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OT.: net neutrality

FCC just killed it. How will it affect us in a practical way?

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  • edited December 2017

    Soon we will have to start paying from using this site, so that people at audiobus can pay ransoms to verizon and other providers or they will slow down this site to be unuseable.

  • Don’t think it will affect the average individual...but it could affect potential competitors to companies like YouTube, Netflix etc.

  • It will probably go back to being like it was before net neutralit, remember those days? which is to say, just fine. Perfectly adequate.

  • Hopefully, this thread won't degenerate into another political joust.

    It seems to me the party in power usually gets their way with this kind of stuff. There are already lawsuits in the works to fight it.

    We'll have to see how it plays out, but broadband penetration and speeds in the US are already behind many other developed nations.

  • if this survives, expect to have your ISP start blocking youtube, netflix, spotify etc unless you pay more

  • edited December 2017

    I want to know, if anyone can summarise it for me, what will effectively change: all the apocalyptical FUD and the ideological free-market-isGod-praise (the two sides of the same coin) I already know.

  • edited December 2017

    @wellingtonCres said:
    if this survives, expect to have your ISP start blocking youtube, netflix, spotify etc unless you pay more

    Could be...but if you have Facebook try this experiment: upload the same video to Facebook and YouTube.

    Share both with your “friends” how many of them will see the YouTube version?

    FB is already doing what what the ISP’s might now do.

  • @theconnactic said:
    I want to know, if anyone can summarise it for me, what will effectively change: all the apocalyptical FUD and the ideological free-market-isGod-praise (the two sides of the same coin) I already know.

    There is no simple answer. It's going to depend on the provider. If you're in a competitive market, you may not notice any change. If your provider has a monopoly, who knows?

  • So the most probable answer is “nothing”?

  • With most deregulation moves, it usually leads to stratification, services improving if you can afford it and staying the same or decreasing in quality if you can't. Also I've noticed that things usually become more complex, but saying that it might herald the dawn of a beautiful net era, but human nature being what it is, I remain sceptical.

  • @theconnactic said:
    So the most probable answer is “nothing”?

    Bingo. I'm pretty sure isps can already throttle stuff as long as they disclose they are doing so in a tiny statement buried in a wall of text terms of use agreement

  • Bingo. I'm pretty sure isps can already throttle stuff as long as they disclose they are doing so in a tiny statement buried in a wall of text terms of use agreement

    no, and this is exactly the point. they could not do this.

  • At this juncture of time and space does anyone really care?

  • Folks, if you are in the US, the current Net Neutrality bill went into effect in 2015. That’s 2 years ago.

    If you were fine with the way your internet was working up until 2015, chances are you won’t notice much difference.

  • @knewspeak said:
    At this juncture of time and space does anyone really care?

    There are definitely much bigger problems in the world, but that's how they get over on you -- complacency and apathy.

  • I have a suspicion that most of what they say is going to happen now... has already been happening for a few years. It's just going to be legal and not so much in the shadows now. I'm almost certain I get throttled, and that some premium services get throttled at primetime access times.. but the ISPs swear they aren't doing this.

    My provider AT&T swore they were doing this with my phone service... until it was found they were indeed doing this, violating the law and made to pay a nominal fine. Now, they'll just do it... demand more money, and not have to pay a fine.

  • some of y'all are way too cynical. this is an extremely bad precedent that will result in content being throttled. it won't happen overnight, but if we dont get legislation fixing this, it will be the end of the internet as we've come to know it. the argument that "oh, it'll just be like it was before 2015" is BULLSHIT - just the lie that the oligarchy has been pushing to sell this piece of shit to suckers.

    dont be a sucker. get informed, and start working yer butt off to fix this.

  • @busker said:
    Folks, if you are in the US, the current Net Neutrality bill went into effect in 2015. That’s 2 years ago.

    If you were fine with the way your internet was working up until 2015, chances are you won’t notice much difference.

    That's the main thing in my mind. I also remember a time where I didn't know what a data cap was and now I hear about it all the time. Dunno if that's related. But the internet was definitely doing fine before

  • @RulesOfBlazon said:
    dont be a sucker. get informed, and start working yer butt off to fix this.

    >

    That would require dismantling the corrupt system. A system which would never allow that, and brand anyone who tried a terrorist.

  • A simpler time, when one was thankful for 4.0 kb/s

  • @RulesOfBlazon said:
    some of y'all are way too cynical. this is an extremely bad precedent that will result in content being throttled. it won't happen overnight, but if we dont get legislation fixing this, it will be the end of the internet as we've come to know it. the argument that "oh, it'll just be like it was before 2015" is BULLSHIT - just the lie that the oligarchy has been pushing to sell this piece of shit to suckers.

    dont be a sucker. get informed, and start working yer butt off to fix this.

    Doubleplus this!

  • Industry buttboy/FCC Chairman Ajit Pai will likely continue to make unintentionally hilarious videos. Seriously. Look for them. I am not exaggerating.

  • Saying the reversal of the current net neutrality rules won't change everyone's internet experience overnight is a huge oversimplification of a more sinister and out of control issue.

    Giving more power to monolithic corporations who practice vulture capitalism is not a good idea and will change the internet as we know it. We don't need trickle down internet, where a few billionaires decide what constitutes a "service".

    I'm still in London with the wife, nearing the end of a fortnight here, and this topic (amongst others) has been dominating the conversation with our close musician friends & acquaintances in the music, hospitality & telecom industries. While I'll respect the departing @Sebastian's wishes to avoid political debate, I'll say none of the people I've spoken with and trust see the FCC's decision as a good thing.

  • Don’t care

  • If anyone takes the time to look into the matter rather than just parroting some biased headline they read, they will see that Obama's regulation was unnecessary and a preemptive assumption that capitalism is automatically corrupt. It's the same guilty until proven innocent irrational mindset that is pervading the left at the moment.

    I'm not trying to suggest that there won't be companies that cross the line, I'm just not dumb enough to think that there needs to be a trial before there is a crime.

  • Word!

    @RulesOfBlazon said:
    some of y'all are way too cynical. this is an extremely bad precedent that will result in content being throttled. it won't happen overnight, but if we dont get legislation fixing this, it will be the end of the internet as we've come to know it. the argument that "oh, it'll just be like it was before 2015" is BULLSHIT - just the lie that the oligarchy has been pushing to sell this piece of shit to suckers.

    dont be a sucker. get informed, and start working yer butt off to fix this.

  • Thanks. Good to see that somebody actually is informed in here..

    @JRSIV said:
    Saying the reversal of the current net neutrality rules won't change everyone's internet experience overnight is a huge oversimplification of a more sinister and out of control issue.

    Giving more power to monolithic corporations who practice vulture capitalism is not a good idea and will change the internet as we know it. We don't need trickle down internet, where a few billionaires decide what constitutes a "service".

    I'm still in London with the wife, nearing the end of a fortnight here, and this topic (amongst others) has been dominating the conversation with our close musician friends & acquaintances in the music, hospitality & telecom industries. While I'll respect the departing @Sebastian's wishes to avoid political debate, I'll say none of the people I've spoken with and trust see the FCC's decision as a good thing.

  • @JeffChasteen said:

    @RulesOfBlazon said:
    some of y'all are way too cynical. this is an extremely bad precedent that will result in content being throttled. it won't happen overnight, but if we dont get legislation fixing this, it will be the end of the internet as we've come to know it. the argument that "oh, it'll just be like it was before 2015" is BULLSHIT - just the lie that the oligarchy has been pushing to sell this piece of shit to suckers.

    dont be a sucker. get informed, and start working yer butt off to fix this.

    Doubleplus this!

    But but I was told that everything YOU said was the lie sold to us by the oligarchy! WHAT IS REAL!!!???? Ahhhhhhjbb

  • @boogerboy said:
    If anyone takes the time to look into the matter rather than just parroting some biased headline they read, they will see that Obama's regulation was unnecessary and a preemptive assumption that capitalism is automatically corrupt. It's the same guilty until proven innocent irrational mindset that is pervading the left at the moment.

    I'm not trying to suggest that there won't be companies that cross the line, I'm just not dumb enough to think that there needs to be a trial before there is a crime.

    But locking one's doors before housebreakers roam the neighborhood is merely prudent and good sense.

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