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I will not update anymore.
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Some strange (but interesting) movements lately (year and a half going on Apple and influencing devs) makes me mic drop
To name a few:
- iOS bugs and GUI over stability.
- iPad mini series being discontinued.
- No Pro store or real improvements forcing developers to subscription model.
So I’m most into search for standalone hardware and forget about iOS as musical platform since I need stability, portability and contained priced not dependent from strategy model changes or subscription. Meanwhile I’m done, no more updates into my iDevices and just go from here making music and stop waiting for anything new coming.
That’s my statement, now share your thoughts and feelings.
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I’m going to concentrate on making music with what I have and stop falling for all the distractions. I made more music with my old Tascam 688 and Korg Trinity & i30 Arranger Synths than I have done since I sold it. So my lesson learned in all this, is to learn what I’ve purchased, learn it well inside out and make music. So far my setup is rock solid stable at least for my creative flow, so if it ain’t broke.....
My 2 cents
Well, it’s your fault for buying more apps than was necessary. Should have stuck with just a handful and not been greedy.
I wouldn’t call it greedy just appholism syndrome.
Always trying to see what the new stuff could bring to my creative flow. Unfortunately, I found it has been way more distracting than creating. So for now back to rocking bro!
Looking at used prices on Air 1 or 2, mini 2 or 3 and comparing them to the Pro lineup, you could probably get 3 or 4 older devices for the price of a newer one. Add a small mixer and you could dedicate each device to one or two apps and end up with a really powerful and stable setup!
Ableton Link makes this kind of thing very easy to get working instantly.
soz wrong thread
Stick it to the man!...I’m sure apple will learn it’s lesson.....hahaha
Seriously...to each it’s own. I “don’t care” in the sense that I’m going to keep using my iPad and software in general because i like it.
Software has bugs and apple it’s not perfect. (For example, Right now getting the audio working on my Linux system has been an impossible feat...)
The iPad mini thing...if you made a product and not enough people buy it to make it worthwhile or it doesn’t make sense in your lineup anymore, what would you do?
Subscription models work for almost everyone in any industry as far as I have read (fewer numbers but much more engagement, more revenues, more financial stability, etc). It’s not because of the lack of a “pro store” in iOS that everyone it’s using subscription models nowadays.
Regarding iOS apps There’s a few where it doesn’t makes sense and hopefully that will be addressed in the future. ¿Pay updates?
My actual workflow but side to side to old hardware (grooveboxes, samplers, etc) not so cheap as it was with before generations (iPhone 4s, 5/s...) and then the OS updates, lag...
Mc909 for 400€ in my area or even Volcas/Mpc1000 are getting more brightness into my eyes each day gone. I will keep my iDevices but not more updates and not more live gigging with them.
I recently expanded my little hardware setup, the most recent addon was a Digitakt.
The last app I had similar fun with is GR-16, but hitting real buttons does make a big difference for me. It means no more hit and miss and faster and more precise control. It also feels more comfortable.
For many isolated tasks, the iPad is still a nice gadget: As Sound FX, synth, looper, audio recording and for simple editing, even as a quick mobile compositional utility or simple DJ app.
I'm most happy when using the iPad only for what it's good at and don't expect too much.
Combining hardware groove boxes or sequencers with iOS apps means that the choice of apps that really work well is very small and quite limiting. Slave Synchronization of iOS apps over MIDI from external hardware often means you have to stay with older apps that did it well.
I have also stopped to update iOS regularly because nothing kills creativity more than when your favourite app doesn't work the way it did before.
I’m not so confident. I don’t want to depend on them anymore.
Me too but stop updating and even start considering jailbreak.
Yes and Raspi could be one of the paths to pursue...
I understand the thought rear that but you lost a costumer when there isn’t a true alternative. IPhone 6s and above aren’t my cup of tea. Some apps aren’t compatible with iPhone and I will never use them on that format anyways.
Couldn’t be but anyways it isn’t my cup of tea neither. Not everyone as example Affinity vs Adobe.
I have mostly what I need in app terms but I need stability and keep things working (lately some bugs are breaking third party hardware compatibility etc)
I don’t trust in Apple anymore and brands pursuing its trace are being banned from my trusted brands too.
This resume quite right my feelings.
I would pay Apple 99 cents a month for iWillmanagethismyself, a service which stops my devices asking me to update to iOS 11
I’m pretty happy with what I have app wise. Being an Air2 user, I would like to upgrade, but Apple haven’t hit the magic price / spec point of late (that they did with my Air2).
I have such a choice of sound makers, fx and hosts that I’m really the weakest link in my music making chain. The only thing that worries myself is how sustainable is the iOS music making market? What happens when the apps I love no longer work because the devs can no longer afford their upkeep?
What happens when Apple change things where my loved apps stop working for the sake of some stupid functions designed just to keep their mass market players happy? I’ve already noticed that while iOS 11 seems stable enough for my apps, lots of settings need switching off so that the battery lasts or my iPad does not get too hot.
Yep I don’t see many more updates in this iPads future.
I’m hoping the next iPad Apple release is another cheap one, but this time based on my Air2 and not the Air1.
welcome to the club - updates (today) are my most hated feature
once there was a time when things were improved, but it's long gone - I had some high hopes when IOS started to become serious with Animoog, iElectribe, SamplR and Multitrack-DAW. JamUp was the first amp sim that really convinced me and I praised Audiobus.
But then ... rant snipped
So I just don't mind anymore and there's still a ton of stuff to use on it's own.
AUM makes a great digital patchbay, the PPG apps, Zeeon and DRC turn the iPad into hardware (with a littke help from an interface), Holderness, Apesoft/Amazing Noises and the AD480 reverb make an excellent FX-unit, iVCS3, M3000 and Fairlight CMI are emulations with soul.
Bottomline: it was real cheap for what it delivered
Major blame goes to Apple, for it would be easy (and affordable) to open a pro style marketing. Maybe not for the big and fast cash, but shurely for prestige.
There's still an enormous potential under the hood, but access to the goodies seems overly hard with the focus on social bla bla and gimmicky features.
Some blame goes to developers, who fall into the trap of feature while neglecting workflow and focus. The amount of amateurish approaches is simply stunning.
This brings up an interesting situation. How shall one ensure the longevity of our compositions, given that the thing we composed it in may not work in the distant future? Should we dump everything to midi files and hope for the best? Is there a better alternative?
just ignore the update call(s) and if nothing helps, disconnect the iDevice from the internet.
I did with my WinXP system.
Atm my most used Desktop is a Powermac G3 with Pro Tools TDM running MacOS 9.
About 18 years old, no support, no updates, but works like a charm
Wow. I dumped my Powermac out the door about ten years ago. I did briefly work at a place once (Emap, actually) where they kept a few 68040 macs which were the only ones that ran a certain bit of software which kept the database which generated the body copy for Brad (the business rates and data directory for the media ad business). I had to run a pre-OS X mac to export the data and massage it into a very prehistoric version of QuarkXpress. I think when I walked out was the point at which the paper version shut down and they went fully online.
A way around the ipad mini being dropped is to get a pair of oversized gloves that are touch screen compatible. I'm not a fan of the yearly upgrade cycle, wish they would go to a two year cycle, especially with osx, as apple os's have usually been buggy on the first few point releases, solid on the later updates, I've tried to always wait a bit.
Although I upgraded to sierra yesterday and everything is good so far, got back 20gb, but that was the last version, after the bugs have been ironed out. With my air 2 I'm not moving passed ios 10, even with the temptation of the files app, garageband etc, got quite a few great 32bit apps. Its far too easy to get distracted by the newness especially with apple, I've got apps on my ipad 1 that I don't have access to anymore that I really enjoyed using. So this year I might get all my old ios devices out and rediscover old gems, then get a new ipad, go on an app rampage and forget about all my old devices, hamster in a wheel style.
if they would just implement midi in and out on all of these apps the iPad would be the greatest sound module of all time, and fit lusciously in with any other setup one might be running.
For me the iPad 2017 9.7 128 gig is pretty much all will need going forward. After I did all of Brambos tweaks per his thread and disabled all things Siri anywhere and everywhere, this thing is snappy as a new mustang gt.
so as soon as I get a stable setup going, I’m gonna just stay put and record and make music. Will not update unless I’m absolutely positive it’s worth it.
I wasnt going to do 11, but then Rozeta...
it was worth it (all I really lost was Electrify NXT, and some banks from Alchemy - Alchemy still lives in ipad 1, iOS 5, and the older Electrify lives there too, oh and the ability to ACP out of iSequence, which @giku_beepstreet said he would address)
now I probably will stop running the rat race
(Pending any further @brambos breakthroughs)
The Air 2 in present state is more than adequate for my needs, and issues with Pro models I’ve read about here have made me feel real nice about my Surface Pro 3 and Bitwig etal.
Mini 4s will be in stores a few years longer. Just stock up on them while you can afford to.
Along with the stuff that got stranded on old windows software? There is no such thing as safe platform. Software comes and goes. Stems or midi. Or really, just worry about the finished product; are you really going to go back and change something?
Export audio then back it up in a few places. The only bulletproof solution in my experience.
Mixdown - - - Master - - - Release/Discard
Rinse and Repeat
If others can't enjoy it it is not music.
Agreed. Audio and deadlines.
Snap @Littlewoodg
I wasnt going to do 11, but then Rozeta....
So was a good reason,
But no more updates, and going to buy no more apps this year.....I am looking forward to becoming the master of every app I own ,
And perhaps the only new apps that might get by my tight security will most probably be made by Bram
Launch pad mini arriving tomorrow, that digitact drum machine looks sweet also,
my iPad on ios11 will just have to plod on, but this year with me accepting iPad limits and just moving on when things don't work/connect
2018 with no more updates, and acceptance of iPad limits might turn into my most productive year yet
What is raging is that idevices have potential to be what they should be regarding their hardware. But this new area don’t and I think will not comes because of Apple marketing plans. Musicians almost don’t exist in their mind, this is abolutely not a pro platform. They are bugs everywhere, in iOS and almost all apps. One bug is fixed here, another appears here. As I said on another thread, this reminds me poor Windows 98 music platform on which I beginned. I loved make music on it, but it was crappy as hell. Everything became so much better and stable with WindowsXP. I ask myself if iOS will see that maturation. Not sure as idevices are so much large consumers products.
Another thing is that apps start at low price, but as most of them are not really professionnel by features and have some bugs and poor support, this ends with higher budget that it should be. In 8 months I’m in 300/400 euros budget with apps mostly buyed on sale, and which are some essentials for producing : gadget and some iaps, blocs wave and iaps, BeatHawk and iaps, Audiobus, AUM, xequence, midiflow, ThumbJam, iFretless bass, Navichord, unique Zeeon, Ddmf, audio damage suites. Nothing crazy lot of sales and already this budget. Could buy Ableton standard or last Reason for that price and they’re much more professional. Add to that idevices has to be replaced every 2/4 years and iOS can be more expensive that desktop production.
I think the worst thing with updates is that they can kill workflow and worst they can kill live gigs setups. A live musician should always have two idevices : one stable not updated, and one more recent on which trying last stuff. Expensive for something not pro.
Good things persists, idevices are so compact you produce everywhere never had this with my laptop, apps are intuitive and gives inspiration they sound pretty good and some of their features don’t exists on laptop environment. I really like loopy for my music and don’t see equivalent on laptop and hardware sides. What is sure is that when you want to produce something really advanced laptop misses, as iOS workflow can breaks things. And Ableton is powerful. And there you reach another limits with studiomux and iconnectivity products, both cause of iOS side with not compensable delayed audio flux.
It is.
Not updating your OS could be an option if you don't need connection to the internet and you don't buy or upgrade any software that uses/needs the newer OS to function. But if you do need the internet, remember the big security issue regarding CPUs, this could become a big problem for you, if you don't update the OS, unless a JB solution is available.
Interesting thoughts in this thread. I'd just like to add some perspectives not mentioned yet.
As you know there are many dozens of different workflows and drivers for people making music. In the last ~5 years it seems we've been entering a post-DAW era where many people are starting to make music because they enjoy losing themselves in sound. Not necessarily for recording, sharing or producing finished tracks, but purely because they like to tinker, noodle, experiment and explore. The term 'noodling' is thrown around a lot, but there's more to it. It's part entertainment, part developing your own skills and knowledge and an alternative creative outlet.
I feel that - in parallel with the 'going DAWless' trend - iOS music is a perfect environment for these noodling exercises. Due to the inherent modularity of the multitude of iOS music connectivity standards it lends itself very well to many hours of 'let's hear what happens when I send this into that'. And such extended play-and-learn sessions can coexist happily with more focused 'let's produce a track' efforts on various slightly more stable and established platforms
Spot on.