Just picked up a Keith McMillen BopPad - suggestions on configuring it for iPad

lukesleepwalker

@dvlmusic said:

Have you tried the global sensitivity slider in the Preferences? It made a huge difference for me.

In BM3 or in the BP webapp?

BP webapp.

willhindson

Well, this isn’t a good sign - I went to the KMI forums and left a post with my support for the ios app, saying that I was a little disappointed that they are only “considering” it after they marketed the boppad as for iOS, promised an iOS editor from the beginning of the kickstarter and said it was in the works on twitter. They unfortunately deleted my post, so it looks like they don’t want to be reminded of what they had said...

lukesleepwalker

@willhindson said:
Well, this isn’t a good sign - I went to the KMI forums and left a post with my support for the ios app, saying that I was a little disappointed that they are only “considering” it after they marketed the boppad as for iOS, promised an iOS editor from the beginning of the kickstarter and said it was in the works on twitter. They unfortunately deleted my post, so it looks like they don’t want to be reminded of what they had said...

Must have been an April fool's joke because I can see your post on their forum.

willhindson

@lukesleepwalker said:

@willhindson said:
Well, this isn’t a good sign - I went to the KMI forums and left a post with my support for the ios app, saying that I was a little disappointed that they are only “considering” it after they marketed the boppad as for iOS, promised an iOS editor from the beginning of the kickstarter and said it was in the works on twitter. They unfortunately deleted my post, so it looks like they don’t want to be reminded of what they had said...

Must have been an April fool's joke because I can see your post on their forum.

Ah! That’s weird, because it was showing originally, then disappeared and now it’s back. Ok, ignore my previous comment

futureaztec

I just want to say that KQ Dixie is just phenomenal with the BopPad. The expressivity of the FM synthesis really shines. Especially on some of the drum patches... I want to put together a preset pack. If anyone wants to contribute - even just a best of the massive archives online....

futureaztec

With some help I have a good first patch for the BopPad made in Audulus.

http://forum.audulus.com/discussion/download/5365/4 Voice Folded BopPad.audulus

supadom

@futureaztec said:
I just want to say that KQ Dixie is just phenomenal with the BopPad. The expressivity of the FM synthesis really shines. Especially on some of the drum patches... I want to put together a preset pack. If anyone wants to contribute - even just a best of the massive archives online....

How is that Dixie thing’s cpu/ram footprint?

Any chance for a short demo, even if audio only?

Michael_R_Grant

Is this thing worth buying, then? Is it practical to be used on stage with an iPad? Is it connected wirelessly?

lukesleepwalker

@futureaztec said:
With some help I have a good first patch for the BopPad made in Audulus.

http://forum.audulus.com/discussion/download/5365/4 Voice Folded BopPad.audulus

What does this do?

lukesleepwalker

@Michael_R_Grant said:
Is this thing worth buying, then? Is it practical to be used on stage with an iPad? Is it connected wirelessly?

Yes, great piece of kit. Yes, works nicely with iPad. No, wired USB.

futureaztec

@lukesleepwalker said:
What does this do?

It's a modular drum synthesizer patch. The four voices have separate ring and bass tones for each. The four quadrants on the BopPad can be tuned independently and the modwheel midi information is hooked up so that the radius from the rim to the center has a change in timbre. Then I fed the sound through a wave folder at the end to give it some grit.

futureaztec

@supadom said:

@futureaztec said:
I just want to say that KQ Dixie is just phenomenal with the BopPad. The expressivity of the FM synthesis really shines. Especially on some of the drum patches... I want to put together a preset pack. If anyone wants to contribute - even just a best of the massive archives online....

How is that Dixie thing’s cpu/ram footprint?

Any chance for a short demo, even if audio only?

From what I see the CPU on KQ Dixie is quite low. I like to run multiples of it as an AUv3. Doug did a video on it when it came out:

I will say though that the preset management can be a bit of a pain -- I am hoping the dev improves the work flow with this because it is a DX7 compatible engine which means you have access to patches all the way from 1983 to more modern sounds. Remember, the new Digitone from Elektron is an FM synth and it doesn't even have 6 operators.

futureaztec

Here is a Drum Voice arranged for the BopPad in Audulus 3. Further explanation available here on the Audulus forum.

Daveypoo

Oh snap! I'll be downloading this now - thank you very much sir!

I'd love to hear what you've got built as far as kits for BopPad in KQ Dixie. I've got some built up in DrumPerfect Pro that (if possible) I'd be happy to share in return....

MarkR

I just received mine, after waiting two months! The lack of iOS app for editing is truly annoying, as I will mostly be using this for live work with no desktop or laptop present. I of course knew this when purchasing, but I'm really hoping they'll come through with an app, and I'll be more than happy to pay whatever they want for it!

In the meantime, this thing is forcing me to finally really delve deeper into understanding MIDI control, as up until now I've only kind of skimmed (as I'm sure many of us do). Some folks "get" MIDI in all its complexity, while many of us are still a bit mystified...

Daveypoo

@MarkR said:
I just received mine, after waiting two months! The lack of iOS app for editing is truly annoying, as I will mostly be using this for live work with no desktop or laptop present. I of course knew this when purchasing, but I'm really hoping they'll come through with an app, and I'll be more than happy to pay whatever they want for it!

In the meantime, this thing is forcing me to finally really delve deeper into understanding MIDI control, as up until now I've only kind of skimmed (as I'm sure many of us do). Some folks "get" MIDI in all its complexity, while many of us are still a bit mystified...

You gotta let me know what you come up with here - I've only skimmed the surface with my BopPad...

lukesleepwalker

@MarkR said:
I just received mine, after waiting two months! The lack of iOS app for editing is truly annoying, as I will mostly be using this for live work with no desktop or laptop present. I of course knew this when purchasing, but I'm really hoping they'll come through with an app, and I'll be more than happy to pay whatever they want for it!

In the meantime, this thing is forcing me to finally really delve deeper into understanding MIDI control, as up until now I've only kind of skimmed (as I'm sure many of us do). Some folks "get" MIDI in all its complexity, while many of us are still a bit mystified...

Be sure to log a request for an iOS app with KMI folks via their forum or by email, Twitter, etc. The more we ask, the more upvotes it gets in their feature request backlog.

Also, pro tip for those who are currently excited by Turnado AUv3 arrival: the BopPad is an awesome way to control Turnado's XY pads!

MarkR

@lukesleepwalker said:

@MarkR said:
I just received mine, after waiting two months! The lack of iOS app for editing is truly annoying, as I will mostly be using this for live work with no desktop or laptop present. I of course knew this when purchasing, but I'm really hoping they'll come through with an app, and I'll be more than happy to pay whatever they want for it!

In the meantime, this thing is forcing me to finally really delve deeper into understanding MIDI control, as up until now I've only kind of skimmed (as I'm sure many of us do). Some folks "get" MIDI in all its complexity, while many of us are still a bit mystified...

Be sure to log a request for an iOS app with KMI folks via their forum or by email, Twitter, etc. The more we ask, the more upvotes it gets in their feature request backlog.

I did so before I even bought the thing. I think I'm even going to ask them a second time.

Also, pro tip for those who are currently excited by Turnado AUv3 arrival: the BopPad is an awesome way to control Turnado's XY pads!

That is very cool. This is the sort of thing I've got to learn more about!

RJB

@lukesleepwalker said:

Be sure to log a request for an iOS app with KMI folks via their forum or by email, Twitter, etc. The more we ask, the more upvotes it gets in their feature request backlog.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I didn’t hear any news about Safari coming out with midi implementation on iOS 12

All the more reason to head back to the KMI forum and ask again for an iOS app.

Daveypoo

Agreed - let's keep bugging them. They have an iOS app for the K-Board setup, so you can't tell me that it would be too hard to make a BopPad specific one, or update the current app to be able to control the BopPad as well...

MarkR

@RJB said:

@lukesleepwalker said:

Be sure to log a request for an iOS app with KMI folks via their forum or by email, Twitter, etc. The more we ask, the more upvotes it gets in their feature request backlog.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I didn’t hear any news about Safari coming out with midi implementation on iOS 12

All the more reason to head back to the KMI forum and ask again for an iOS app.

Yeah, one of KMI's answers was along the lines of "well, if iOS allowed web-midi..."

supadom

@Carnbot said:

@lukesleepwalker said:
@Carnbot interesting idea to convert CCs to notes. But is it possible to specify multiple CCs to locations in the quadrant? Say I want five notes spread in five slices of the quadrant, is that possible?

No I don't think so, it's more in the way you hit it. You can trigger up to 5 different CCs per quadrant in different ways, so if you use an app like midifire you could convert these to notes.

Or you could map the CCs to change the pitch of the note depending on how you hit it in the target app. eg Elastic drums you can map the pitch to a CC so each time you hit it it could be a different pitch. different pressure sensitivity can be different pitch etc

Wouldn’t limiting radius CC range to 1-3 and translating that into notes work?

lukesleepwalker

@supadom said:

@Carnbot said:

@lukesleepwalker said:
@Carnbot interesting idea to convert CCs to notes. But is it possible to specify multiple CCs to locations in the quadrant? Say I want five notes spread in five slices of the quadrant, is that possible?

No I don't think so, it's more in the way you hit it. You can trigger up to 5 different CCs per quadrant in different ways, so if you use an app like midifire you could convert these to notes.

Or you could map the CCs to change the pitch of the note depending on how you hit it in the target app. eg Elastic drums you can map the pitch to a CC so each time you hit it it could be a different pitch. different pressure sensitivity can be different pitch etc

Wouldn’t limiting radius CC range to 1-3 and translating that into notes work?

Huh, hadn't thought of that.

MonkeyDrummer

If anyone is interested... If you like this kind of expressive, performance-oriented, percussion synthesis, I'd recommend you go out and buy a Nord Drum 3P... Everything you could ever want in one little package. Add a multi-FX like a Zoom MSCDR and go nuts.

Or do what I did and go totally F~cking insane.

I gave up trying to piece together stuff on ipad, midi controllers, midi-translations, etc. etc. Now I just flip on the power and just go... Makes it feel more like an instrument rather than a damn science fair experiement.

Yea, it's about $4k worth of crap, but it's immediate and fun.

lukesleepwalker

oh my. @MonkeyDrummer, you win! That is crazy.

MonkeyDrummer

@lukesleepwalker said:
oh my. @MonkeyDrummer, you win! That is crazy.

It's still less money that what some nutjobs spend on a piece of wood with strings attached though! That's the rationalization I'm using at least.

lukesleepwalker

@MonkeyDrummer said:

@lukesleepwalker said:
oh my. @MonkeyDrummer, you win! That is crazy.

It's still less money that what some nutjobs spend on a piece of wood with strings attached though! That's the rationalization I'm using at least.

Well reasoned. You win again!

supadom

@MonkeyDrummer said:
If anyone is interested... If you like this kind of expressive, performance-oriented, percussion synthesis, I'd recommend you go out and buy a Nord Drum 3P... Everything you could ever want in one little package. Add a multi-FX like a Zoom MSCDR and go nuts.

Or do what I did and go totally F~cking insane.

I gave up trying to piece together stuff on ipad, midi controllers, midi-translations, etc. etc. Now I just flip on the power and just go... Makes it feel more like an instrument rather than a damn science fair experiement.

Yea, it's about $4k worth of crap, but it's immediate and fun.

Yup, addiction to hitting things can be dear. Audio/video demo of the monster in action?

MonkeyDrummer

@supadom said:

Yup, addiction to hitting things can be dear. Audio/video demo of the monster in action?

Not yet. I finally got a video setup that will work... Now I need to overcome the issue where as soon as I know it's being recorded, I turn into a total retard...

In the meantime, this gives you a bit of an idea...

futureaztec

I reworked the patch I posted to integrate the BopPad with Audulus. So in this edition, you are able to control your modular synthesizer. You need the Expert Sleepers ES-8 or a DC coupled audio interface to send the control voltages to your synth gear..

Here is a link to the patch on the Audulus forum.