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Anyone using Zoom R24 or R16 with iPad ?
I am preparing for an upgrade....the upgrade is intended to give me easier recording (not rendering) and to alleviate storage issues on my 16 GB Mini2 ...
I have a budget of around £400...
I have narrowed down my choices to 2 main options.
iPad 2017 128GB
Zoom R24
Both have their benefits and drawbacks......the BIG unknown for me at the moment is how to sync the Zoom R24 to MIDI Clock and my external gear (Circuit, Electribe 2 Sampler + Synths)
I know that sync can be achieved using the Korg SQ1....can anyone confirm if sync can be done in the same way but using the Electribe 2 sampler ?
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I am extremely curious about the R24.... @AndyPlankton looking forward to reading about your findings
Are you sure the Zoom R24 supports MIDI sync at all?
I guess you'd rather have to go with Roland or Yamaha, or do all recording on the iPad plus an appropriate multichannel audio interface (which you seem to own already).
If you plan to not only record tracks but also edit them, you'll have a much more powerful solution and much faster workflow that's almost as portable as the R24.
How many channels of simultaneous recording do you really need?
There’s that new Zoom 12 track bit it’s more money
R24 does not support MIDI Sync, cannot find a current multitrack in that price range that does....You can however use one of the outputs to provide a sync signal recognised by Korg SQ1/Volca/Electribe.......What I am wanting to know is if the electribe 2 will take that sync and then output MIDI Clock...which I can then sync other stuff too, like you can do with the SQ1.
I only currently have a stereo interface so limited to one track at a time, plus my current 16GB limit on iPad means Audio tracks have to be used sparingly if I want more than 1 project at a time....I could quite easily record 4 stereo and 2 mono tracks simultaneously at the moment....(too much even for the R24 which has 8 track record)
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an interface for that is going to be quite expensive.....the more recent L12 from zoom is class compliant and could be used as a multi interface but I don't think it will do the stand alone recording in the same way the R24 does, the R24 workflow is a pretty close match to what I need...unfortunately the R24 isn't class compliant, if it was it would be a no brainer.....so If I commit to it, I am pretty much saying goodbye to multitrack-recording on the iPad, however I could quite easily transfer tracks recorded on the R24 into Cubasis/Auria for more detailed editing....the idea is to make the recording as easy as possible.
If I get the new iPad instead, I would then need to spend just as much again to get 8 track input
I am still very much in 2 minds with this at the moment, current issues that users are having with iOS11.2.2.and DSP spikes with audio crackling is making me dubious about committing fully to iPad as my main recorder. Investing in the R24 instead is far cheaper but the lack of Class compliance makes it a dead investment in terms of direct DAW recording unless I move to Desktop.
I have watched many very boring videos on it, and the workflow looks very good for my needs. If it was class compliant I would have no qualms about diving straight in, without that I need to be 100% sure I can sync it.
You’ve got me interested in this too - does a heck of a lot for £275.
It does....and no messing with updates breaking things, it would also allow me to use the iPad for the interesting things rather than the mundane
Although to sync you may need to factor in £100 for SQ1. I'm hoping my electribe will do the job, just can't seem to get any confirmation of it.
I can try and emulate it using the iPad I guess...send a signal from that to the electribe and see if it sends the MIDI clock...hmm..hadn't thought of that...that's one of tonight's experiments sorted
Seems to be quite a range of prices for it, up to £440 some places, so that’s a good deal if you get it.
I want to record the OP1, guitar, iPad and whatnot live, but like you I’ve only got a single interface. This looks like it’d do the job as a mixer/interface, with live recording as a bonus.
Probably quite portable too, so I can take it out for recording jams.
Auria, Cubasis, MultitrackStudio, one day also BM3 and NanoStudio 2 maybe
I guess not. The Electribe will send and receive MIDI clock, as well as send and receive analog sync, but how to configure the Electribe 2 to reliably convert between them has to be answered by an actual ET2 owner here ... anybody??
What you describe would be a task for something like the Waveclock from wavesum.net (software) or Redsound Micro (hardware).
I had a very close eye on the R24 too, but a few years ago, it wasn't so easy to have an 8-channel USB audio/MIDI interface that is both compatible with the iPad and can charge it during use. Now with Cubasis or Auria and the USB3 CCK combined with e.g. a Zoom UAC-8, you not only have better audio quality than with the R24, but editing comfort is miles ahead and the added MIDI and audio channels are very useful with other apps/instruments. I got me a cheap used Roland UA-1000 as an ADAT ADC/DAC and now with the UAC-8 I have 16 analog audio i/o channels on the iPad. I got the UAC for 349,-, pretty good deal, might be worth looking around a bit.
Add all the required cables and power supplies to both the R24 and the iPad setup and the difference in portability is small. Except that with an iPad, you're able to simply disconnect the Lightning plug and continue editing during a coffee break at the diner
Right, it will be an investment. Luckily, used iPads still go for good cash so you might be able to subtract $200 or so from the bill. And I agree, 16GB is too little headroom, you'll want 32GB definitely. A 2nd hand iPad Air 32GB should be more than sufficient.
I'm sure that once you have recorded and edited audio and MIDI simultaneously directly on the iPad, you're going to wonder why you even considered the R24 in the first place.
I cannot say anything about iOS 11, my iPads are on 8.x and 9.x and recording 8 audio channels simultaneously is a no-brainer. Maybe wait a few weeks until enough people can confirm that iOS11 has become fit for audio production in the meantime?
Yep
and SD card storage so no worries about filling it up, you can even import audio from USB devices, so I could have a library of loops/samples on my 200GB usb hard drive.....it really is an attractive option.
The price does fluctuate on them, I think Gear4Music had them for £309 last week, this week it's £439....£275 is the lowest I've seen. Studiospares have a price match on it for genuine quotes, so as long as those £275 are genuine
Yes, the mobile 8 track recording aspect does open up other opportunities, Also if 8 track record gets limiting, you can chain 2 together to get 16 track record and 48 track playback, if you can get them for £275, thats a 48 track console for £550
I think there are some limitations on the tracks, still looking into this...I think it is actually 8 mono and 8 stereo giving you the 24 tracks (not 100% sure on this), and if you use the sampler, each sampler voice uses a track.
It is the sampler, drum track and track sequencing that sets this apart from the R16 which doesn't have any of that.
You can record your tracks in bits or as loops, and then use the track sequencer to put them together into your song...then you can play that back while recording something else onto other tracks...
Hmmm...I probably wouldn’t need those, and the R16 is even cheaper. Hmmm....
You are the patient reasoned devil on my left shoulder, who I have spoken to many many times regarding this....I am currently listening to the less patient devil on my right shoulder
My budget is £400, I have this budget as a result of xmas and birthday cash received (or due to receive shortly), so could have a similar budget again this time next year.
my iPad mini 2 is not worth a lot so wouldn't get much in return for it, it is functioning perfectly well and actually I would probably keep it anyway to allow me to use it as an instrument when a new iPad is acting as the recorder.
Portability isn't really a major concern, overall size and footprint is though.
Other considerations are that the Zoom is an all in one, so no future upgrade apart from complete replacement.
I still keep coming back to the zoom though....perhaps it is fond, and probably idyllic, memories of those portastudios I used to use.
The question is, Am I patient enough to wait another year in order to get a multi-channel interface in order to complete my upgrade ? And still have the threat of it all breaking due to an update
Result !
If 16 tracks is enough, and you are going to work with full audio tracks only, then the R16 will do the job
Check this vid though, just to be sure
Thanks Andy, I need to do a bit of research tonight!
I’ve got a Yamaha mixer, but it’s heavy, gets really hot, and is a bit of a fiddle to setup.
I’m after something more portable for jamming with others, and smaller for home. The recording option on the Zooms is a real bonus, means I wouldn’t have to lug a mixer and a laptop to jam sessions.
This year’s plan is to get out and play with other musicians more, so something like this would fit the bill nicely.
A new option to chew over. Keep us posted with what you decide to go with.
It will run for a few hours on 6 AA batteries too
I'll be sure to keep you posted on what I find 
Well it has sockets for sync in/out
What i need to confirm is whether it will send MIDI Clock based on sync input...I think i can test that now...and will do tonight
Please report your findings
I'm curious too! Make sure your adapter cables work well, the original ones have often failed making people think that Midi Sync does not work.
The cables are ok, I currently use MIDI sync from Electribe to Circuit and iPad
My mate’s just ordered the R16, after I sent him a link to that and the 24 (he’d been looking for mixer ideas for ages).
I’ll go and have a butchers when it arrives, and let you know what I think.
Sweet...hope he enjoys it, and tell him thanks for being a guinea pig
let me know how you both find it 
Turned up this morning, he seems happy with it. I’ll go and have a look sometime next week
Initial signs are good then
watching this thread with interest
Hey @AndyPlankton any news on this? Did you decide on the R16 or R24? Are they class complaint? Wonder if anyone else has given these a shot. I'm wondering if they are better choice than H6 for a similar price point.
https://www.zoom-na.com/products/production-recording/live-sound-recording/zoom-livetrak-l-12
Just one comment on finding an affordable recorder/mixer to use with the iPad... argghghhghgg!!.
It’s bloody hard to find any decent info. I was about to buy a used R24, sweet deal, just double checked and... seems like R24 is not class compliant and won’t work with an iPad. This what I’ve found in various posts and random sources about affordable recorder/mixers...
So.
To me, midi sync is a big plus (Must) if you’re gonna be doing sequences and rhythm on the iPad, you needed to sync things to be able to add layers.
I intend to not use a daw to record while in the creative process. But I’d want to use the iPad as a sound generator (obvious) and, importante and seems like not that obvious, as an EFFECTS unit.
So I can record a guitar part and add Nembrini amp sim and NuRack and whatever with the iPad, during and/or after recording. To do this you’d need to mix signal sources and be able to route signal from mixer to iPad and back on a mixer channel. Ideally vía usb (otherwise you’d need a second sound card for the iPad to use as a cabled (audio) fx loop. Seems like the Tascam model 12 is capable of this, although there’s hardly any info on such specific scenarios.
As is often the case I’m thinking it’s crazy that what I’m asking for is not the most obvious scenario.
Tascam model 12 seems like the smartest product. Too bulky and heavy in my opinion, I’d rather something like the R24 was compliant, had more outputs and routing, and midi... I don’t really need a full fledged mixer and the R24 is more of a daw substitute thing.
Mixer with recorder and iPad as effects patchbay plus synths... If I was twice as smart and half as lazy I’d do the damn thing myself!.
What did you get in the end?
Same situation myself, needing a multitrack recorder with ipad audio interface capabilities, that can act as a mixer as well.
have you considered the zoom r20 as well?
having 3x synths, the r20 would fit the bill except for the nonsensical xlr inputs.
The tascam model 12 is at the top of my list at the moment, but have heard several people online having power issues.
The zooml12 would be perfect if it wasn’t that you can’t swap tracks (!!!).
I’m also considering the presinus ar12c as I like the ability to stream from a phone via bluetooth, but the lack of built-in multitrack recording is not great.
Best
Luca
I own the R8. It works as a audio interface for Ipad or desktop. And obviously as a stand alone multi track recorder. It only has two audio inputs, so you can´t use this one as a live mixer. And the R8 also works as a memory card reader.
What I do is record an audio signal in real time from the headphone output, a jamtrack from my Ipad as a sound source to the R8. And from that point there is no way to add layers in a sequenced way. Off course when you play live instruments well and in time, that is not a real problem. If a take fails, then you try again.
Other more time consuming method is transfer audio files from Ipad to the R8 (with a memory card).This way you can add later on in the process extra audio files that are still in sync with the first audio tracks that act as foundation for the tempo. Or the other way around, transfer from Ipad a base tempo track (like a drum track), record your live instruments on the recorder, and transfer the new live recordings back to Ipad to finish and mixdown a track in a DAW.
And I have read about recording a time code signal on a track, and send this to a device (through the headphone output) that transforms this signal into midi clock. (my old Roland MC-50 mk2 could do this). But that is too much of a hassle for me. And I think there are devices that can transform a drum sound like a rim shot or metronome into midi clock. Problem is you have to adjust the latency between devices, I think it still is a lot of work to get it right.
The beauty of the R8 is that is also has a drum machine, and guitar and other EFX, and even an effect to change guitar into bass guitar. The R8 is pretty complete for me and has a nice interface. I also own an Roland multi track (VS-840 GX) from the past, with midi connection, but that one is a pain to use, way too complex to get a simple task done.
The R8 also uses a standard file format, other multi trackers use their own compressed format, and to exchange files, you need to transcode the files first. That is also a pain.
For a while I was pretty productive recording-wise with an R16 for my modular+drum machine setup. It was good for capturing ideas in a single take, and could also serve for overdubbing live material. It was plainly designed for capturing live bands rather than being an integrated tool for heavily sequenced music, where being able to overdub in sync is necessary. There are tricks to achieve sync, but as raabje wrote, they're a hassle.
I recommend these if all you want is something to quickly capture ideas as they're flowing out of your system. Some folks just hit record and capture everything they do, then go back later to sort out the good stuff.
The kind of tight control you get from a DAW won't be present, though. In some ways having a glorified tape machine forces you to let go of so much control and just dig into the music as it is, which is liberating . . . but only efficient at producing release-worthy music if you're very good at playing your instruments.
This postmodern reel-to-reel experience puts into focus how much practice you've really done.