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Fortamento │ I wish it was a 5 dollar app - haQ attaQ 279
Fortamento for iPhone markets itself as a music idea generator. It's cheap (about a dollar) simple to use and it allows the user to export chord and melody progressions to individual MIDI files. However after having a deeper look at it I wish the app would have cost more like 5 dollars instead of just one. So this in this episode Im asking if the Fortamento design and functions equates to simple inspiration or just to much limitation. Check out the video to find out!
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I like it as it is. Don’t need another DAW/Sequencer. I love the fact the you just press the big button and then have to decide whether to keep that tune or lose it forever.
Odesi is another app like this... But it needs an update..
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/odesi-chords-create-rhythms-basslines-chord-progressions/id1056176667?mt=8
Indeed. In the case of both apps, I wish that they offered more scales than major and minor.
I'm not sure, but I think the Dev has stopped further development with Odesi(even on Desktop?....... They are busy with Captain Chords now, which is on Mac, but they are developing for Windows at the mo....... Captain Chords is simular to Odesi, but in a module way. Not sure, I could be wrong?
Thanks for the info
Excellent start for this app. Developer says he will be adding midi out, and is considering AU3. Those requiring vastly more capable and complex apps already have a lot to choose from.
I was hoping you wanted it to be 5 times more because it was so incredible that you hoped that might mean fewer people would catch on to your secret tools. Alas.
Looks like it's the developer's only app on the market. Maybe he's new to coding. Maybe because he has other commitments in life, he hasn't had time to do much more with it. So it's not about whether it's one dollar or five, but when he has time to work on it more. I don't know... just a theory.
I have to agree. I pretty much like it as it is, for what it is. Although I wouldn't mind a bit more refinement, and although some of Jakob's requests are reasonable... there's a lot to be said for the beauty of simplicity. Folks here tend to want to force a bunch of features onto simple apps until they're overloaded and no longer fun to use.
I'm not really much into this type of app, but I can see Jakob's point. Being able to adjust or pick the chord progression, reload what you've saved, and things like that don't add much to the complexity, but would add a lot to the usefulness as I see it. However, if you just like the simple push a button and see what happens nature of it, what more do you need?
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And most of those features are requested to enable the linking together of said app with god knows how many other apps and tools. I’ll be honest I actually pride myself on using the least amount/simplest apps to make music.
Thanks for the demo Jakob.
I would suggest Chordbot as an alternative with some similar functionality, although I don't think you can edit the melody lines in quite the same way.
http://www.chordbot.com/
Also, Tin Pan Rhythm would be a recommendation, I only wish they would implement MIDI export then it would be pretty stellar.
http://www.tin-pan.com/
Also have to mention Chordflow because it is really good although less generative in suggesting shord progressions.
http://www.dmitryklochkov.com/chordflow
Makes me wish more relevant apps had midi file import. Ideally you have live midi in and out and also midi export and import (not for this, in general for relevant type apps). The situation on iPhone at least is that the apps that could actually import the midi from this thing are apps I really don’t care to use. I mean it’d be great to import it into Gadget but we all know how that works out (assuming it’s still one bar per scene)
Also, Chordion although it is more live performance based, but it is the best App ever made....
http://www.olympianoiseco.com/apps/chordion/
They are both very good but with different feature sets.....
(Maybe I just like hexagons)
With Chordion the ability to play chords with the left hand and pick out notes from the chord (or scale if you set it up like that) on the right hand is really beautiful. The fact these can be different MIDI channels makes it a really playable/expressive instrument.
Navichord has the edge with being able to sequence and output notes from a chord on separate MIDI channels though.
Both excellent but quite different in operation. We are spoilt for quality MIDI controller Apps.
You could you another app like scalegen to transpose it. Or your daw with a bit more work.
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What this app is, right now, is exactly what it’s developer claims. No more, no less. It will hopefully become even more interesting and useful, if it’s gets enough support and isn’t hammered for what it currently lacks.
As for Odesi, it costs a few pence short of £20 for all IAP’s and does not seem to allow editing.
Tin-Pan Rhythm was really good for generating ideas. Sadly, the developer has definitely abandoned it, because he could not generate enough income to make continued development worthwhile.
There's a lot of great feedback here and I'm happy to see that ya'll don't think that I made this video just to drag an app through the dirt. It's not what I do on my channel.
As I say in the video I like apps like these and I actually like Fortamento, but there are some fundamental features that would make the app more inspiring and useful. Hence my wish for a higher price tag since I would rather pay more for more basic features then what the app is providing at the moment.
In the end I like limitation. My haQ attaQ show and the entire channel is built upon that. Before I started making music on iOS I was using desktop and laptop/computers together with big hardware rigs containing synthesizers, drum machines, big tacka filled with compressors, equalisers, FX etc.
The last desktop rig I used ran with Cubase and a full Native Instrument suite. It pretty much contains everything that anyone needs for making most types of electronic music.
And before that I had a massive water-cooled desktop system including three huge Sonic Core (CreamWare) DSP cards running the Fusion platform. This basically gave me a big virtual modular environment (oncluding a huge modular synth) where I could do/make anything.
Eventhough I had all of this I made less and less music. I basically just had too much, no frames to work within, no challenges, no problems to solve. I had built up complex ready to use template for every type of situation over the years and so I always loaded them and ended up sitting there doing nothing.
It wasn't until I got rid of all of that and got on iOS when I found my way back to inspiration again. The limitations of the platform gave me problems to solve. I had to research and test so much before I could do basic things and In the process I evolved, got inspired and found new ways of doing things I've never thought of before.
My point? Well in my mind limitation is good. But In the case of this app I felt it was too limiting basically.
This is just a random app, not the first and only of it's kind, and it sounds awful. @jakoB_haQ why are you wasting your time with it?
Why not use and something like ChordPolyPad, StepPolyArp, ChordBot, Chordflow or even RhythmStudio for your random inspiration? What about Figure? What about Klimper and Kord?
What about Groovebox??
Lisbon in Gadget...
Cubasis?! BM3?!! IMaschine 2??
You've got so many other options... they can all do this sort of thing. Seems to me like you picked the worst one you could get to make a point?
Actually one of the best chord inspiration tools on IOS is GarageBand. Load up the guitar, put it on a scale you like and just play until you find a fresh progression.
Honestly, life's too short for crappy ugly apps like this one.
NB I did not include Odesi on my list intentionally. Chordion is also just a toy app I'm afraid, it's worth the $4 asking price but not worth more than an hour of time playing around with it. Navichord looks ok. Having gone with ChordPolyPad instead I'd say it boils down to personal preferences of UI.
Maybe you're right. ChordPolyPad is more expensive so you get more features I guess.
I understand you feel like I wasted my time and that you don't like the app. However I do like the app and I state that in the video.
I am also describing what it is that I actually like with apps like this one. I'm even giving comparisons and references to other apps that I feel works as simple and instant inspiration tools, something that this app is marketed as.
I guess part of the message I wanted to get across is that I'd rather see apps with more effort put into them than just cheap apps with minor functionality.