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Richard Wagner - film music before there were movies. Still far superior to contemporary movie composers.
No mention of artists like future sound of London or autechre? Boards of Canada??? Brian Eno?
Ryuchi sakamoto...
Aphex Twin and prodigy are not good examples imho
and still the best pad sounds ever created - checkout the Rheingold intro, it's worth a 100 listenings...
and he was quite a metal head in the Valkyrie long before there were electric guitars
This was the piece that had me going crazy for Wagner, when i watched this movie. I played back the DVD over and over again, and had no idea what i was listening to. It wasn't on the official soundtrack either. Almost a decade later i knew it was Wagner.
@DefRobot Yeah, I see what you mean. It is common for the true innovators to remain obscure while someone more marketable steals the credit. I was focusing on artists that sort of defined their genre. I would probably leave Elvis off if we are looking for new. Dude was a copycat if you ask me.
Bjork is sort of mainstream, but I can't even understand what she is trying to do anymore. Skrillex had some major success with a whole new sound based on weird noise and micro-editing (that's my take on it anyway).
Sonic Youth and My Bloody Valentine were groundbreaking when they were starting out.
Maybe Timberland should be considered, but he is more known as a producer I believe.
As far as what's next, I am sure it is not on my radar yet. The new stuff always starts underground first where people are still focused on creativity rather than charts or money. Mainstream music is less willing to take chances on something new unless it has already proved its viability through a swelling underground movement. Mainstream recycles what has worked in the past, usually attempting to repackage old styles and pass them off as new to people who either missed the first go 'round or just forgot about these old styles.
I think novel sound choices might be the easiest way to create something new. There is a lot of music technology geared toward creating and working with sounds in novel ways so the path forward is already there. There are apps that try to create a new spin on composition methods, but they are still based on the same old ideas of composition that worked in the past for the most part. New sounds are easier to accept for an audience compared to radically different composition methods. New sounds can be exciting to most people the first time they hear them, but new composition methods just sound "wrong" to the average person on first exposure.
I listen to the radio in the car still. I hear the pop music that is currently trending. For me, it is quite noticeable that there has been a takeover in pop production by strange EDM based sounds and editing/mixing techniques. The basic song is still pretty bland as far as melody/harmony is concerned, but the beats and sounds used are quite different from what has gone before, and keeps things sounding fresh and new, even though the song structure is pretty basic and follows the usual patterns.
"It doesn't matter who does it first; it matters who does it second"
-David Robert Jones
This.
That's not a very high bar.
I think Wagner is classical music for people who don't like classical music, kind of like Underworld is electronica for rock guys. Which is fine!
But Wagner is no Stravinsky.
It does not matter who was first. It’s who is remembered for it that counts
Yep.
I think that is partly what Bowie was getting at in the quote I provided.
Yet neither are classical music according to the purists.
How about Gustav Holst's The Planets? Listen to that and then listen to some John Williams's Star Wars soundtrack. Or a lot of film music after The Planets for that matter. Obvious influence to me.
That's what I was going for initially, the artists that are most well-known in their particular genre. But I suppose now that the OP was looking for innovation, but not necessarily success.
I don't know about that. Igor makes Anthony Tommasini's Top 10 of all time. Which is just a great and absurd list for a classical critic to make.
But I get your meaning. I'm also kind of partial to the "holy fool" composers, like Arvo Pärt and Henryk Gorecki. But who I never hear mentioned is Alan Hovhaness, whose "Mysterious Mountain" sounds very sympatico to ambient electronica. Hovha! Hovha!
I was specifically talking about the movie score genre, in the context of the thread artists that took a genre to the next level. If you listen to film music from today by e.g. James Horner, it is the exact same type of music, just not as good as Wagner. Wagner originally wanted to be a playwright, a director. His music was a means to an end, to tell a story, and he was so incredibly good at it, that his music works so amazingly well in the movies of today, across very different genres (like Apocalypse Now, Melancholia etc)
And you're right, i don't care much for classical music, nor Opera, but i love the Wagner overtures, or the Ring without words interpretations. I think it is very very different from music that most people associate with the term "classical music"
Totally. He wrote operas! Clearly had a strong visual sense. And it's funny how Hollywood relies on, like, two guys, either James Horner or Hans Zimmer. And they're all imitating John Williams, right?
It's funny, just this morning I returned to Ry Cooder's soundtrack for the Wim Wenders movie "Paris, Texas." That's a work of genius, if you haven't heard it.
I really like Neil Young's soundtrack for Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man.
David Bowie for sure!
Yes, also a great one, although far less soothing.
There are great soundtracks today of course. Like Angelo Badalamenti's stuff in collaboration with David Lynch, genius in his own category. I was merely talking about the orchestral composers, where today's stuff is rather bland, and not that exciting to listen to.
Boards of Canada
, the funny thing is, they don't really have a genre, they created one. They also don't wanna be associated with one, they call themselves just a band. They're themselves big fans of the likes of My Bloody Valentine, the incredible Stringband etc
First time I've ever seen My Bloody Valentine and the Incredible String Band compared!
Yeah, it's weird. I don't see the connection either
Although both bands were totally unlike anyone else, that's for sure.
Fun fact about BoC, they also started making music mainly as part of psychedelic multi media performances slideshows/super 8 movies. Their music, drenched with samples, also has a very strong "visual" character.
"It doesn't matter who does it first; it matters who does it second"
-AudioGus
It could be interesting to match these mentioned artists to the genre(s) in question.