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Luis Martinez's Mid East Drummer is Out!

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  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @TheVimFuego said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @TheVimFuego said:
    I’m in charge of the grocery shop this week, I can see some gift cards sneaking in there and the receipt mysteriously going missing.

    I was just plotting a similar plot... :smiley:

    The price of unleaded is also unusually high this week.

    It is Chrimble after all and no decent partner would wish to look too closely at the bill when there might be a last minute present beloved on there etc....

    I jest really, my OH is very good on the “to hell with it, just buy it” front.

    I nearly shelled out $200 for the Dropmix game as a family present (by no means pro audio but looks fun) and the only reason I didn’t was it meant braving the masses.

    I have few vices and bringing more music making options into the house is always welcome.

  • I’m loving this.

    $20 sounds like good value to me: high quality, genre specific sounds; a boat load of rhythms; jam settings; randomization to roll your own; and the killer feature - MIDI out!

    When we question the cost, I think what we’re really doing is questioning how many of these low cost apps we can personally justify buying.

  • @gusgranite said:
    I’m loving this.

    $20 sounds like good value to me: high quality, genre specific sounds; a boat load of rhythms; jam settings; randomization to roll your own; and the killer feature - MIDI out!

    When we question the cost, I think what we’re really doing is questioning how many of these low cost apps we can personally justify buying.

    At this price point per ‘Drummer’ app (25$ cad) I am just looking at the accumulation so far and wondering what more expansive options may exist in the PC realm for rhythm generation. I look at how much Gadget purchases crept up on me over the years (before I quit) and am regretting having ever taken that first Korg hit. I do like these Drummer apps but since I am now only interested in the midi part (thanks BM3)... well there may be midi libraries or generators out there I could spend time with on PC, build up a little cache and then just feed off of for a while.... or not. A reduced bundle that I could add to would make me more spontaneous. Hmmm, maybe Rozeta is making me not feel the need for this too....that AU midi is sweet sauce. OK, thats it... if Mid East Drummer were AU midi I would be all in. There, done, heh. ;)

  • @AudioGus what is the equivalent to this suite in the desktop world out of interest?

  • @gusgranite said:
    @AudioGus what is the equivalent to this suite in the desktop world out of interest?

    will let you know my findings.... if any ;)

  • edited December 2017

    @gusgranite said:
    @AudioGus what is the equivalent to this suite in the desktop world out of interest?

    Don't get me started. :)

    First I would say, if you're looking for a budget VST, IMHO Silk Road Percussion from Sonivox is pretty great for the price. It's currently selling for $5 at Reverb.com. You don't need Kontakt. It has a very good Daf and frame drums, and also includes a nice set of Tibetan bowls. While it does include some grooves, you have to supply your own playing or MIDI patterns.

    I have a lot of world percussion on my computer, as it is a personal obsession. Mostly full Kontakt instruments.
    Some of these instruments are very complex. You can get 30 or more different kinds of sounds off of a Daf Frame Drum depending on where you hit it, how you hit it, how you hold it, how you shake it, etc. Each sound is then sampled at different velocity levels because it doesn't just get louder when you hit it--it sounds different. And then there are "round robins" where there are six or more versions of each hit at each velocity level. It can add up to thousands of samples. On top of this they are recorded with several microphones and the user can decide how to mix them.

    Instruments like a Daf are often used as a solo instrument. A performer will go on stage and play her Daf for the whole show. Or maybe there will be a lot of Daf players on the stage.

    The absolute gold standard for world percussion is Evolution World Percussion Series, which is nearly $500 for the whole thing. They sell the Middle Eastern instruments separately for $99, but I picked it up during a recent sale for $50.
    http://evolutionseries.com/?product=world-percussion-middle-east

    Demos:
    https://vi-control.net/community/threads/evolution-series-end-of-year-sale-2017-up-to-50-off.66987/page-2#post-4159071
    I think that Mid East Drummer probably has more grooves, but the sampling is not on the same level as this. This is as good as sampling for the computer has ever been done, including 4 user controllable microphone positions, extensive velocities, etc.

    I recently picked up Eastern Percussion Module, from Zero-G for about $50. This is something very different, it's an ensemble with 15 instruments playing at once, including many Bendirs of various sizes, a Riq, and a bunch of goblet drums--Dohala, Darbuka, Djembe, etc. The sounds are decent, but the MIDI is awesome. There are 82 MIDI grooves with 12 variations each. It is truly a course in middle eastern percussion of all kinds. BTW, this was created by a company called Findasound.net There's a lot of great free melodic and perc loops on their site that would work great with Mid East Drums.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=323&v=MO3_WZ9S1ww

    Sonokinetic, the company behind the Ostinato series, has Sultan Drums, which has a different take. It's essentially a multiple loop player, with a very nice user interface.

    https://www.sonokinetic.net/products/ethnic/sultan-drums/

    Then there are many collections of World instruments, that include middle eastern percussion. The advantages of these kinds of collections is that they also have all kinds of world instruments, not just percussion. The disadvantage is that they can be quantity over quality, although I have found that most of the instruments are great.
    I have World Suite from UVI. (Like most UVI instruments, a lot of this stuff turns up as IAP in Beathawk.) There's a few percussion in there, like Bendirs Darbukas, Tambourin, Daf, etc, as well as a lot of loops.

    One thing you find out when you get into this (I do it largely by watching YouTube videos) is that the instruments are all a bit different from one country to the other--they have different names, have slight variations in the way they are constructed, and are, of course, played differently. The Eastern Percussion Module, seems to be slanted more towards the Egyptian variety, etc. I also have Koron from Impact Soundworks, which is dedicated solely to instruments from Iran. The quality is excellent because it includes very few instruments.

    Another well-known world library is Ra from EastWest/Quantum Leap. This isn't a Kontakt instrument, it runs on EW's play engine.
    http://www.soundsonline.com/ra

  • @Reid what a fantastic rundown. Thank you for that.

  • edited December 2017

    @Reid said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @AudioGus what is the equivalent to this suite in the desktop world out of interest?

    Don't get me started. :)

    First I would say, if you're looking for a budget VST, IMHO Silk Road Percussion from Sonivox is pretty great for the price. It's currently selling for $5 at Reverb.com. You don't need Kontakt. It has a very good Daf and frame drums, and also includes a nice set of Tibetan bowls. While it does include some grooves, you have to supply your own playing or MIDI patterns.

    I have a lot of world percussion on my computer, as it is a personal obsession. Mostly full Kontakt instruments.
    Some of these instruments are very complex. You can get 30 or more different kinds of sounds off of a Daf Frame Drum depending on where you hit it, how you hit it, how you hold it, how you shake it, etc. Each sound is then sampled at different velocity levels because it doesn't just get louder when you hit it--it sounds different. And then there are "round robins" where there are six or more versions of each hit at each velocity level. It can add up to thousands of samples. On top of this they are recorded with several microphones and the user can decide how to mix them.

    Instruments like a Daf are often used as a solo instrument. A performer will go on stage and play her Daf for the whole show. Or maybe there will be a lot of Daf players on the stage.

    The absolute gold standard for world percussion is Evolution World Percussion Series, which is nearly $500 for the whole thing. They sell the Middle Eastern instruments separately for $99, but I picked it up during a recent sale for $50.

    Demos:
    I think that Mid East Drummer probably has more grooves, but the sampling is not on the same level as this. This is as good as sampling for the computer has ever been done, including 4 user controllable microphone positions, extensive velocities, etc.

    I recently picked up Eastern Percussion Module, from Zero-G for about $50. This is something very different, it's an ensemble with 15 instruments playing at once, including many Bendirs of various sizes, a Riq, and a bunch of goblet drums--Dohala, Darbuka, Djembe, etc. The sounds are decent, but the MIDI is awesome. There are 82 MIDI grooves with 12 variations each. It is truly a course in middle eastern percussion of all kinds. BTW, this was created by a company called Findasound.net There's a lot of great free melodic and perc loops on their site that would work great with Mid East Drums.

    Sonokinetic, the company behind the Ostinato series, has Sultan Drums, which has a different take. It's essentially a multiple loop player, with a very nice user interface.

    Then there are many collections of World instruments, that include middle eastern percussion. The advantages of these kinds of collections is that they also have all kinds of world instruments, not just percussion. The disadvantage is that they can be quantity over quality, although I have found that most of the instruments are great.
    I have World Suite from UVI. (Like most UVI instruments, a lot of this stuff turns up as IAP in Beathawk.) There's a few percussion in there, like Bendirs Darbukas, Tambourin, Daf, etc, as well as a lot of loops.

    One thing you find out when you get into this (I do it largely by watching YouTube videos) is that the instruments are all a bit different from one country to the other--they have different names, have slight variations in the way they are constructed, and are, of course, played differently. The Eastern Percussion Module, seems to be slanted more towards the Egyptian variety, etc. I also have Koron from Impact Soundworks, which is dedicated solely to instruments from Iran. The quality is excellent because it includes very few instruments.

    Another well-known world library is Ra from EastWest/Quantum Leap. This isn't a Kontakt instrument, it runs on EW's play engine.
    http://www.soundsonline.com/rav

    Wow, great brain dump! When I mentioned PC options, I probaly wasn’t very clear but
    I was referring to a midi pattern library or midi generator that would essentialy be as expansive (or more so) than the whole of the ‘Drummer’ series on iOS, acting only as ‘midi out’. I have RA, Silk Road and the StormDrum vsts which are great and tons of drum samples for other genres so I am more than happy with my sound library. I was more specificly pondering the existance of a rhythm midi source that spans multiple genres.

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