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OT: Partially reassuring stuff about lyrics (Talking Heads in this case)
As a sometime lyric writer I very much appreciate Eno's famous quote about how things start as shit.
Beautiful things grow out of shit. Nobody ever believes that. Everyone thinks that Beethoven had his string quartets completely in his head—they somehow appeared there and formed in his head—and all he had to do was write them down and they would be manifest to the world. But what I think is so interesting, and would really be a lesson that everybody should learn, is that things come out of nothing. Things evolve out of nothing. You know, the tiniest seed in the right situation turns into the most beautiful forest. And then the most promising seed in the wrong situation turns into nothing. I think this would be important for people to understand, because it gives people confidence in their own lives to know that's how things work. If you walk around with the idea that there are some people who are so gifted—they have these wonderful things in their head but and you're not one of them, you're just sort of a normal person, you could never do anything like that—then you live a different kind of life. You could have another kind of life where you could say, well, I know that things come from nothing very much, start from unpromising beginnings, and I'm an unpromising beginning, and I could start something.
One of the ways to remind ourselves of this is by looking at the scribbles and notes of others when we get the chance:
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Thanks for the share JG. I greatly admire Mr Byrne (‘Speaking in Tongues’ gets a LOT of play round these parts), so it’s nice to see scribbles that my overzealous inner critic would have probably shredded (‘Don’t let them see!’) and perhaps followed up with a self-inflicted Chinese burn.
I wonder what first-draft Paul Simon verse looks like.
Interesting. While Eno is correct, of course, in that good things can come from shit, it’s also true that chaos can produce inspiration, such as Bowie’s cut up method for lyric writing. Then there are tiny seeds of an idea, which grow into something far more substantial, perhaps epic stories such as Dylan’s ‘Hurricane’ or Springsteen’s ‘Outlaw Pete.’
Best of all, for me and others of my ilk, is random inspiration. One such instance of this resulted in my personal favourite track from AMFAT the first RTM album, ‘Shadows Past and Future.’ I was on a bus, whose operators were trialing a system which displayed the name of the next stop. In this case Binfield Corner. I’d been past this stop hundreds of times, but had never known what it was called. Just seeing the name sparked an idea for a song about the life of an (imaginary) legendary old blues man, who had played on records by (equally imaginary) blues and soul greats. (-: The end result actually sounded like it was for real.
I am also reminded of what the great Bernie Taupin said when asked about his unusual lyric for the Starship song ‘We Built This City’ .
Interviewer: “What does ‘Marconi plays the mamba’ mean?”
Taupin: “Don’t ask me, I just write it down.”
Paul Simon keeps a notebook where he jots down individual lines that pop into his head and then later he "plagiarizes" himself when he needs a line for a song.
Yes. And no. One of the things about ONLY being a lyric writer is that most of us write fairly intelligibly. I love the bits that get introduced when you start singing the buggers, fitting them, changing them which often feels like them changing themselves. Mysterious. If you're lucky.
I guess I am on the right track........I literally just keep filling notebooks
If poets often commit suicide, it is not because their poems are bad but because they are good. Whoever heard of a bad poet committing suicide? The reader is only a little better off. The exhilaration of a good poem lasts twenty minutes, an hour at most. Unlike the scientist, the artist has reentry problems that are frequent and catastrophic. (Walker Percy)
You Got it.
Similarly, when I first heard some of the bits and pieces that The Beatles released on those Anthology albums, I finally heard them imperfect and not quite as distant from me as before.
Great post @JohnnyGoodyear
Hell, I'm still impressed with those first drafts of Byrne's. They are pretty perceptive and well-observed for someone who adopts a quasi-autistic presentation.
@RUST( i )K . A lot of interesting things going on in that room. But the tape over the skulls’ mouth. Perfect.
I love the story about Binfield Corner. Perfect. Although I have to say, “We Built This City” may be the worst song ever written.
I wish I’d never heard it.
Nice, it does indeed encourage just starting something and not worrying about whether it is up to standard (whatever level that may be).
Actually, more creativity and less consumption is my aim on-going. I have a tendency for perfectionism and can stall at the slightest provocation.
The rabbit hole of YouTube and Appholism doesn't help. And this forum, but I'll allow it.
On the subject of David Byrne I can recommend his book "How Music Works".
Thanks for the book rec, consider it your early Christmas present to me
Always nice to see this forum seasoned with some @JohnnyGoodyear lit bombs. Was reading Primo Levi, Henry Miller (and a poet I had to look up) last time I saw you do one and was reading Walker Percy this week.
Kinda wanted to ask what your other influences were, or if you had a Goodreads, but let it slide..
I am a tart influenced by buildings full of books of all kinds. It is my greatest weakness and pleasure both
On the down side, this thread references "we built this city" (yes, abhorrent). On the plus side, a Walker Percy reference!
Beyond content and referential value I actually think 'Walker Percy' would a great name (or two good words in combination) to use in a song. I encourage anyone reading to go ahead and write something with it before I do...
....or just take what I've started and make something further out of it:
Walker Percy was a wanderer
who did as his name foretold
and he walked on through the fields
and then through the woods he strolled
never stopping for the season
or in the name of bad weather
Walker Percy took his hidden selves
and walked with them together.
He was not wild nor was he angry
just simply scared of what he was
but out alone and walking
he felt better just because.
He'd say:
A man can kill another man
for breathing in one room
a woman can take your heart out
and can break it pretty soon
but here and with my walking
I feel safe from who I am
and one day far beyond
I may become a better man...
Burma Shave
Thank you
Really nice book te read. Gives an inside view of the music business and David himself.
that's pretty amazing - I could just pick up my guitar and perform it right out of nothing...
if the guitar were around...
Nicodemus - Boneman connection
Nice! Would take the bait if I wasn't busy on my current writing for SOTMC.
Absolutely, one of those reads that extends past the process of music making and gives a wider context to it all. I likey at lot.
Just sowing seeds, I hope you find it interesting.
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Thanks.
Shadows Past and Future is track 7, here -
https://repulsethemonkey.bandcamp.com/album/amfat-artificial-music-for-artificial-times
Where does this highway go to?