree. I often forget about DRC which i have on my iPhone AND mac which is great. It would be my third choice of iOS analog synths.
    But i also like TF8.....for strings it is my favorite on iOS. The reverb is the best from any synth on iOS as well (even better than most stand alone reverb apps if you like huge and lush spaces).
    Fact is that every synth has pro and contra. These days i often prefer simpler synths which are very good at some things and layer them with others which are better in other things. I find this more easy to use a synths with a lot layers, 20 different FX and whatever obscure modulation options. I often get better results this way. But i do love modular synths as well.
    However, i need to revisit DRC again and try how my patches sound there. I like to create the same patches and compare the character of synths.

    Yeah nothing like going back to a synth that you haven't played in a while and being remembered, of how freaking good it is. What you somehow forget, because you are chasing the next app...and the next app. After working with TAL-U-NO i'm being reminded how amazing a synth is with very few controls, yet an incredible amount of sweet spots. The kind of synths that almost never sounds bad. What you are talking about in regards to simplicity, this is the one thing that i really like about Gadget. Simple synths that get you results in no time. Having a great sounding patch in 30 secs or less. Sometimes i want to explore new frontiers in the likes of Audulus, and sometimes i really don't.

    Audulus is another example of an incredible analogue modeling synth, that you don't think of because it looks totally different. Yet it sounds nasty analogue

    Because of that Repro is my Nr.1. High fidelity sound and FX plus so easy to create new patches and very great to perform with. I was the first who wanted more mod-matrix slots but then it might be perfect like it is. Too many modulations makes it just too weird and noisy and you lost track sometimes.
    Then comes P900 which might have the most analog and warm sound i can get from all my tools.
    Nr. 3 is Zeeon. While it can go very wild it‘s still not too complex. I think more modulation slots or much more features won‘t help. I would like now more performance oriented things instead.
    But my lists often change depending on what‘s fresh or in which mood i am.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @iOSounddesign said:

    @Moderndaycompiler said:

    @iOSounddesign said:
    A lot of it is in our heads, and influenced by the design of the app. Everybody talks about Model 15, iVCS3, and Zeeon, but nobody thinks of, lets say DRC. DRC is at least on par with all of these, but looks futuristic and modern. But it is an analogue modeling synth (i think that's the best term to describe it), yet nobody thinks of it, because it doesn't have that skeumorphic vintage look and feel. Best example for me, that a lot of this "analogue" is in our heads.

    DRC does indeed have a rich analog sound (at least to my ears). Pity I don't use it as much as I should. If it became an AU app that would change. I think Poison-202 and iSem are gems too.
    That said, model 15 and Zeeon are at the head of the class.

    They're all a little different, DRC is number one for me in regard to classic analogue String sounds, especially on the 2-pole filter. The layout and possibilities are far more limited than the semi/modulars, but it makes up for it with a lot of sweet spots, and a super hands on interface. A little like the old Roland polysynths. But my point was, that a lot of the "analogue" is clever design and marketing, more than just the sound. The illusion of actually having a legendary synth from the 70s/80s.

    I had to quote you here again and not sure if i have to thank you or hate you now (not really of course).
    I had a bit time to dive deeper into DRC and it´s a lot more versatile as it seems at the beginning.
    I agree also on the 2pole filter....i love it. The distortion sounds from DRC are really really fantastic, maybe the best from iOS synths (have to play more with it). I got some really dark, beautiful distorted and squelchy brass sound out of it i like even more as my other 2 prefered analog iOS synths (Zeeon and Model 15).
    A thing which set´s this even on the same place as Zeeon for now is that i like the GUI and it offers a lot modulations which are fast and easy to set. I mean if you count all the options and use them you already would run out of mod-matrix slots in Zeeon. Another great thing about DRC is that i can modulate the FX.
    Model 15 sounds superb but is not so usable for me since modulars really don´t play so well for me on a touch screen.
    So my revisit of DRC puts it on a throne with Zeeon for now. Thank´s (or not since it will distract me more from other things i wanted to do). The fact that i have it on iOS and mac might give it even the win in the long run and more attractive to create patches for it. I also appreciate that Imaginando are active about tutorials and stuff.
    But When Zeeon gets microtuning and MPE all can turn around again....lol.
    All these synths has it´s own character anyway. There is a reason to own them all.
    (But since i tested Repro-5 and dived into P900 i can say that there is another dimension of modeling now where iOS has to catch up again....at least for me and of course that doesn´t is important for others).

  • iOSounddesigniOSounddesign

    @Cib said:

    @iOSounddesign said:

    @Moderndaycompiler said:

    @iOSounddesign said:
    A lot of it is in our heads, and influenced by the design of the app. Everybody talks about Model 15, iVCS3, and Zeeon, but nobody thinks of, lets say DRC. DRC is at least on par with all of these, but looks futuristic and modern. But it is an analogue modeling synth (i think that's the best term to describe it), yet nobody thinks of it, because it doesn't have that skeumorphic vintage look and feel. Best example for me, that a lot of this "analogue" is in our heads.

    DRC does indeed have a rich analog sound (at least to my ears). Pity I don't use it as much as I should. If it became an AU app that would change. I think Poison-202 and iSem are gems too.
    That said, model 15 and Zeeon are at the head of the class.

    They're all a little different, DRC is number one for me in regard to classic analogue String sounds, especially on the 2-pole filter. The layout and possibilities are far more limited than the semi/modulars, but it makes up for it with a lot of sweet spots, and a super hands on interface. A little like the old Roland polysynths. But my point was, that a lot of the "analogue" is clever design and marketing, more than just the sound. The illusion of actually having a legendary synth from the 70s/80s.

    I had to quote you here again and not sure if i have to thank you or hate you now (not really of course).
    I had a bit time to dive deeper into DRC and it´s a lot more versatile as it seems at the beginning.
    I agree also on the 2pole filter....i love it. The distortion sounds from DRC are really really fantastic, maybe the best from iOS synths (have to play more with it). I got some really dark, beautiful distorted and squelchy brass sound out of it i like even more as my other 2 prefered analog iOS synths (Zeeon and Model 15).
    A thing which set´s this even on the same place as Zeeon for now is that i like the GUI and it offers a lot modulations which are fast and easy to set. I mean if you count all the options and use them you already would run out of mod-matrix slots in Zeeon. Another great thing about DRC is that i can modulate the FX.
    Model 15 sounds superb but is not so usable for me since modulars really don´t play so well for me on a touch screen.
    So my revisit of DRC puts it on a throne with Zeeon for now. Thank´s (or not since it will distract me more from other things i wanted to do). The fact that i have it on iOS and mac might give it even the win in the long run and more attractive to create patches for it. I also appreciate that Imaginando are active about tutorials and stuff.
    But When Zeeon gets microtuning and MPE all can turn around again....lol.
    All these synths has it´s own character anyway. There is a reason to own them all.
    (But since i tested Repro-5 and dived into P900 i can say that there is another dimension of modeling now where iOS has to catch up again....at least for me and of course that doesn´t is important for others).

    Well you already spent the money, so i guess thanks it is :-) The gain/distortion is a huge factor in my love for DRC as well. It's an integral part of the sound. But as you say, it is the layout and the interface. Patches just seem to create themselves, and while a mod matrix offers a lot of power, so many amazing synths don't need one, and DRC is one of them. Glad that you'll agree, that DRC is at least on par with Zeeon.

    I brought up DRC, because i never see it mentioned in the top analogue discussion. And i think it is because it doesn't look analogue, because it definitely sounds very authentic analogue.

  • dendydendy

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    We live in the matrix (simulation), so all analog synths are in fact digital. ;) btw. what a thread!

    this !! thumbsup

  • SamuSamu
    edited December 2017

    @dendy said:

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    We live in the matrix (simulation), so all analog synths are in fact digital. ;) btw. what a thread!

    this !! thumbsup

    +1 I mean many of the sounds we hear today have a DAC as the source :)
    Even analogue equipment once digitally recorded is no longer truly 'analogue'.

    Even if Analogue equipment is 'fun' we still end up listening to digital replication of their output.

    (Some day I will get me one if not more of those damn Microbrutes and blame Paolo for it hahaha).

    Slightly off topic but I love the distorted drums in the video :D

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    I think one of the filter in BeepStreet´s Dagger (Brute12) is similar to the one in the Microbrute. Steiner Parker (which was in the Synthacon from 1978.... or so, don´t know exactly).
    A rare emulated filter in the software world.
    If he would add that powerful filter to Zeeon you might get a Microbrute taste on iOS.
    But i could be totally wrong and just talk shit.....

  • robosardinerobosardine

    I think that the Arturia brutes have long term and unresolved syncing issues- before anyone dives in- check it out

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