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Cubasis 2.4.1 supplemental update available

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  • @CracklePot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @aaronpc said:

    @ZenLizard said:
    Updated iOS and reopened the BeatHawk/Model D project. Froze both tracks. Worked as advertised.

    While I’m at this, I have a question about the drum kits inside the minisampler and microsonic. Is there any way to pan individual drums and cymbals? The reason I was plugging in BH is because pan control of each kit piece is essential for balancing the mix. I could use the microsonic and minisampler kits instead of an AU or IAA/AB plugin if there is a way to do it that I’ve overlooked.

    I think you're stuck making multiple tracks and panning them instead. Since they're built in, the overhead should be low, and many people like to individually EQ drum hits anyway.

    I do find myself really wanting track folders, or a "minimize track" option, in situations like this. It very quickly gets impossible to see the overview of a project.

    i would love see more tracks. This style of waveform wastes so much space to me. I dont need left and right displayed all the time... actually never on the timeline.

    ‘Minimize track’ sounds like it would work great.

    It does get hectic pretty quickly with adding more tracks. I think collapsable groups would be awesome.

    While I understand that folder track support comes in handy, did you check to vertically zoom (via pinch/spread above the track list)? This option allows to adapt the arrange view as desired in milliseconds.

    Best,
    Lars

  • edited April 2018

    @LFS said:

    While I understand that folder track support comes in handy, did you check to vertically zoom (via pinch/spread above the track list)? This option allows to adapt the arrange view as desired in milliseconds.

    Best,
    Lars

    May I add a suggestion here?

    What about having an option to show selected track at maximum vertical zoom while the other tracks are minimised? This would make it easier to focus on one track avoid doing a lot of pinch-zooming...

    Call this 'track focus mode' or something like that ;)

  • @Samu said:
    Just highlighting the issue with the Audio File editor in Cubasis that doesn't respect audio event bounds.

    So how does one automatically snap the left right bounds in the audio editor to match audio event on the time line?

    Manually selecting the area and trimming it creates a new file so the only thing missing here is to automatically set the start & end in the audio editor to match the audio event on the time line.

    Currently tapping on 'Select' in the audio editor selects the entire file if adjustments have been made.
    Suggestion here is to add 'long tap' on Select to select the area used by the currently selected audio-event.

    I think this is at least worth considering...

    Seems like your asking for destructive editing on the timeline, I prefer the non destructive. Once you have a trimmed part on the timeline you can make copies of it for use in the same project...and if you do want a lined up trimmed version in Mediabay for export, set the loop markers and do a mixdown of that track :)

    What I would appreciate more is a 'Remove Unused Audio' option that trims and cleans up the original source files once I have finished my edits, much like cubase used to (I haven't used Cubase since SX3. long story!)

  • @Samu said:

    @ZenLizard said:
    Updated iOS and reopened the BeatHawk/Model D project. Froze both tracks. Worked as advertised.

    While I’m at this, I have a question about the drum kits inside the minisampler and microsonic. Is there any way to pan individual drums and cymbals? The reason I was plugging in BH is because pan control of each kit piece is essential for balancing the mix. I could use the microsonic and minisampler kits instead of an AU or IAA/AB plugin if there is a way to do it that I’ve overlooked.

    Only way I've found is to use one track per drum, not an optimal solution I know...
    Create a track with all the drums first then duplicate the track and remove the un-needed drums from the copies.

    This also makes it possible to EQ & Process each drum sound individually which is a nice bonus.

    This is how I normally do drums....and mainly why I want AUX or BUS tracks so much, so I can combine them together for compression and EQ afterwards :)
    At the moment you would have to do a mixdown of the drum tracks, pull that into the project and then you can compress and add EQ to the drums as a whole.

  • @CracklePot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @aaronpc said:

    @ZenLizard said:
    Updated iOS and reopened the BeatHawk/Model D project. Froze both tracks. Worked as advertised.

    While I’m at this, I have a question about the drum kits inside the minisampler and microsonic. Is there any way to pan individual drums and cymbals? The reason I was plugging in BH is because pan control of each kit piece is essential for balancing the mix. I could use the microsonic and minisampler kits instead of an AU or IAA/AB plugin if there is a way to do it that I’ve overlooked.

    I think you're stuck making multiple tracks and panning them instead. Since they're built in, the overhead should be low, and many people like to individually EQ drum hits anyway.

    I do find myself really wanting track folders, or a "minimize track" option, in situations like this. It very quickly gets impossible to see the overview of a project.

    i would love see more tracks. This style of waveform wastes so much space to me. I dont need left and right displayed all the time... actually never on the timeline.

    ‘Minimize track’ sounds like it would work great.

    It does get hectic pretty quickly with adding more tracks. I think collapsable groups would be awesome.

    +1, this gets particularly busy once you start freezing MIDI tracks as you are doubling them up in the arranger

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @aaronpc said:

    @ZenLizard said:
    Updated iOS and reopened the BeatHawk/Model D project. Froze both tracks. Worked as advertised.

    While I’m at this, I have a question about the drum kits inside the minisampler and microsonic. Is there any way to pan individual drums and cymbals? The reason I was plugging in BH is because pan control of each kit piece is essential for balancing the mix. I could use the microsonic and minisampler kits instead of an AU or IAA/AB plugin if there is a way to do it that I’ve overlooked.

    I think you're stuck making multiple tracks and panning them instead. Since they're built in, the overhead should be low, and many people like to individually EQ drum hits anyway.

    I do find myself really wanting track folders, or a "minimize track" option, in situations like this. It very quickly gets impossible to see the overview of a project.

    i would love see more tracks. This style of waveform wastes so much space to me. I dont need left and right displayed all the time... actually never on the timeline.

    ‘Minimize track’ sounds like it would work great.

    It does get hectic pretty quickly with adding more tracks. I think collapsable groups would be awesome.

    +1, this gets particularly busy once you start freezing MIDI tracks as you are doubling them up in the arranger

    Actually, thinking about this....what would be really sweet would be that if you create a track group that you can expand/collapse like this...you then get a mixer channel(BUS) for it also !

  • edited April 2018

    @LFS said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @aaronpc said:

    @ZenLizard said:
    Updated iOS and reopened the BeatHawk/Model D project. Froze both tracks. Worked as advertised.

    While I’m at this, I have a question about the drum kits inside the minisampler and microsonic. Is there any way to pan individual drums and cymbals? The reason I was plugging in BH is because pan control of each kit piece is essential for balancing the mix. I could use the microsonic and minisampler kits instead of an AU or IAA/AB plugin if there is a way to do it that I’ve overlooked.

    I think you're stuck making multiple tracks and panning them instead. Since they're built in, the overhead should be low, and many people like to individually EQ drum hits anyway.

    I do find myself really wanting track folders, or a "minimize track" option, in situations like this. It very quickly gets impossible to see the overview of a project.

    i would love see more tracks. This style of waveform wastes so much space to me. I dont need left and right displayed all the time... actually never on the timeline.

    ‘Minimize track’ sounds like it would work great.

    It does get hectic pretty quickly with adding more tracks. I think collapsable groups would be awesome.

    While I understand that folder track support comes in handy, did you check to vertically zoom (via pinch/spread above the track list)? This option allows to adapt the arrange view as desired in milliseconds.

    Best,
    Lars

    This is true BUT once tracks are squished to fit onto the screen you cannot edit them as easily, If you want to re-order tracks for example , this is pretty much impossible if the tracks are squished, and I find myself repeatedly squishing/unsquishing when trying to organise tracks.

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    Seems like your asking for destructive editing on the timeline, I prefer the non destructive. Once you have a trimmed part on the timeline you can make copies of it for use in the same project...and if you do want a lined up trimmed version in Mediabay for export, set the loop markers and do a mixdown of that track :)

    Optionally' destructive when tapping 'trim'

    It could just reflect the portion of the file that is being used by the event on the time line instead of selecting the entire file.

    If the file is being used in other places in the project a copy will be made anyway so I don't see it as fully 'destructive' more like 'crop a copy'.

    Mixdown seems to be a bit too much as it would be enough with 'save selection/event to media bay' :)
    (This could work for both Midi and Audio events).

  • @Samu said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    Seems like your asking for destructive editing on the timeline, I prefer the non destructive. Once you have a trimmed part on the timeline you can make copies of it for use in the same project...and if you do want a lined up trimmed version in Mediabay for export, set the loop markers and do a mixdown of that track :)

    Optionally' destructive when tapping 'trim'

    It could just reflect the portion of the file that is being used by the event on the time line instead of selecting the entire file.

    If the file is being used in other places in the project a copy will be made anyway so I don't see it as fully 'destructive' more like 'crop a copy'.

    Mixdown seems to be a bit too much as it would be enough with 'save selection/event to media bay' :)
    (This could work for both Midi and Audio events).

    Ahhh ok I see what you mean now, yeah that would be useful.

    With regards to trim making copies if already used elsewhere, just make sure you already got another copy of the audio on the timeline BEFORE you trim your entire 10 min awesome lead guitar solo :D

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    With regards to trim making copies if already used elsewhere, just make sure you already got another copy of the audio on the timeline BEFORE you trim your entire 10 min awesome lead guitar solo :D

    Most of the time I just make a copy of the audio-event to another track or save it to media bay before I start to edit.

    Another feature that would be a real time-saver for me would be to 'freeze event' instead of having to freeze the entire track. This would make it super easy to create snippets that could be sent to the mini-sampler for triggering.

    If/when Cubasis gets a 'Sampler Track' it should naturally be possible to just do 'Selection > Sampler Track' on both Midi & Audio events.

    It will be very interesting to see what's cooking for Cubasis 2.5 but I do feel we'll see a few 2.4.x updates before that happens!

  • @Samu said:
    It will be very interesting to see what's cooking for Cubasis 2.5 but I do feel we'll see a few 2.4.x updates before that happens!

    They always manage to surprise !

  • Guys quick question on opening and closing of IAA apps once in a Cubasis project. Do we have to first close all IAA apps the close Cubasis? Same for opening.

    I ask cause I had Step Poly Arp and Sampletank 2 in two tracks but when I went to try to open up the project Cubasis locked up showing max cpu. I was able to remove SPA and the CPU went to normal. So I wondered perhaps I’m not closing or opening the appsbin a particular way.

  • @MusicMan4Christ said:
    Guys quick question on opening and closing of IAA apps once in a Cubasis project. Do we have to first close all IAA apps the close Cubasis? Same for opening.

    I ask cause I had Step Poly Arp and Sampletank 2 in two tracks but when I went to try to open up the project Cubasis locked up showing max cpu. I was able to remove SPA and the CPU went to normal. So I wondered perhaps I’m not closing or opening the appsbin a particular way.

    When using IAA apps it's always safer to open the apps first before trying to connect to them from a host.

    The logic behind this is for example if a user has selected a 'port' pointing to an IAA app in the session and that app is not running or loaded the port-settings will get messed up. If the app is already running the port will be in place.

    Since IAA's can be quite shaky in general I don't trust hosts launching them, it's a hit / miss.
    While if I launch the IAA app first and then connect to it I have a bigger probability it will work.

  • Thanks Samu. Main reason why I’ve been using AUs the most. But I have a really nice effects setup in AUM that I tried to replicate in Cubasis but couldn’t due to the effects insert limitations. I still don’t get why there’s a limit. I can understand this when iPads where very low powered cpu wise but not now. So I have to use AUM as IAA port input hosting all my Effects. But hopefully the effects limitation will be removed in Cubasis.

  • edited April 2018

    @LFS said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @aaronpc said:

    @ZenLizard said:
    Updated iOS and reopened the BeatHawk/Model D project. Froze both tracks. Worked as advertised.

    While I’m at this, I have a question about the drum kits inside the minisampler and microsonic. Is there any way to pan individual drums and cymbals? The reason I was plugging in BH is because pan control of each kit piece is essential for balancing the mix. I could use the microsonic and minisampler kits instead of an AU or IAA/AB plugin if there is a way to do it that I’ve overlooked.

    I think you're stuck making multiple tracks and panning them instead. Since they're built in, the overhead should be low, and many people like to individually EQ drum hits anyway.

    I do find myself really wanting track folders, or a "minimize track" option, in situations like this. It very quickly gets impossible to see the overview of a project.

    i would love see more tracks. This style of waveform wastes so much space to me. I dont need left and right displayed all the time... actually never on the timeline.

    ‘Minimize track’ sounds like it would work great.

    It does get hectic pretty quickly with adding more tracks. I think collapsable groups would be awesome.

    While I understand that folder track support comes in handy, did you check to vertically zoom (via pinch/spread above the track list)? This option allows to adapt the arrange view as desired in milliseconds.

    Best,
    Lars

    Woah. OK. I had no idea I could do that. Hah! :). Very,very nice for copying and shifting clips. Fantastic, thanks Lars!

    Here is a photoshop of @samu auto focus action...

  • @AudioGus said:
    Woah. OK. I had no idea I could do that. Hah! :). Very,very nice for copying and shifting clips. Fantastic, thanks Lars!

    Here is a photoshop of @samu auto focus action...

    OK, I'm confused... exactly how does one invoke this view? Please be specific. :)

  • Little things like this make the workflow so much better. I hope Cubasis team adds them in the next update.

    @AudioGus said:

    @LFS said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @aaronpc said:

    @ZenLizard said:
    Updated iOS and reopened the BeatHawk/Model D project. Froze both tracks. Worked as advertised.

    While I’m at this, I have a question about the drum kits inside the minisampler and microsonic. Is there any way to pan individual drums and cymbals? The reason I was plugging in BH is because pan control of each kit piece is essential for balancing the mix. I could use the microsonic and minisampler kits instead of an AU or IAA/AB plugin if there is a way to do it that I’ve overlooked.

    I think you're stuck making multiple tracks and panning them instead. Since they're built in, the overhead should be low, and many people like to individually EQ drum hits anyway.

    I do find myself really wanting track folders, or a "minimize track" option, in situations like this. It very quickly gets impossible to see the overview of a project.

    i would love see more tracks. This style of waveform wastes so much space to me. I dont need left and right displayed all the time... actually never on the timeline.

    ‘Minimize track’ sounds like it would work great.

    It does get hectic pretty quickly with adding more tracks. I think collapsable groups would be awesome.

    While I understand that folder track support comes in handy, did you check to vertically zoom (via pinch/spread above the track list)? This option allows to adapt the arrange view as desired in milliseconds.

    Best,
    Lars

    Woah. OK. I had no idea I could do that. Hah! :). Very,very nice for copying and shifting clips. Fantastic, thanks Lars!

    Here is a photoshop of @samu auto focus action...

  • edited April 2018

    @sch You just do a vertical pinch zoom in this area

    You can’t have one track focused like in that photoshopped screenshot, though. I think that was just to illustrate a suggestion.

  • @CracklePot said:
    @sch You just do a vertical pinch zoom in this area

    You can’t have one track focused like in that photoshopped screenshot, though. I think that was just to illustrate a suggestion.

    Correct.

  • Guys I noticed also and don’t know if this happened before but some AUs are not recalling their presets correctly unless you save the preset in Cubasis. So from now on, I’m saving the preset into the Cubasis user saving slot as well.

  • @Lars

    One thing I find with the pinch zoom is that it 'anchors' on the first track as opposed to the center of where you are pinching. If it could center the zoom on where you are pinching that would be more efficient and not require you to then pan back down to the track you are on.

  • edited April 2018

    @sch said:

    OK, I'm confused... exactly how does one invoke this view? Please be specific. :)

    It's a feature that is currently NOT present in Cubasis :)
    (We're just brainstorming on how to make Cubasis even better).

    The idea is to make more room and focus on the track that one is working on and keeping the other tracks minimised.
    So tapping on a track would zoom it and minimise the others.

    This type of feature is present in for example Adobe Lightroom, there it's called 'solo mode'.
    Meaning only one panel is fully expanded, tapping on another panel would expand it and collapse the others.

  • Ah, it's a mockup! Sorry, I misunderstood. Thanks, Samuel.

  • @sch said:
    Ah, it's a mockup! Sorry, I misunderstood. Thanks, Samuel.

    No worries! If the ideas make sense or feel appealing feel free to give them thumbs up or trash it.
    This way we'll gather enough ideas with broader community support and also help @LFS and his team to bring us features we really want :)

  • @sch said:
    Ah, it's a mockup! Sorry, I misunderstood. Thanks, Samuel.

    Ok. Just ignore me, then. :D

  • Just noticed my track numbers were not consecutive in my little photochop... I'll be out back flogging myself.

  • @AudioGus said:
    Just noticed my track numbers were not consecutive in my little photochop... I'll be out back flogging myself.

    I don't like your track colouring scheme either, add a few lashes for that too :D

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Just noticed my track numbers were not consecutive in my little photochop... I'll be out back flogging myself.

    I don't like your track colouring scheme either, add a few lashes for that too :D

    Sorry Sire! Random lashes will be appropriate.

  • @AudioGus said:
    Just noticed my track numbers were not consecutive in my little photochop... I'll be out back flogging myself.

    You're fired.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @LFS said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @aaronpc said:

    @ZenLizard said:
    Updated iOS and reopened the BeatHawk/Model D project. Froze both tracks. Worked as advertised.

    While I’m at this, I have a question about the drum kits inside the minisampler and microsonic. Is there any way to pan individual drums and cymbals? The reason I was plugging in BH is because pan control of each kit piece is essential for balancing the mix. I could use the microsonic and minisampler kits instead of an AU or IAA/AB plugin if there is a way to do it that I’ve overlooked.

    I think you're stuck making multiple tracks and panning them instead. Since they're built in, the overhead should be low, and many people like to individually EQ drum hits anyway.

    I do find myself really wanting track folders, or a "minimize track" option, in situations like this. It very quickly gets impossible to see the overview of a project.

    i would love see more tracks. This style of waveform wastes so much space to me. I dont need left and right displayed all the time... actually never on the timeline.

    ‘Minimize track’ sounds like it would work great.

    It does get hectic pretty quickly with adding more tracks. I think collapsable groups would be awesome.

    While I understand that folder track support comes in handy, did you check to vertically zoom (via pinch/spread above the track list)? This option allows to adapt the arrange view as desired in milliseconds.

    Best,
    Lars

    Woah. OK. I had no idea I could do that. Hah! :). Very,very nice for copying and shifting clips. Fantastic, thanks Lars!

    Here is a photoshop of @samu auto focus action...

    Great suggestion!

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