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I bought an iPhone 8 a few weeks ago because my iPhone 6 was having battery issues. The exact issues that the ‘fix’ was supposed to address - sometimes, even at over 50% battery, the phone would just shut down. Not all the time but more than a handful of times. Too many times.
I also bought the iPhone 8 because I wanted a more powerful music experience on iOS 11, keeping the 6 in 10.3 for Jasuto, etc. Would I have waited for iPhone 9, or XI or whatever? Can’t say for sure.
I’m actually thinking about getting the new cheaper battery for the 6 so I can dual-iOS some extended noise out in the wild! I wouldn’t have spent $80 on the battery but $30 might provide enough speed boost per $. Can’t say for sure.
Sounds like a fair deal. Looking forward to see the specifics.
New energy storage technology is badly needed. The current approach is clearly at the end of the tether with electric cars, clean energy (panels, turbines) and electronic devices.
Apple will need to spend some of its capital on research If it wants to stay ahead
Also with the offer, an apology from Apple, let's hope they have learned a lesson.
@supadom: Electric energy storage already has come a loooooong way in recent years, the energy density of Li-Ion cellls in smartphones is really quite astonishing compared to 20 years ago. I'm not sure much better storage capacities can be achieved with chemical batteries...
I'm not sure either but I'm sure this is not the end. In fact it feels like we've only started.
The problem and beauty of progress is the fact that we can't really predict the next big thing. I guess the best indicator of what's coming to consumer market tomorrow is what's being used in military today.
I not so quite sure if this was a clever move by Apple. Starting with intransparency. Now it could be a legal issue that other customer had paid just too much for battery service in the past.
Oh, and still no reaction for European customers. Hmm. Unclever.
@supadom: What's used in military for electrically powering vehicles is mainly nuclear power. A traditional nuclear reactor won't fit in a smartphone no matter how much you scale it down, and the simpler and smaller solution would be a plutonium battery. That has a very high capacity (would last many decades independently of actual consumption), however it is much too expensive. (and people probably wouldn't like it anyway because "it's somehow nuclear and evil" and there's this non-proliferation nonsense).
(I'm not being sarcastic, just evaluating tech and physics
)
With Lithium, I think "peak battery" has pretty much been reached, I don't think there will be much better chemistries developed.
The futüüür:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton-exchange_membrane_fuel_cell
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy
No price drop for Europe?
How much is the price over here? Anyone knows this?
Says here they’ll drop from £79 to £25 in the UK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42508300
Another dent for the brand.
I was pretty critical of Apple in another thread for how they handled this - but I saw this news this morning and was pleased. Not sure if "$29" means that is the cost for dropping it off at a Genius Bar and having the work done with no other additional charges (that's my hope). But if it's what it looks like, I think it's a pretty good gesture towards consumers. Normally, I hit the 2-year mark and am itching to get a new phone. This is my 3rd iPhone since 2012, and I just don't feel that way this time. Not overly impressed by the new iterations, and the removal of the 3.5mm jack and other changes might do as much harm as good. (I have a 6s).
Same! I need more info from my local geniuses...
As far as being able to bring the next big battery tech to market... do you know where Elon Musk's company seems to be headed?
@skiphunt I think they're just further optimizing Li-Ion?
Virtual iCloud Battery would be cool
I’m confused: if updates that built in obsolescence by throttling the battery-
-which had its intended effect of leading users like my wife to buy a new device due to bizarre powerdowns etc
-how would offering to sell us a new (yes cheaper) battery address the root issue?
The batteries weren’t the issue, the way the software mapped power use was the issue.
Correct me if I’m wrong here but Apple isn’t rolling back the built-in-obsolescence software
The fact is that these devices (when not deliberately crippled) last far longer than the upgrade/update cycle imposed by profit motive. And the answer is sell us something else?
Incidentally, replacing the battery doesn’t prevent the shutdowns:
https://www.geekbench.com/blog/2017/12/iphone-performance-and-battery-age/
Only for an iPhone 6 or later. I have a 5 that will barely last a day on standby.
AFAIK you are wrong. Maybe even completely wrong in this issue. Sorry.
First thing: This is NOT planned obs. It has to do with the degrading of older smartphone batteries. All of the things have been explained here. Just read.
Second thing: It is NOT bad will by Apple. The main intention is to prevent sudden turnouts in case of cold environments or in case of a degraded battery. Really: This is a good idea. For the average user it does not mean that the average system speed goes down. Only the high speed (which is very seldomly used!) goes down. Hey, and your iPad is not part of this story - there is no CPU peak throttling - OK?
Third thing: Apple says NOW that they will give the customer the option to see how degraded their battery is. This is a kind of a roll back, if you ask me - and maybe this will include some options to manage the behavior of your iOS device in case of a degraded battery.
see: https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/
"Early in 2018, we will issue an iOS software update with new features that give users more visibility into the health of their iPhone’s battery, so they can see for themselves if its condition is affecting performance."
Additional information:
When your iPhone is completely charged it is VERY unlikely (even with a mildly degraded battery) that you will see or feel CPU peak throttling.
When your iPhone is slow or sluggish, you will usually have a lot of options to optimize your device.
(the same ist true with a sluggish Mac)
I don't understand why they didn't simply push the low power mode in user's face rather than doing it by stealth. If you don't use the low power mode at 20%battery then it serves you right if your phone dies.
Hope these battery checks are available to iPad users too.
meanwhile battery replacement doesn’t stop shutdowns, https://www.geekbench.com/blog/2017/12/iphone-performance-and-battery-age/
and class action suits are already underway
My wife has an iPhone6. I wondered why it did not feel noticeably faster than the 5c.
One would have guessed that starting an app like WhatsApp would be noticeably faster, that it would come a little closer to the speed of a 6S.
Is there a way to check battery health with a free app - a good one preferably?
Some Battery specific data was removed from the API.
Coincidence?
This is a good question - even calling Apple Care only gives you the information "good" or "bad" (replace). Apple has even reduced the available information.
(really bad move, imho)
To get really good information about the battery status you need to talk with a senior advisor, then this man has to write a long question to the "engineers" team (that means: very slow T3 support), and even then there is quite a good chance you and your senior advisor don't get any information about the remaining battery capacity.
(this is part of the really amazing and fully dysfunctional Apple internal information system/biotope)
The good news:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/battery-life-check-runtimes/id1080930585?mt=8
(free)
This simple program just interprets the log files on your device - and offers you a percentage of remaining capacity of your battery.
[some of the can be seen here: privacy-> Diagnostics & Usage (or: analyse)->Diagnostics & Usage Data (or: data or analyse data)]
Funny last word: Apple's developer documentation is a bit (30 months old) outdated here: https://developer.apple.com/library/content/qa/qa1747/_index.html, but gives some small hints.
Your iPad battery should have >80 % capacity after 1000 complete charging cycles (iPhone: 500 cycles) - additionally it is far more complicate to get an iPad battery degrading.
Do we have a statement from Apple which explains at which % battery capacity, or absolute figure, the throttling starts?
I used 2 different apos to display the capacity.
One showed 83%, the other one 77%.
Incidentally, I’ve always found tremendous utility and usefulness of information here: http://batteryuniversity.com