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CPU flaw could result in noticeable OS slowdown - Mac, Windows, Linux

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  • Is my Atari ST going to be OK?

  • @Iso said:

    @Reid said:
    People on the VI:Control forum (mostly professional computer composers) are freaking out. They think there could be as much as a 30% hit in performance when the patch is put in. They're worried it might make certain kinds of very heavy DAW use impossible. They worry it could be bad enough to cause latency. Some people are disconnecting their computers from the internet so as not to get the patch.

    Here's the thread:
    https://vi-control.net/community/threads/intel-nightmare.67891/
    If you read it, you'll see that there are some that aren't that worried. But the news is coming out slowly.

    And note this about iPhones, iPads, iPods, and Apple TVs
    https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/04/cpu-bug-iphone-ipad-ipod-apple-tv/

    Thank You, for posting this, it's good to hear how other producers are dealing with this situation. I reckon i made the right decision to disable windows updates last night.. I will wait until the patch is more mature, and re-asses the implications then. I ran a Geekbench test today, so i will be able to compare any changes if and when i apply any forthcoming updates. Thanks again Reid......cheers..........

    Seems the reported performance hit has been overblown. Apple said they have already updated MacOS and iOS for Meltdown and no one noticed. For Spectre the biggest risk is JavaScript and they will be updating Safari soon.

  • More in the news this morning.

    Meltdown and Spectre: All Mac devices affected, says Apple

    Apple has said that all iPhones, iPads and Mac computers are affected by two major flaws in computer chips.
    It emerged this week that tech companies have been racing to fix the Meltdown and Spectre bugs, that could allow hackers to steal data.
    Apple said it had already released some patches but there was no evidence that the vulnerability had been exploited.
    But it advised downloading software only from trusted sources to avoid "malicious" apps.
    Mac users have often believed that their devices and operating systems are less vulnerable to security issues than, for example Android phones or computers running Microsoft systems.

    But the Meltdown and Spectre flaws are found in all modern computer processing units - or microchips - made by Intel and ARM, and together the firms supply almost the entire global computer market.
    "These issues apply to all modern processors and affect nearly all computing devices and operating systems."
    Apple said it had already released "mitigations" against Meltdown in its latest iPhones and iPad operating system update - iOS 11.2 and the macOS 10.13.2 for its MacBooks and iMacs.
    Meltdown does not affect the Apple Watch, it said, as the bug was an issue with Intel processors which are not contained in that device.
    Patches against Spectre, in the form of an update to web browser Safari, will be released "in the coming days".
    Google and Microsoft have already issued statements telling users which products are affected by the bugs.
    Google said its Android phones - which make up more than 80% of the global market - were protected if users had the latest security updates.
    And Microsoft has already released fixes for many of its services.

  • Excellent summary of the state of play today: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/05/spectre_flaws_explained/

    NB There are 2 pages.

  • What about older hardware and people won‘t can‘t or plan to update to the latest OS.
    Another masterplan to sell us new faster hardware?
    Where is my tin foil cap.....

  • Only Apple watch is save (more or less).
    Logic for Apple watch please :)

  • @Cib said:
    What about older hardware and people won‘t can‘t or plan to update to the latest OS.
    Another masterplan to sell us new faster hardware?
    Where is my tin foil cap.....

    Noooooo! Don’t start this please!

    @Cib said:
    Only Apple watch is save (more or less).
    Logic for Apple watch please :)

    Apple Watch doesn’t use speculative execution. Probably executes in order. That’s the theory.

  • @Lacm1993 said:

    @Cib said:
    What about older hardware and people won‘t can‘t or plan to update to the latest OS.
    Another masterplan to sell us new faster hardware?
    Where is my tin foil cap.....

    Noooooo! Don’t start this please!

    @Cib said:
    Only Apple watch is save (more or less).
    Logic for Apple watch please :)

    Apple Watch doesn’t use speculative execution. Probably executes in order. That’s the theory.

    :D Sorry.
    But really.....Apple seems to already adressed parts of it but macOS 10.13.2 and iOS 11.2.
    But what is with older OS or devices which can´t even update?
    I hope they get these secure updates too.

  • Back to hardware :)

  • @Mark B said:

    @Iso said:

    @Reid said:
    People on the VI:Control forum (mostly professional computer composers) are freaking out. They think there could be as much as a 30% hit in performance when the patch is put in. They're worried it might make certain kinds of very heavy DAW use impossible. They worry it could be bad enough to cause latency. Some people are disconnecting their computers from the internet so as not to get the patch.

    Here's the thread:
    https://vi-control.net/community/threads/intel-nightmare.67891/
    If you read it, you'll see that there are some that aren't that worried. But the news is coming out slowly.

    And note this about iPhones, iPads, iPods, and Apple TVs
    https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/04/cpu-bug-iphone-ipad-ipod-apple-tv/

    Thank You, for posting this, it's good to hear how other producers are dealing with this situation. I reckon i made the right decision to disable windows updates last night.. I will wait until the patch is more mature, and re-asses the implications then. I ran a Geekbench test today, so i will be able to compare any changes if and when i apply any forthcoming updates. Thanks again Reid......cheers..........

    Seems the reported performance hit has been overblown. Apple said they have already updated MacOS and iOS for Meltdown and no one noticed. For Spectre the biggest risk is JavaScript and they will be updating Safari soon.

    i hope your right. Trouble is both Intel and Apple are referring to the average user, which means surfing the net, checking social media, and maybe a bit of video/photo uploads and light editing work. Large audio projects, with lots of vst's/vsti's, huge sample libraries ,and multi tracking live musicians in real time at high sample rates and low buffer settings doesn't really fall into this category. People are benchmarking DAW performance on all platforms & OS before and after patching as we speak, hopefully the news will be good. However in the meantime, if you have a machine that works, it is probably wise to defer any updates to the OS until the results are in, and we have more information about the long term implications. Just make sure your third party virus protection is up to date and working properly, and avoid downloading any new software off the net for the time being.........

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  • @Max23 said:
    We are all doomed. This stuff has been around for 10 years.
    And I am pretty sure organisations with 3 letter acronyms knew all about it.
    No need to wear a tin foil hat for this one.

    I finally agree with you ;)
    Good that my life is too boring to be hacked.
    But since it´s public now and big servers might be the most interesting targets they must react now.
    I´m also a bit worried about SSD performance, audio latency etc. On booth iOS and mac.
    These things are not 100% fixed and we don´t know what will happen next with our OS.
    If we talking about less than 5% performance minus it still sucks but i can live with it if the other solution would be to go off the net for ever.
    But just in case.....i will put on my tin foil hat for a while

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  • Once again handily confirming my move to more and more hardware

  • Here was me, all concerned about the last Studiomux update not working properly (fixed now), when i should have been up in the loft hunting down my old knackered portastudio, and seeing if it still works..............

  • A part of what they wrote:
    „All Mac systems and iOS devices are affected, but there are no known exploits impacting customers at this time. Since exploiting many of these issues requires a malicious app to be loaded on your Mac or iOS device, we recommend downloading software only from trusted sources such as the App Store.“
    But i don‘t trust the new app store ;)

  • The 6809 processors in my Oberheim Matrix 1000 synths should be safe.

  • Mr. Babbage has a certain smile.

  • @knewspeak said:
    Yes iOS devices could very well see a massive boost in sales too.

    Well, if only Apple hadn't confirmed that all iOS devices are affected too :(

  • "Chipocalypse Now: Race for high-speed processors behind Intel chip security fiasco"
    Great Headline heres the link;
    https://news.sky.com/story/chipocalypse-now-race-for-high-speed-processors-behind-chip-security-fiasco-11196352

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  • Seems like there is an info war going on. U.K. Channel 4 news this evening ran a short piece which didn't mention Intel once. The whole story was about the latest crisis to hit Apple products since the battery fiasco, and how even the iPhone X, with apples latest and greatest chip will be affected. They are all desperate to blame each other at the moment.......Intel have taken the biggest hit so far though.......looks like their PR machine is working full on to deflect the blame off them...........the plot thickens.........

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  • @Cib said:
    What about older hardware and people won‘t can‘t or plan to update to the latest OS.
    Another masterplan to sell us new faster hardware?
    Where is my tin foil cap.....

    :D

  • At the end of the day, it is what it is........... All computers maybe efffected by this, but it all depends on what Apple & Microsoft do to adjust, or fix the situation?........ sounds to me like a Silicon Flu epidemic......... I'm sure the Big Boys will find an Anti Biotic for it..

  • @studs1966 said:
    At the end of the day, it is what it is........... All computers maybe efffected by this, but it all depends on what Apple & Microsoft do to adjust, or fix the situation?........ sounds to me like a Silicon Flu epidemic......... I'm sure the Big Boys will find an Anti Biotic for it..

    Yes, but the problem is set in silicon.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @studs1966 said:
    At the end of the day, it is what it is........... All computers maybe efffected by this, but it all depends on what Apple & Microsoft do to adjust, or fix the situation?........ sounds to me like a Silicon Flu epidemic......... I'm sure the Big Boys will find an Anti Biotic for it..

    Yes, but the problem is set in silicon.

    On desktop you can use Serum as plug-in and it will heal your CPU if you are creative with it.
    But beware of Bazille :D

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