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  • drezdrez
    edited February 2020

    @Sergiu said:
    I just cannot see how this thread was constructive for Drambo’s shape...

    But how was/is it destructive? How are we worse off?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @drez said:
    I’m still pretty amazed that people can get so bent out of shape knowing an app is being worked on but not ready. No matter if it’s been reworked, rebuilt, changed, etc. Its never been released so nobody is missing anything. It’s not like it was released and said “it will do all this stuff” and then it didn’t do any of that stuff. I could see where that would be a normal grievance. But the complaining about this situation and even this thread in general makes no sense to me. Nobody has been hostile about anything other than the people that complain about the existence of the thread and it’s simple continuance annoying them for some reason. Somebody a few pages back was amazed the thread hadn’t been shutdown. Like....why would it need to be?

    No one has been harmed by the making and continuance of this thread.

    This thread is harmless.

    I’m just stoked to know it’s being worked on and tested constantly. That seems like a great thing to be going on. Knowing that is going on and it hasn’t been released makes me feel glad it’s still being tested. It means...it’s not ready :lol:

    Agreed.

    Also, people don’t need to voic> @Sergiu said:

    I just cannot see how this thread was constructive for Drambo’s shape...because I’m sure Giku had direct ongoing correspondence and feedback from his alleged testers and spokesmen in the first place. In the recent days something more considerate happen... the wiki stash! That is a good direction towards everyone!> @espiegel123 said:

    @Sergiu said:
    ...and all of this due to the time this app had public exposure.
    Question is : would you have liked knowing about this work in -progress since its development debut Or three days before the official release with clear info/manual attached?

    Let’s see how ethics work ?

    Ethics? What do ethics have to do with it?

    The conversation here as I understand it has influenced development in a good way.

    I frankly think that people that are annoyed by this thread should just ignore it.

    If you have been following the conversations, you will have seen non-beta team members make comments that Giku took to heart. Really, if this threads existence bothers you, just don’t read it.

  • SergiuSergiu

    Nothing destructive to the app itself, but when you allow privileged persons to play around with release date, technical features...all these mixed messages or partial information, the whole professional ethics has to suffer ( at least in my eyes ). yes, i am new to the forum and I might not have the complete sense of dynamics in here. Did Rozeta bundle have same approach from the developer and the forum? Because I think Rozeta had as much interest as Drambo > @drez said:

    @Sergiu said:
    I just cannot see how this thread was constructive for Drambo’s shape...

    But how was/is it destructive? How are we worse off?

  • CluelessClueless

    Maybe someone could post more demos about the sound. More Audio examples or it did not happen :)

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Clueless said:
    Maybe someone could post more demos about the sound. More Audio examples or it did not happen :)

    The sound is in your hands. It's not like you buy yet another app, skip through the presets for a while and buy the next one.
    The whole idea is to build your own synths and effects and use and sequence them either inside the app or in the host environment of your choice.
    You like Shockwave but you want a polyphonic version of it?
    Go ahead, you'll be able to build it in Drambo.
    Will Drambo help you building it?
    Well, it will provide the tools to do it, but without a fair amount of knowledge about what kind of synthesis it's based on and what makes it sound great, you might quickly become disappointed.
    That's why I said that now could be a good time to get familiar with the subject if you aren't already.
    One if the many available resources can be found here, for example:
    http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/nordmodularbook/nordmodularbook.pdf

    Another resource, maybe even better for a start, can be found here:
    https://medias.audiofanzine.com/files/guide-wizoo-pour-nord-modular-476982.pdf

    They're about the old Nord Modular systems but the theory behind it is exactly the same for all modular synths.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Clueless said:
    Maybe someone could post more demos about the sound. More Audio examples or it did not happen :)

    There is another thread with videos now. Not a mega thread yet.

  • CluelessClueless
    edited February 2020

    @rs2000 said:

    @Clueless said:
    Maybe someone could post more demos about the sound. More Audio examples or it did not happen :)

    The sound is in your hands. It's not like you buy yet another app, skip through the presets for a while and buy the next one.
    The whole idea is to build your own synths and effects and use and sequence them either inside the app or in the host environment of your choice.
    You like Shockwave but you want a polyphonic version of it?
    Go ahead, you'll be able to build it in Drambo.
    Will Drambo help you building it?
    Well, it will provide the tools to do it, but without a fair amount of knowledge about what kind of synthesis it's based on and what makes it sound great, you might quickly become disappointed.
    That's why I said that now could be a good time to get familiar with the subject if you aren't already.
    One if the many available resources can be found here, for example:
    http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/nordmodularbook/nordmodularbook.pdf

    Another resource, maybe even better for a start, can be found here:
    https://medias.audiofanzine.com/files/guide-wizoo-pour-nord-modular-476982.pdf

    They're about the old Nord Modular systems but the theory behind it is exactly the same for all modular synths.

    @rs2000 said:

    @Clueless said:
    Maybe someone could post more demos about the sound. More Audio examples or it did not happen :)

    The sound is in your hands. It's not like you buy yet another app, skip through the presets for a while and buy the next one.
    The whole idea is to build your own synths and effects and use and sequence them either inside the app or in the host environment of your choice.
    You like Shockwave but you want a polyphonic version of it?
    Go ahead, you'll be able to build it in Drambo.
    Will Drambo help you building it?
    Well, it will provide the tools to do it, but without a fair amount of knowledge about what kind of synthesis it's based on and what makes it sound great, you might quickly become disappointed.
    That's why I said that now could be a good time to get familiar with the subject if you aren't already.
    One if the many available resources can be found here, for example:
    http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/nordmodularbook/nordmodularbook.pdf

    Another resource, maybe even better for a start, can be found here:
    https://medias.audiofanzine.com/files/guide-wizoo-pour-nord-modular-476982.pdf

    They're about the old Nord Modular systems but the theory behind it is exactly the same for all modular synths.

    Thank‘s. Yes i know. I work with modulars and really like that it can be as simple or complex as you want. But still in the meantime i just would love to see/hear some longer videos about some sound designs with it. Also each modular is and sounds different even if you do the same things.
    But of course a release would be even better ;)

  • CluelessClueless

    @Shiro said:

    @Clueless said:
    Maybe someone could post more demos about the sound. More Audio examples or it did not happen :)

    There is another thread with videos now. Not a mega thread yet.

    Yes, thank you. I saw them all and even read the whole Drumbo thread. The hype is still real.

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    I am enjoying the wait as it spurred me to return to Impaktor for some fun. What a gem!

    I am not enjoying the discourse in this thread but easy enough to scan for videos from @giku_beepstreet and @bcrichards and @Shiro !

  • giku_beepstreetgiku_beepstreet
    edited February 2020

    Working on presets now and you asked for sound examples of this drum machine :)

    Stereo supersaw (improved sunrizer version), triangle sub, envelope, 24db lpf, a shaper (hq, bandlimited dsp) and chorus. Voice number module to spread filter peaks in OB style

  • CluelessClueless
    edited February 2020

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    Working on presets now and you asked for sound examples of this drum machine :)

    Stereo supersaw (improved sunrizer version), triangle sub, envelope, 24db lpf, a shaper (hq, bandlimited dsp) and chorus. Voice number module to spread filter peaks in OB style

    Thank you. Yeah, it sounds really nice and juicy.
    And „drum machine“ is definitely an understatement;)
    Dagger filters maybe in the future :D

  • RobertFernandesRobertFernandes

    Lovely! Thank you!

  • TreaszureTreaszure 
                                 **Digital Rhythmic Analog Modular Beat Orchestrator**
  • giku_beepstreetgiku_beepstreet

    :D

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Treaszure said:
    Digital Rhythmic Analog Modular Beat Orchestrator

    Now we know! 😅

  • TreaszureTreaszure

    @rs2000 said:

    @Treaszure said:
    Digital Rhythmic Analog Modular Beat Orchestrator

    Now we know! 😅

    ;)

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Treaszure said:
    Digital Rhythmic Analog Modular Beat Orchestrator

    love it!

  • RajahPRajahP

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    Working on presets now and you asked for sound examples of this drum machine :)

    Stereo supersaw (improved sunrizer version), triangle sub, envelope, 24db lpf, a shaper (hq, bandlimited dsp) and chorus. Voice number module to spread filter peaks in OB style

    Bravo...

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    @RajahP said:

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    Working on presets now and you asked for sound examples of this drum machine :)

    Stereo supersaw (improved sunrizer version), triangle sub, envelope, 24db lpf, a shaper (hq, bandlimited dsp) and chorus. Voice number module to spread filter peaks in OB style

    Bravo...

    I hesitate to criticize, but are we entering Emperor's New Clothes territory here? This is a fine sound but it's pretty ordinary, isn't it? It sounds like iSem to me, or Zeeon, or any number of Sunrizer patches.

    In the debate over whether this gargantuan thread — the chalice of all our dreams! — is harmful, the answer is OF COURSE NOT. It's just people bantering! But I do worry that Drambo is being built up to the point where it will have to alter the universe to succeed. I just want a good AU sampler and sequencer; everything else is gravy.

    But after the @rs2000's oracular pronouncements and a list of 124 sometimes baffling modules of things like "sinus," "1/x," "slew limiter," I worry that I might not enter the cult of Drambo right away.

  • supadomsupadom

    @gusgranite said:
    There better be one massive 🎲 to press...

    I’ve pressed it but I don’t think it works. Might be a bug @giku_beepstreet ?

  • supadomsupadom

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @RajahP said:

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    Working on presets now and you asked for sound examples of this drum machine :)

    Stereo supersaw (improved sunrizer version), triangle sub, envelope, 24db lpf, a shaper (hq, bandlimited dsp) and chorus. Voice number module to spread filter peaks in OB style

    Bravo...

    I hesitate to criticize, but are we entering Emperor's New Clothes territory here? This is a fine sound but it's pretty ordinary, isn't it? It sounds like iSem to me, or Zeeon, or any number of Sunrizer patches.

    In the debate over whether this gargantuan thread — the chalice of all our dreams! — is harmful, the answer is OF COURSE NOT. It's just people bantering! But I do worry that Drambo is being built up to the point where it will have to alter the universe to succeed. I just want a good AU sampler and sequencer; everything else is gravy.

    But after the @rs2000's oracular pronouncements and a list of 124 sometimes baffling modules of things like "sinus," "1/x," "slew limiter," I worry that I might not enter the cult of Drambo right away.

    You can make your Drambo experience as simple or as complicated as you wish. I don’t think I’ve ever used the niche 30% of the modules installed in my over a year long Drambo testing career. I wouldn’t know what to do with them. Still, I’ve managed to make some dope stuff with it. If you want an AU sampler and a sequencer there’s plenty for you to chew on. ;)

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    @supadom said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @RajahP said:

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    Working on presets now and you asked for sound examples of this drum machine :)

    Stereo supersaw (improved sunrizer version), triangle sub, envelope, 24db lpf, a shaper (hq, bandlimited dsp) and chorus. Voice number module to spread filter peaks in OB style

    Bravo...

    I hesitate to criticize, but are we entering Emperor's New Clothes territory here? This is a fine sound but it's pretty ordinary, isn't it? It sounds like iSem to me, or Zeeon, or any number of Sunrizer patches.

    In the debate over whether this gargantuan thread — the chalice of all our dreams! — is harmful, the answer is OF COURSE NOT. It's just people bantering! But I do worry that Drambo is being built up to the point where it will have to alter the universe to succeed. I just want a good AU sampler and sequencer; everything else is gravy.

    But after the @rs2000's oracular pronouncements and a list of 124 sometimes baffling modules of things like "sinus," "1/x," "slew limiter," I worry that I might not enter the cult of Drambo right away.

    You can make your Drambo experience as simple or as complicated as you wish. I don’t think I’ve ever used the niche 30% of the modules installed in my over a year long Drambo testing career. I wouldn’t know what to do with them. Still, I’ve managed to make some dope stuff with it. If you want an AU sampler and a sequencer there’s plenty for you to chew on. ;)

    That's what I want to hear! You had me at "dope stuff."
    Man, no more coffee for me.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @RajahP said:

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    Working on presets now and you asked for sound examples of this drum machine :)

    Stereo supersaw (improved sunrizer version), triangle sub, envelope, 24db lpf, a shaper (hq, bandlimited dsp) and chorus. Voice number module to spread filter peaks in OB style

    Bravo...

    I hesitate to criticize, but are we entering Emperor's New Clothes territory here? This is a fine sound but it's pretty ordinary, isn't it? It sounds like iSem to me, or Zeeon, or any number of Sunrizer patches.

    In the debate over whether this gargantuan thread — the chalice of all our dreams! — is harmful, the answer is OF COURSE NOT. It's just people bantering! But I do worry that Drambo is being built up to the point where it will have to alter the universe to succeed. I just want a good AU sampler and sequencer; everything else is gravy.

    But after the @rs2000's oracular pronouncements and a list of 124 sometimes baffling modules of things like "sinus," "1/x," "slew limiter," I worry that I might not enter the cult of Drambo right away.

    The Emperor’s new clothes? Really? If anything it’s the opposite of the Emperor’s new clothes as the developer and several of the beta testers have shared videos which you can look at and see the app in action. This seems to be a relatively transparent development process rather than an invisible one as implied by the Emperor’s new clothes comparison. The developer is certainly in no position to compel people to buy Drambo or to even say good things about it.

    As to whether or not the sound is generic or can be produced in other existing apps doesn’t focus on the whole point of being able to create your own custom effect or synth versus one synth patch just being an example of what is possible. The developer has stated he’s putting together patches for the app so it seems like one could get a better sense of what the app can do once these patches can be shown to the public.

    As to using the app, you could learn more about modular synthesis and create your own patches, or when it’s released you can presumably download patches created by other users, modify them, or some combination of the above. Relative to many modular approaches, Drambo is definitely on the more straightforward end of the spectrum versus more complex and needing to get into the weeds of modular synthesis to do anything with it.

  • ChancedMusicChancedMusic

    Ya’ll got me wanting to watch Emperor’s New Groove.

  • colonel_mustardcolonel_mustard

    The emperor’s new threads? The emperor’s new close? I feel like there’s something here.

    Looking forward to release day fwiw :)

  • OnesksenoOneskseno

    I think the comparison was done on the part that in the story everyone complimented the emperor's new clothes even though he didn't have any.

  • robosardinerobosardine

    I think it’s a fair enough point, and it’s probably something that has occurred to others as well.. myself included.
    With no offence intended to those providing the demos, I have visited the thread on occasion over the years and have yet to hear something eminently memorable that I can’t wait to get my hands on - in the same way that I have done with several other apps that have been due for release. I’m not too exited about it at the moment, especially given other recent releases and updates which I am absolutely in the groove with.
    I will of course be delighted In the future to discover that this conclusion was misconstrued. Perhaps I don’t fully understand its capabilities yet or maybe I feel that I’ve got everything I might want at the moment.... that could be it.

  • J_BJ_B

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @RajahP said:

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    Working on presets now and you asked for sound examples of this drum machine :)

    Stereo supersaw (improved sunrizer version), triangle sub, envelope, 24db lpf, a shaper (hq, bandlimited dsp) and chorus. Voice number module to spread filter peaks in OB style

    Bravo...

    I hesitate to criticize, but are we entering Emperor's New Clothes territory here? This is a fine sound but it's pretty ordinary, isn't it? It sounds like iSem to me, or Zeeon, or any number of Sunrizer patches.

    In the debate over whether this gargantuan thread — the chalice of all our dreams! — is harmful, the answer is OF COURSE NOT. It's just people bantering! But I do worry that Drambo is being built up to the point where it will have to alter the universe to succeed. I just want a good AU sampler and sequencer; everything else is gravy.

    But after the @rs2000's oracular pronouncements and a list of 124 sometimes baffling modules of things like "sinus," "1/x," "slew limiter," I worry that I might not enter the cult of Drambo right away.

    It’s just gonna be like a modular, no one expects one to know everything or use every module but the fact that it’s there is what makes it great. One day after intense or even not so intense use you’ll think, fuck I wish I could do this. And lo and behold, you can.

    Not sure if I’m getting high hopes but it looks to me like it does a lot of what my octatrack does but with a modular synth in each track. I absolutely adore my octatrack but if I can get it’s functions in an app I’d rather have money in my pocket. Not sure if that’s a big ask or if expensive music hardware is running on ancient technology being far surpassed by iOS now. I know mpc lives run on old tablet chips supposedly

  • PhilippePhilippe

    Emperor's new clothes somehow reminds me of Giku's hospital dress.

    ... as his last demo video made me wonder how it must feel to have this much coding power.
    If it wasn't about the broken limb, I would have suspected a god like nature, or was it just staging?

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

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