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  • edited December 2017

    @teleb said:
    Do we have a statement from Apple which explains at which % battery capacity, or absolute figure, the throttling starts?
    I used 2 different apos to display the capacity.
    One showed 83%, the other one 77%.

    Apple isn't the master of communication or information. AFAIK throttlings starts at 90 or 92 percent, and additionally reacts to low or high temperature (and geo location, and, and, and,). Usually cpu peak throttling does not start with the beginning of use of your iPhone (depeding on parameters maybe 10 or 15 minutes, slowly stepping down). The first throttling step is to reduce maximum CPU speed (and to disable/change some iOS functions, too!) to 80 percent.

    This is the common behavior for intensively used devices, i would say: For iOS devices which are 6s or newer and about 18 months or older and a history of intensive using.

    The next step starts with 87 percent remaining capacity, cpu peak throttling down to 70 percent maximum speed.

    The next step starts with 80 percent remaining capacity, cpu peak throttling down to 60 percent maximum speed.

    The last step starts with 60 percent remaining battery capacity (very, very unlikely), cpu peak throttling down to 40 percent maximum speed.

    When your device is used to get hot while you charge or while you use it, then
    a) your devices has a kind of a system wide issue (more likely)

    OR

    b) the battery of your device is depleted - capacity below 83 percent or such) - and just behaves like depleted LiPo batteries behave

    OR

    c) You are using an unqualified charger for your iPhone (like the iPad charger or - even more bad - a charger with offers 2,1 Ampere or even 2,4 Ampere: These "fast" chargers help to ruin your iPhone battery much faster. I suppose this is the reason these chargers are considered as "fast" chargers...

    For the most important issue: Most users and developers don't understand what a system wide issue is - and how to get rid of it.

  • @Littlewoodg said:
    meanwhile battery replacement doesn’t stop shutdowns, https://www.geekbench.com/blog/2017/12/iphone-performance-and-battery-age/
    and class action suits are already underway

    Maybe I read this article wrong but I did not take from it that “battery replacement doesn’t stop shutdowns”. Most of what I’ve read online is that replacing the old battery does fix this.
    Apple’s big mistake here was not telling people what was going on all along but it’s not some nefarious plot to make you go buy a new phone. People love to get outraged over anything they do. I’m no huge fanboy but I use Apple products because they are better than the alternative. My opinion of course.

  • I do not believe that this is a planned action to push sales either. Nevertheless it is remarkable in my eyes, that some battery functions information was removed. This is of course something that makes it more suspicious.
    When information policy of the company is not in an optimum state, rumors will result from this. I believe Apple knows this, but they still do the decisions as they do it.

  • @u0421793 said:
    Incidentally, I’ve always found tremendous utility and usefulness of information here: http://batteryuniversity.com

    Yep, me too.

    A lighthearted Google search also brings very interesting results. There is plenty of research out there as I expect the rewards will be handsome.

    The fact is that Apple especially, needs to find a solution as their irreplaceable battery policy has put them in the spotlight. (yes I've heard of Samsung's exploding cells).

    My better half has developed a habit of taking an iPhone charger wherever she goes while I often end the day at 60% with my Galaxy s4 with aftermarket duracell battery. Me keeping my screen at 85% brightness and her at %50.

    Some thing's got to give, soon.

  • edited December 2017

    @yowza said:

    @Littlewoodg said:
    meanwhile battery replacement doesn’t stop shutdowns, https://www.geekbench.com/blog/2017/12/iphone-performance-and-battery-age/
    and class action suits are already underway

    Maybe I read this article wrong but I did not take from it that “battery replacement doesn’t stop shutdowns”. Most of what I’ve read online is that replacing the old battery does fix this.
    Apple’s big mistake here was not telling people what was going on all along but it’s not some nefarious plot to make you go buy a new phone. People love to get outraged over anything they do. I’m no huge fanboy but I use Apple products because they are better than the alternative. My opinion of course.

    The part that says shut downs continued after replacement is a quote from someone on reddit, in the bottom of the Geekbench piece (after the benchmark graphs)...just people online reading other people online, who knows.

    Personal experience hasn’t proven that replacing the battery doesn’t fix the throttling or shut downs, but did prove another part of the same article: when random shutdowns started to happen on my wife’s phone, the thought wasn’t “replace battery” to the tune of $80, now $30, it was “get a new phone” to the tune of a few hundred dollars.

    This because the issue of random shutdowns, and performance slowdowns and it’s cause, (the iOS) had been known to Apple, but not to it’s customers, until their recent apology. Maybe some people get outraged over anything Apple does (I don’t), and maybe people give Apple the benefit of the doubt, because they drank the koolaid and “think [Apple is] different” than other corporations (I don’t). I do know Apple shareholders benefit when 2-3 year old devices “fail” and customers are moved to buy a new device, rather than replace a battery, and that Apple removed customer access to battery metrics on their device, and that Apple didn’t issue an apology until it was caught. Cui bono?
    Not really nefarious, just business.

  • edited January 2018

    Wow, just replaced the battery in my 4S. It wasnt part of the 'new deal' but damn is it super speedy now.

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