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If you are randomly dragging your finger around in CPP like I do in SoundPrism or Navichord in order to discover new chord progressions, you must realize that it is not much different than using a straight-up chord generator. One uses a layout strategy to obtain good sequences when randomly dragging. The other uses an algorithm to obtain good sequences and drags the finger for you. In both cases, it is the layout or algorithm that is really the determining factor as to whether the results are good or not. Who does the finger dragging matters less I would say.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't know SoundPrism or Navichord. I don't generate random chords or chord progressions. With CPP, I just set up the exact chords I want.
I don't dabble that much in generative music. To me it doesn't sound like music, but it can be fun and even useful to discover a happy accident and develop it. I suppose I could use an app to generate chords, but I haven't had the urge. I've been a musician for over half a century - I'm a chord progression generator.
Ah, I see what you mean. If you haven’t tried those apps, check out the free Sound Prism and do some dragging around on its surface. You will get very nice progressions and inversions. You may not want to use it for your own composing, but I still suggest you try it for the novelty of the experience. It is surprisingly fun and satisfying, well to me anyway.
Much more fun than a chord generator for sure.
Thanks, guys, those apps sound pretty cool. I don't really need help with chords, so I'm not very knowledgeable about the different chord apps. If I was a programmer, I think I could code these kinds of apps myself. But sounds like I'm missing out on some fun.
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Or getting a professional coach.
I've been a musician for over half a century - I'm a chord progression generator.
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But are you on subscription or prescription.
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-insert monster chord progression and synth solo
I tried Soundprism. To me it's a new instrument, but a fairly limited one. If I am going to invest time in learning a new interface, I want it to be deep. Soundprism is capable of only fairly limited harmony. Also, with Soundprism, I kept thinking: "This would be so much easier to see and play on a regular keyboard".
To the folks who see chord generators as a learning device, my response is: Maybe. If you generate random chord progressions with an app, and then use your ear to figure out what they are and why they work, then that will be a very educational experience. But if you use the apps to avoid developing your ear and your theoretical knowledge, then they are slowing your progress as a musician.
Your correct, but some/most people may need help in there creations with chord generators. When they have an idea in there head, sometimes it maybe frustrating to get the chords to the rest of there projects, especially, when a lot of people are not musically gifted/trained, but they have the knowledge to make a good track, or mix.......
Sometimes I'm all fingers & Thumbs when making misic with my ears...... 
What you say is true, but I fear you may be missing the point. You should play it without any preconceived ideas and let your ears guide you. Even close your eyes if that helps. If you approach SoundPrism wanting to play the usual stuff you would come up with on a piano, then yes, just use a piano. SoundPrism is all about exploring an unfamiliar note layout that is different than the linear ones we are accustomed to, so as to come up with fresh sounding material. It’s still pretty much Major or minor by default, but the sequences and inversions the layout produces are what make it special.
Ha! I’m in my prescription period.
Approaching chords from an instrument standpoint, that can be true. Kind of where your fingers tend to go, especially on guitar. Composing on paper, score editor, piano roll… just using the ear and where the voice leading goes frees us from that kind of habitual practice. What you describe with SoundPrism is more about exploring and listening to something that didn’t come from your own head, so I think of it as generative, but where it at least responds to your gestures. Is it random, or if you practice playing it, do you discover ways of controlling its output? I’m not saying there’s a right or wrong way. If it’s an app that always surprises you with what comes out of it, that’s fine for that purpose.
My beef with Soundprism was that it didn't surprise me. Everything I got out of it was way vanilla. Perhaps I was doing it wrong....
Yes you can learn to play it in a deliberate way. It even shows you how to play extended chords if you want to use those. In essence, it is setup in thirds spacing, as opposed to scale step or fifths or fourths, which are the more common spacing. You can set it to play one, two, or three stacked notes, which produces triads. But the horizontal spacing of the octaves of the different notes is staggered as opposed to lined up. So with small movements you can easily change the inversion of the triads. Then you have a separate bass note along the left edge of the screen as well.
Nah, it is just Major and minor by default. You can introduce accidentals to change the scale, but the results are not as great when you do that. I think the layout works best in default note mode.
It probably is too vanilla for you, seeing as how you’re the biggest champion of alternative tunings on the forum as far as I can tell.
The only other thing I could compare it to would be re-tuning your guitar to say DADGAD for the first time. If you play the usual shapes that you know, it doesn’t sound good at all. But start exploring single and double note fingerings combined with the open strings, it sounds almost magical. So familiar, yet different in some way.
What you describe with SoundPrism is more about exploring and listening to something that didn’t come from your own head, so I think of it as generative, but where it at least responds to your gestures.
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You raise an interesting point. What does come out of our heads, and how did it get in there to start with. Isn’t everyone making any kind of music influenced by someone, even if it is only a taught technique? Therefore nothing under the sun can ever be wholly original, but can be almost infinitely rearranged into a new variant.
For example, McCartney famously went around whistling Yesterday and singing ‘scrambled eggs’ because he felt sure what he’d imagined had been done before. In a way it had. He wasn’t playing unheard notes, or using a form of making music he’d invented. Like all other songs, he was rearranging and likewise using reararranged words to tell a story that all could relate to.
In Repulse the Monkey, we play some parts, and use samples for other elements. But as we do not simply play a sample ‘as is’ alone, but rather combine many elements, including original lyrics, into something that did not exist before, we consider the end result to be ours. Again, not wholly original, and always influenced in some measure, but fresh in that particular form. Indeed, our edge is making combinations which trained musicians would be a lot less likely to do. We do not have the sheer skill of someone like Colin Powell or Doug Woods, to name but two, but we can equal peers in terms of sonic imagination.
As you said earlier, there is no right or wrong. The only caveat being that the end result sounds good.
I’m still waiting for Plectrum 2, gold subscription version
True, we're inspired by what we hear and what we've heard. Before computers, the process of creating music was internal, influenced by other human beings and the language of music we had learned. Computer algorithms written by people can mimic that language to a degree, and then a musician can use that output to make their music. Before sampling, if we wanted to incorporate sound we heard and make it ours, we had to first break it down and then rebuild it, which requires a high level of intimacy with it. Samples, though, are another instrument to play, and musicians make music with them.
We use whatever tools we have to work with, and whatever we feel we need for our process. I could play around with a chord generating kind of app and possibly be inspired by what it produces, but I haven't given it much thought. The app is going to be more useful to the user, and is probably designed for the user who doesn't already have a intimate familiarity with chords and harmony. In any case, if the result is music we like, that's what matters.