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No reason one can’t love both. For the record though, even though I like Jaco, I’m not a fan of Joni Mitchell and so really haven’t listened much to what he didn’t with her. Great playing on the song posted in this thread, however I can’t say I dug the song. And I do love the Misfits, who are from the town only 15 minutes from here. Sometimes misfits is just what you need while driving!
+1 I couldn't help feel the same thing about him.
Well, the bad tempered old curmudgeon has inspired RTM, and as a result a tongue-in-cheek song about QJ May make it onto the next album.
No doubt he’d loathe what lowly creatures like us do, but that too is a source of inspiration.
Tis best left to the elites.
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That, AudioGus, is what QJ seems to be saying, completely ignoring how many people, commercially successful or not, who have been empowered to make music without decades of practise. Okay, it may not be virtuoso, but quite a lot of it isn’t bad, and some sounds brilliant.
In the classical past, only an elite got to make music. Musicians trained for years, and a tiny handful of people got to compose music. The superstars of the day. Even when electricity and technology started the revolution, making music that sounded professional often required instruments costing thousands of pounds, and therefore beyond the reach of many.
Today, we all have soft synths, on IOS and/or desktop, which sound as good as the ‘prog gods’ of the past. We all have access to very realistic sounding sampled instruments, and from Auria Pro to Logic Pro X (other DAW’s are available) virtual mixing desks.
But Quincy evidently thinks all of that is crap. Oh dear...
Brian Eno.
End of conversation. Quincy should pack it up, grab his metal detector and big shorts, and just fade.
I hadn't noticed; I was too busy observing how out-of-date her cable-knit rainbow sweater was.
In 19th and early 20th century homes, even with families of modest means, it was pretty common to have a piano in the house. When people wanted to enjoy music, someone had to sit down and actually play! Most women were encouraged to take lessons.
You're totally correct. I like to blow and am too lazy to compose anything that develops on an ipad. When I was a young man I studied composition and arranging. I have tapes somewhere in a box in my attic of performances of my big band jazz, orchestral and chamber pieces, etc. But these days I just like to blow.
Also I'm kind of bored with guitar after four decades. I hardly play it at all anymore. I am now learning to sing ragas and to play them on the dilruba. Which again, is all about blowing over a looped bass (the tanpura).
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Playing the popular songs of the day, or for the more accomplished, classical pieces, both forms written by professionals.
Not even close to reality, my friend.
All the Quincy Jones shit-talkers remind me of someone...
Quincy Jones.
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Okay, only an elite got to make music that anyone heard. Not so different from today, I suppose.
I read that as, "Oh damn, I better say something nice about Bono now".
Ha! I'm generally the same with regard to shredding of any sort. Give me the Young Marble Giants over Rush any day. Like someone else said, simple music can absolutely be transcendent (even Kind of Blue is relatively simple music) but that doesn't necessarily detract from enjoying other things in music—even music that doesn't move you. To piggy back on your security experience... I can look at a painting that does absolutely nothing for me but still get lost in admiration for brush work or color choices or whatever. Or in other words: art/emotion and the ability to convey it reigns supreme for most of us but there's nothing inherently wrong with appreciating craftsmanship alone. And appreciation of craft comes generally from developing 'listening skills' or art appreciation skills or whatever. I really can't listen to Prog but I can down with why people like it.
Movies are an even better example (for me anyway) because it's such an interdisciplinary medium. I can think of plenty of movies that I didn't like on the whole but where I love (or can at least appreciate) the cinematography or blocking or editing or foley or lighting or score or FX...; the details, the craft part of making movies. I reckon all of Q's comments are related to craft, not art.
Anyway, I still take your point. I reckon, even given all that he knows now, if he could be transported to 1977 to see one show, he'd probably pick something like Weather Report instead of Television, The Ramones or Kraftwerk. Blasphemy.
Sure, most punk rock of the 70s and 80s was made by white bands but what were they doing? Shedding all of the riffage and excess of 70s and 80s white rock and getting back to the roots of rock and roll. Which was made by black musicians. Just saying! Also, the best of it came from Chocolate City.
The rap bit sort of makes the 'frustration' point instead of contradicting it. Rap first went "mainstream" (meaning, started to make shit tons of money) with whom? The Beastie Boys. PE/Queens groups, Dre-related stuff, etc grew it through the 90s (again, just talking commercially here) but it really reached it's current constant-top-of-the-charts plateau with who? Eminem.
That's not take away from the talent of the Beasties or Enimem. They were also never coy with who their influences were. But still.
@syrupcore Forget Quincy Jones. That dude needs to interview you.
Just to touch on how stuff comes back around; a lot of current producers in hip hop that are touted as “innovative” or “forward-thinking” are simply going places, rhythmically, that we’re explored back in the 90’s and aughts by groups like Mouse On Mars, Manitoba, Squarepusher, etc. that stuff was considered “weird” by mainstream (and even underground) hip hop listeners, back then. But when Kanye repackages it, 15 years later, it’s “groundbreaking”.
You kinda sound like QJ here.
David Marchese: "So, Will, what's it like to spend your work day ignoring your job and blabbering on Internet forums?"
Syrupcore: ...blabber blabber blabber...
David Marchese: "Uh, thanks for your time."
Just an observation about how everyone borrows from everyone else, and how there’s nothing new under the sun.
Lebron could probably learn a little something about playing off the ball from a YMCA guy, though.
You probably missed my point. My example about punk and rap were meant als examples of typical white and black things that started around the same time underground in different groups (white middle/ upperclass and black ghetto). As things went mainstream they were not anymore exclusive to those social groups.
btw The punk movement was questioning and attacking authority, the rap movement stems more from the tradition of Martin Luther King and was in the first place one of how can we make our situation better and do it the best way we can. Hence critique on local situations like drugs abuse, etc. It was was quite a few years later that bands like Public Enemy came to life with there rage against anything white (clearly influenced by the punk nti-authoritarianism) and even later you get the whole gangsta movement that was glorifying crime which you again could even see as influenced by the same anti-establisment stance punk took. And yes except chords feelings do also matter a lot in music.
what broke on the op?
the mpcl is monster I love that thing
The UI board needed replacing, and since the thing is 5 yrs old, I took the opportunity and had the battery replaced.
It was was quite a few years later that bands like Public Enemy came to life with there rage against anything white (clearly influenced by the punk nti-authoritarianism) and even later you get the whole gangsta movement that was glorifying crime which you again could even see as influenced by the same anti-establisment stance punk took.
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The stupidity of anyone raging against people purely based on skin colour seems to have bypassed Public Enemy and co. It’s a million miles from what MLK preached. Hatred only breeds more hatred.
Not sure your punk influence argument stands up, either. Sure, they challenged corrupted authority and pointless tradition, but did not glorify crime, drugs, or violence against women. So if that is really where Gangstas got thier ideas, then they misunderstood.
Quantifiably false statement about PE. PE is decidedly pro-black, in terms of economic self-sufficiency and positive community action to improve the quality of life for African-Americans, but they were NOT raging against skin color. That’s a remark borne of ignorance, which breeds fear, then hostility. Listen CLOSELY, if you can, to the whole song.
gangsterism in music is a genre, we wouldn't expect gangsters to make anything else, but imo rap music didn't go from Martin Luther king to public enemy to gangsterism.. all of those things existed at the same time, not to mention the strain that descended from the last poets and many others.... there are many genres within rap music, they are just not given the same respect that people naturally give in the Sex, Drugs, and Rock&Roll genres of music, I have no idea why. Maybe it's because of the foundation America was built upon, maybe it's something else. I guess nobody gives hi-fives when rappers trash hotel rooms and talks about how rad it is to see that happen lol.
mathematically speaking I think for every QJ virtuoso there are still about a zillion non-Virtuosos who think their music sounds like butterscotch so if w are being entirely fair and judge everyone equally Quincy would still come out on top