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Beatmaker 3 vs Cubasis 2 │ Which iPad DAW is BEST for you? - haQ attaQ 269

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  • @ALB said:
    I really started enjoying BM3 once I got over the basic learning curve. Still much to learn, but it has become much more useable to me than Cubasis or Auria. I still might finish some tracks in Auria, though more and more I'm hearing better EQs and compression/limiting apps in AU. The thing that I really like about Beatmaker 3 is combining the possibilities of the sampler, midi and audio recording, making for fairly quick creation - yes, believe it. The one hassle that I have with it is IAA app connectivity which I wish was a bit more easy/robust/direct.

    Same here, although I find IAA pants in most hosts

  • edited February 2018

    @RUST( i )K said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Both are great. I like being able to traverse large sound files and arrange/reorganize small slices, copy willy nilly around the timeline, apply fx etc. BM3 is actually closer, in terms of results, to what I make using a traditional timeline based PC daw (Samplitude) for chopping audio. The iMPC or Maschine aspects were somewhat new to me but felt like the old days with Mod trackers so easy to get with. There certainly are more screens to contend with but once I got with the quickest routes to and from those screens it was a big ahah moment. I enjoyed my time with Cubasis and it was much quicker to ramp up on but really that 'sampler' in BM3 has become way more than just a sampler to me.

    Where What prompted the AHA moment?

    There was a point where I told myself, 'forget about trying to be creative and get in the flow, just learn the app'. So i sat for a few hours over a couple evenings just diving in and out of menus, drawing automation, tapping bank letters to see where it takes me etc. I thought of it more as building muscle memory, not concerning myself
    with how anything really sounded.

    Anyway Saturday morning came and I
    found myself just making music, not even thinking much about the app. It was all music ideas, creative experiments and flow from that point. Removing the creative pressure to be productive and create for a bit helped A LOT.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @RUST( i )K said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Both are great. I like being able to traverse large sound files and arrange/reorganize small slices, copy willy nilly around the timeline, apply fx etc. BM3 is actually closer, in terms of results, to what I make using a traditional timeline based PC daw (Samplitude) for chopping audio. The iMPC or Maschine aspects were somewhat new to me but felt like the old days with Mod trackers so easy to get with. There certainly are more screens to contend with but once I got with the quickest routes to and from those screens it was a big ahah moment. I enjoyed my time with Cubasis and it was much quicker to ramp up on but really that 'sampler' in BM3 has become way more than just a sampler to me.

    Where What prompted the AHA moment?

    There was a point where I told myself, 'forget about trying to be creative and get in the flow, just learn the app'. So i sat for a few hours over a couple evenings just diving in and out of menus, drawing automation, tapping bank letters to see where it takes me etc. I thought of it more as building muscle memory, not concerning myself
    with how anything really sounded.

    Anyway Saturday morning came and I
    found myself just making music, not even thinking much about the app. It was all music ideas, creative experiments and flow from that point. Removing the creative pressure to be productive and create for a bit helped A LOT.

    That's excellent advice.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @RUST( i )K said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Both are great. I like being able to traverse large sound files and arrange/reorganize small slices, copy willy nilly around the timeline, apply fx etc. BM3 is actually closer, in terms of results, to what I make using a traditional timeline based PC daw (Samplitude) for chopping audio. The iMPC or Maschine aspects were somewhat new to me but felt like the old days with Mod trackers so easy to get with. There certainly are more screens to contend with but once I got with the quickest routes to and from those screens it was a big ahah moment. I enjoyed my time with Cubasis and it was much quicker to ramp up on but really that 'sampler' in BM3 has become way more than just a sampler to me.

    Where What prompted the AHA moment?

    There was a point where I told myself, 'forget about trying to be creative and get in the flow, just learn the app'. So i sat for a few hours over a couple evenings just diving in and out of menus, drawing automation, tapping bank letters to see where it takes me etc. I thought of it more as building muscle memory, not concerning myself
    with how anything really sounded.

    Anyway Saturday morning came and I
    found myself just making music, not even thinking much about the app. It was all music ideas, creative experiments and flow from that point. Removing the creative pressure to be productive and create for a bit helped A LOT.

    Me too. Just forced myself to make a track over a weekend for the forum battle and had a blast.

  • edited February 2018

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    I guess what I really meant was: how would you use the sampler in BM3 as an instrument to be recorded into Cubasis?

    I'm sure there's an easier way but I do it by clicking on the add track (+) insert a midi track in Cubase. Then tap on the track icon to bring up the inter-app audio panel.
    Click on the instrument button to bring up the list of iaa

    scroll down and select the BM3 out (Audio).
    Then click add track (+) and add an audio track which
    will record the midi out from BM3. So you need to arm both tracks for recording. Hit record help if you use count in
    open the BM3 from the midi track instrument icon and start playing.

  • Thanks for that, @hacked_to_pieces

    I'm unclear where the midi is being recorded? And also why you can't hear the BM3 pads while you're playing them.
    But that's a promising start.

    Slightly OT question: Is there a preferred midi controller that interfaces well with BM3? The Akai MPD218 looks good, but I haven't used it.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    Thanks for that, @hacked_to_pieces

    I'm unclear where the midi is being recorded? And also why you can't hear the BM3 pads while you're playing them.
    But that's a promising start.

    Slightly OT question: Is there a preferred midi controller that interfaces well with BM3? The Akai MPD218 looks good, but I haven't used it.

    Using this method all the midi is recorded in BM3. When screen recording using ios only you can only capture audio from the host app which in this case is Cubase. To capture all the audio you have to use quicktime on a desktop system.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    Thanks for that, @hacked_to_pieces

    I'm unclear where the midi is being recorded? And also why you can't hear the BM3 pads while you're playing them.
    But that's a promising start.

    Slightly OT question: Is there a preferred midi controller that interfaces well with BM3? The Akai MPD218 looks good, but I haven't used it.

    I think this controller would work. You’d just have to map the pads in the settings to correspond with the pads in BM3. It’s pretty easy

  • @CracklePot said:
    So I guess it’s alphabetical then...
    Auria
    BM3
    Cubasis

    This made me genuinely lol.

  • @dendy said:
    My favourite iOS DAW is Nanostudio 2 :-) It just isn't released but that will change sooner or later ...

    yup, agree (optimist)

  • BM3: Has an initial learning curve that is steeper IMO than Cubasis, but once learnt, it is so easy to make any type of music. I use a linear approach mostly and while I agree that Cubasis is slightly easier, I have found a fast and efficient way of working with BM3 in a linear fashion.

    I find most AU apps that I use work well in BM3 with only the odd quirk such as no built in patch saves unless the AU already has them - BM3 is more designed to save anything as a bank that saves the settings, fx etc. Most AU apps have their own built in patch saves, so this is not a problem mostly.

    BM3 has taken onboard AU Midi, full screen AU and other very up to date features that admittedly are not in wide spread use at this time - nice to see them included.

    BM3 is quite good for midi setups, yet it is complex to my mind and not the easiest set ups to get ones head around. Midi note editing could be improved IMO.

    BM3 has a nice selection of fx tools that feel more part of the patch due to how the bank / sampler / pad / macro structure works.

    BM3 Still needs some added tweaks, but is my choice for now.

    Cubasis: While still gives me much more to smile about then my once loved Auria for quickly getting some tracks down, it now takes a back seat to BM3. As Haq said in the video, Cubasis really makes messing with editing midi and audio much easier than BM3.

    What Cubasis really misses for my own fun is AU Midi as Rozeta is now firmly a creative tool I use often. As mentioned mixer groups need adding.

    I think while Cubasis has been honed well to be a smooth transition tool - I.e. make the basic track quickly then transfer it to their own professional DAW on desktop - in this way it is a masterclass in simplicity and design.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    Thanks for that, @hacked_to_pieces

    I'm unclear where the midi is being recorded? And also why you can't hear the BM3 pads while you're playing them.
    But that's a promising start.

    Slightly OT question: Is there a preferred midi controller that interfaces well with BM3? The Akai MPD218 looks good, but I haven't used it.

    I made a tutorial on how to map MIDI controllers in BM3 you might find of interest. I'm mapping knobs, but you map pads the same way.

  • @jakoB_haQ said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Thanks for that, @hacked_to_pieces

    I'm unclear where the midi is being recorded? And also why you can't hear the BM3 pads while you're playing them.
    But that's a promising start.

    Slightly OT question: Is there a preferred midi controller that interfaces well with BM3? The Akai MPD218 looks good, but I haven't used it.

    I made a tutorial on how to map MIDI controllers in BM3 you might find of interest. I'm mapping knobs, but you map pads the same way.

    That isn't how you assign MIDI CC on the sampler at all, that is how you assign MIDI CC to Macros, just double click a control in the sampler and you can set its MIDI CC direct, you don't need to use macros or focus actions.
    Why do so many people give out this bad information ?

  • I just read in another thread that Cubasis and Auria Pro still don't have Link implemented. Is that right? That's a showstopper for me as I Link up AUM and Xequence with BM3 all the time. This with the AU MIDI implementation for Rozeta apps means I don't think I could switch from BM3 right now.

    All subjective musings, I know. Fun discussion though.

  • edited February 2018

    @gusgranite said:
    I just read in another thread that Cubasis and Auria Pro still don't have Link implemented. Is that right? That's a showstopper for me as I Link up AUM and Xequence with BM3 all the time. This with the AU MIDI implementation for Rozeta apps means I don't think I could switch from BM3 right now.

    All subjective musings, I know. Fun discussion though.

    Cubasis, no Link. It cannot slave to anything, it only sends Midi clock to Virtual Midi.
    It works with Midi Link Sync app though, so there is that option. It controls hosted apps pretty well too.

  • I always felt at home with Cubase since the '90s and using hardware MPCs. So Cubasis was easy for me to get along with when I first got into iOS apps. I bought BM3 when it was released. But I just can't seem to get into it like I do when I power up my MPC2000 and start sampling right away. There's too much involved with software samplers that takes away all the inspiration from me. So I stick with my trusty hardware that never crashes or needs to go through several steps in order to get the same results.

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