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New NS2 Screenshots and info (apr 30)

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  • I’m just looking forward to something new to buy... 😝

  • @AndyPlankton said:
    Showing a lot of promise...but then so have other apps....will wait for release and feedback on here before I get excited by another app....

    for now...

    What facility exactly are you living in again?!

  • @fattigman said:
    This is the year of NS2 and OP-Z (I hope)

    Forgive my ignorance but what is OP-Z?

  • Excise my non-enthusiasm here, but, why do we need Nanostudio 2?

    I think we have it all, already...
    We have Beatmaker 3, Auria Pro, Cubasis, GarageBand, and, maybe ten more nice N2-substitute...

    Sure, when Andy is ready it might be a terrific music making program, but, why wait for NS2 when we already have all the tools?

  • edited May 2018

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Excise my non-enthusiasm here, but, why do we need Nanostudio 2?

    I think we have it all, already...
    We have Beatmaker 3, Auria Pro, Cubasis, GarageBand, and, maybe ten more nice N2-substitute...

    Sure, when Andy is ready it might be a terrific music making program, but, why wait for NS2 when we already have all the tools?

    I don’t think there is any DAW on iOS that is perfect. Auria lacks midi effects, and cubasis lacks busses...
    I hope ns2 will have both. I’m gonna buy it anyway, to support the developer.

  • @Arpseechord OP-Z is the long awaited, super hyped, soon to be released synth from the swedish company Teenage Engineering. It’s super portable and will make a great companion to the iPad.

  • edited May 2018

    @fattigman said:
    @Arpseechord OP-Z is the long awaited, super hyped, soon to be released synth from the swedish company Teenage Engineering. It’s super portable and will make a great companion to the iPad.

    Ah right ok thanks! I’ve heard of Teenage Engineering and so I just did a quick search ....looks like a very cool piece of hardware. There are some videos too cool

  • From all the iOS apps I have, Nano Studio and ... believe it or not Garage Band, have allowed me and incentivised me to complete a whole song. There was something about NanoStudio 1 which allowed me to move very quickly. I'd love it GarageBand would allow us to disable those damn long animations.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    Excise my non-enthusiasm here, but, why do we need Nanostudio 2?

    I think we have it all, already...
    We have Beatmaker 3, Auria Pro, Cubasis, GarageBand, and, maybe ten more nice N2-substitute...

    Sure, when Andy is ready it might be a terrific music making program, but, why wait for NS2 when we already have all the tools?

    I would it buy for Obsidian alone and for the saturation module (even love the one in NS1 really these days....if i could just use it on my phone).
    Also for me NS1 is/was still the best self contained DAW for a multi-touch device.
    Now with the new features it might be close to perfect for me. For more complex things i would anyway use a desktop DAW. NS2 might catch again the sweet spot. It does not all but i bet it does the things well it does.
    It has the only real great looking hybrid synth included in an iOS DAW with a nice FM section as well.
    The sequencer looks great too and the kind of stack/group tracks is what i want too to create, save and recall some multi-instruments ala´ Logic with a good multi-touch workflow.
    Other DAW´s might catch it too but this will be iPhone also (not at the beginning).
    Damn, i just would buy Obsidian only for 50 bucks :)

  • @alecsbuga said:
    From all the iOS apps I have, Nano Studio and ... believe it or not Garage Band, have allowed me and incentivised me to complete a whole song. There was something about NanoStudio 1 which allowed me to move very quickly. I'd love it GarageBand would allow us to disable those damn long animations.

    Lots of other things, but at root this. Ease of use. Getting shit done. And maybe some nostalgia. NS1 earned that from me. And I can't use it now and I want a replacement and NS2 is it. And there will be holes and odd molehills that for some will seem more mountainous, but this fellow's earned my money several times over already and I'm looking forward to making another payment.

  • What will NS2 offer in the way of beats/rhythms I wonder? The talk has mainly been about MIDI and synths so far.

  • I am curious too... but so far it sounds mainly like has a nice synth... but I only want those in AU form now.

  • @gusgranite said:
    What will NS2 offer in the way of beats/rhythms I wonder? The talk has mainly been about MIDI and synths so far.

    The pads are a well needed upgrade. 3 layers of samples. Velocity split, crossfade between layers. Read the topic. Interesting stuff.

    Matt has split the screenshots into separate topics so we can talk about the features "in private"

  • I don’t have NS1 so I’m unfamiliar with the basic workflow. Would I be able to use StepPolyArp or Quantum with this easily to record midi from those apps in this new iteration?

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    Excise my non-enthusiasm here, but, why do we need Nanostudio 2?

    I think we have it all, already...
    We have Beatmaker 3, Auria Pro, Cubasis, GarageBand, and, maybe ten more nice N2-substitute...

    Sure, when Andy is ready it might be a terrific music making program, but, why wait for NS2 when we already have all the tools?

    WORKFLOW. NS1 (and presumably NS2) has a great easy-to-use linear sequencer that is the heart of my workflow. I don’t like the loop-based sequencers as much, like Loopy, BM, etc., because it feels too much like I have a lot of spinning plates and I have to frantically keep looking at all the plates. NS1 & NS2 can be used with loops in a linear sequencer & easy tonuse piano roll - that works for me.
    I know many people would think I was crazy if I had asked why did we need those apps when we have NS1. We all work slightly differently and have different tastes/genres and possess varying amounts of technical knowledge and free time. Many people found that NS1 was the perfect combination of functionality and easy of use to get projects done. It may not be necessary for everyone, but I do feel that every musician will find NS2 useful.

    The ‘hype’ around NS2 revolves around all the added functionality that was not even possible at the release of NS1 due to limitations of hardware and iOS. As a DAW that can host AUv3 it will be very useful in bringing AUv3 apps into my workflow. I anticipate a separate parallel workflow with AB compatible apps which I will integrate with NS2 as soon as the Audio Tracks IAP becomes available. For me, that will finally be a workflow that will allow me to easily use most if not all of the apps I have but never really use, and my room full of hardware.

    There are a lot of apps that I buy but never really use due to limitations in the workflow. NS2 will alleviate that and provide a legitimate reason to get shinny new apps that I don’t really need furthering my GAS/AAS. :smile:

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    @JohnnyGoodyear You were just teeing this one up for me, I presume?

    Or is it, that as in essence whiteness is not so much a color as the visible absence of color; and at the same time the concrete of all colors; is it for these reasons that there is such a dumb blankness, full of meaning, in a wide landscape of snows- a colorless, all-color of atheism from which we shrink? And when we consider that other theory of the natural philosophers, that all other earthly hues — every stately or lovely emblazoning — the sweet tinges of sunset skies and woods; yea, and the gilded velvets of butterflies, and the butterfly cheeks of young girls; all these are but subtile deceits, not actually inherent in substances, but only laid on from without; so that all deified Nature absolutely paints like the harlot, whose allurements cover nothing but the charnel-house within; and when we proceed further, and consider that the mystical cosmetic which produces every one of her hues, the great principle of light, for ever remains white or colorless in itself, and if operating without medium upon matter, would touch all objects, even tulips and roses, with its own blank tinge — pondering all this, the palsied universe lies before us a leper; and like wilful travellers in Lapland, who refuse to wear colored and coloring glasses upon their eyes, so the wretched infidel gazes himself blind at the monumental white shroud that wraps all the prospect around him. And of all these things the Albino whale was the symbol. Wonder ye then at the fiery hunt?

    But yes.

    Funny to think that HM is probably under-rated if anything at this point in history....

    Indeed. I could read that section 50 times and marvel a bit more each time.

    I refuse to believe he is underrated. Say it ain’t so!

  • edited May 2018

    @Slam_Cut said:
    as soon as the Audio Tracks IAP becomes available.

    Woah.... OK, I was wondering about this. I will certainly take a closer look once Audio Tracks appears. The skeptic in me says it won't even come close to my pickiness but I am wrong most of the time about most things in life so fingers crossed I am wrong again.

  • @Slam_Cut said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Excise my non-enthusiasm here, but, why do we need Nanostudio 2?

    I think we have it all, already...
    We have Beatmaker 3, Auria Pro, Cubasis, GarageBand, and, maybe ten more nice N2-substitute...

    Sure, when Andy is ready it might be a terrific music making program, but, why wait for NS2 when we already have all the tools?

    WORKFLOW. NS1 (and presumably NS2) has a great easy-to-use linear sequencer that is the heart of my workflow. I don’t like the loop-based sequencers as much, like Loopy, BM, etc., because it feels too much like I have a lot of spinning plates and I have to frantically keep looking at all the plates. NS1 & NS2 can be used with loops in a linear sequencer & easy tonuse piano roll - that works for me.
    I know many people would think I was crazy if I had asked why did we need those apps when we have NS1. We all work slightly differently and have different tastes/genres and possess varying amounts of technical knowledge and free time. Many people found that NS1 was the perfect combination of functionality and easy of use to get projects done. It may not be necessary for everyone, but I do feel that every musician will find NS2 useful.

    The ‘hype’ around NS2 revolves around all the added functionality that was not even possible at the release of NS1 due to limitations of hardware and iOS. As a DAW that can host AUv3 it will be very useful in bringing AUv3 apps into my workflow. I anticipate a separate parallel workflow with AB compatible apps which I will integrate with NS2 as soon as the Audio Tracks IAP becomes available. For me, that will finally be a workflow that will allow me to easily use most if not all of the apps I have but never really use, and my room full of hardware.

    There are a lot of apps that I buy but never really use due to limitations in the workflow. NS2 will alleviate that and provide a legitimate reason to get shinny new apps that I don’t really need furthering my GAS/AAS. :smile:

    You’re wrong about BM3 being loopbase in sequencer...
    There’s an great linear sequencer there...
    Do you have BM?

  • Interesting post from the NS developer here:
    http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/11966

  • edited May 2018

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Excise my non-enthusiasm here, but, why do we need Nanostudio 2?

    I think we have it all, already...
    We have Beatmaker 3, Auria Pro, Cubasis, GarageBand, and, maybe ten more nice N2-substitute...

    Sure, when Andy is ready it might be a terrific music making program, but, why wait for NS2 when we already have all the tools?

    I don't think there's any reason to wait for NS2 to make music. That doesn't mean there's no reason want (or get) NS2 though. None of those are a full NS substitute and NS isn't really a substitute for any of them. Similar but different beasts, each of them.

    Other than the ease-of-use/workflow that so many people have mentioned, I think the main thing that sets NS apart from the DAW-like apps you listed is the integrated synth. None of those have a built-in synth as powerful as NS1's Eden (imo) and NS2 is stepping it way up with Obsidian. And the synth is core to the experience—you'll notice in the 'Add Track' dialog he posted, the first option is 'Add Obsidian Track'.

    If the ability to use a ton of instances of a good built-in synth is important to you, NS will bring the joy. That's not to take away from the others though. For me, they all have there own special sauce (BM: sampling, AP: audio, GB: ease of use and included instruments, Cubasis: good combo of all it).

  • @gusgranite said:
    What will NS2 offer in the way of beats/rhythms I wonder? The talk has mainly been about MIDI and synths so far.

    How do you mean? I mostly use MIDI to create beat and rhythms so I'm a little confused by the question.

  • @Cib said:
    Interesting post from the NS developer here:
    http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/11966

    "Why haven't you answered some other questions I asked?
    Probably because the answer's no and I can't think of a way of expressing it positively."

    Hah! I'm so stealing this! :D

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    Excise my non-enthusiasm here, but, why do we need Nanostudio 2?

    I think we have it all, already...
    We have Beatmaker 3, Auria Pro, Cubasis, GarageBand, and, maybe ten more nice N2-substitute...

    Sure, when Andy is ready it might be a terrific music making program, but, why wait for NS2 when we already have all the tools?

    Workflow.
    One has Ableton Link, one doesn't. One has Midi Export, one doesn't..

    I guess we are on a mission for the 'perfect' DAW..

    If it doesn't have Ableton link... I am not interested... Straight up

  • @brambos said:

    @Cib said:
    Interesting post from the NS developer here:
    http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/11966

    "Why haven't you answered some other questions I asked?
    Probably because the answer's no and I can't think of a way of expressing it positively."

    Hah! I'm so stealing this! :D

    Plus plus. There's a really good dinner waiting to happen amongst all of this one of these fine days....I think a dozen or so folks, large table, preferably Napa Valley or if that's deemed too soft the Cairngorms....

  • I would gave away Falcon plug-in for NS2 in a heartbeat.......

  • You’re wrong about BM3 being loopbase in sequencer...
    There’s an great linear sequencer there...
    Do you have BM?

    OK, I’m alright with that. My point wasn’t pointed at BM3 or any other app in particular. I had original BM before I got NS1 (which worked much better for me). I haven’t gotten BM2/3 based on reviews of those and I was satisfied with NS1. BM3 may be great, and I’m not arguing against any app - rather just answering the question about ‘why NS2’, esp. for those who may not have used NS1. Apps are cheap enough that we can afford to have several iOS DAW. We are quite fortunate and things have improved considerably over the past decade.

    I only offer some positive reviews of NS1 in the face of the zeitgeist malaise of ‘meh, who cares’ that is prevalent all over the internet with all things. NS2 looks to be a high-quality app by the type of dedicated developer that we should be supporting. I hope people won’t resist looking into NS2 out of some sort of ‘taking sides’ against it because one feels loyal to another app. We need/want a lot of different apps like BM3, Cuasis, AB, etc. I’ve tried many apps and will get more in the future, especially from the dedicated developers who make the iOS music production environment a better experience. Those years of hard work make it possible for us to do what we do. For me NS2 will help me use so many apps that are not now part of my workflow. For anyone else, “Results May Vary”.

    To answer your question more fully about BM3: If I am not mistaken, BM3 has a rompler based ‘synth’ inside, rather than a full synth. Maybe I am thinking of BM2? Anyway, I’m not against that if the sounds are the type I can use in my music. I would be more likely to get BM3 after NS2 comes out if there is a way to make use of BM3’s sounds from NS2 (probably MIDI), using BM3 as a sound module. Maybe you could use the sounds of NS2’s Obsidian and Slate for your BM3 tracks, and we could offer each other tips on how to make that process easier. That’s the sort of value that this forum regularly delivers.

    I’m also hoping to finally be able to use the Korg synths in Gadget while not being in the spinning plates environment.

  • @Slam_Cut said:

    You’re wrong about BM3 being loopbase in sequencer...
    There’s an great linear sequencer there...
    Do you have BM?

    OK, I’m alright with that. My point wasn’t pointed at BM3 or any other app in particular. I had original BM before I got NS1 (which worked much better for me). I haven’t gotten BM2/3 based on reviews of those and I was satisfied with NS1. BM3 may be great, and I’m not arguing against any app - rather just answering the question about ‘why NS2’, esp. for those who may not have used NS1. Apps are cheap enough that we can afford to have several iOS DAW. We are quite fortunate and things have improved considerably over the past decade.

    I only offer some positive reviews of NS1 in the face of the zeitgeist malaise of ‘meh, who cares’ that is prevalent all over the internet with all things. NS2 looks to be a high-quality app by the type of dedicated developer that we should be supporting. I hope people won’t resist looking into NS2 out of some sort of ‘taking sides’ against it because one feels loyal to another app. We need/want a lot of different apps like BM3, Cuasis, AB, etc. I’ve tried many apps and will get more in the future, especially from the dedicated developers who make the iOS music production environment a better experience. Those years of hard work make it possible for us to do what we do. For me NS2 will help me use so many apps that are not now part of my workflow. For anyone else, “Results May Vary”.

    To answer your question more fully about BM3: If I am not mistaken, BM3 has a rompler based ‘synth’ inside, rather than a full synth. Maybe I am thinking of BM2? Anyway, I’m not against that if the sounds are the type I can use in my music. I would be more likely to get BM3 after NS2 comes out if there is a way to make use of BM3’s sounds from NS2 (probably MIDI), using BM3 as a sound module. Maybe you could use the sounds of NS2’s Obsidian and Slate for your BM3 tracks, and we could offer each other tips on how to make that process easier. That’s the sort of value that this forum regularly delivers.

    I’m also hoping to finally be able to use the Korg synths in Gadget while not being in the spinning plates environment.

    BM3 has a rompler based synth?? This is the first I’ve heard of this and I use bm3 almost every day. Lol. No disrespect dude, but what are you talking about, I use gadget too and have no clue about these spinning plates you are referring to...BM3 is like a universe, there are so many ways to do something and so many ways to go about it. I think what I love about BM3 is you can work in it like an akai mpc workflow, or like an ASR, you can work in it like you would with reason or logic, then there is the whole abelton live thing going on I haven quite messed with... I think personally you should not buy a daw for its sounds, you should be building your own sounds, sampling them in, building synths or loading au synths and building sounds with those. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes it’s nice and fun to use presets but at the end of the day I’m much happier building that sick synth sound outta a couple detuned square waves..supporting these devs keeps it all going so I will continue to support all these guys.

  • “I think personally you should not buy a daw for its sounds, you should be building your own sounds, sampling them in, building synths or loading au synths and building sounds with those.”

    That is a valid point. I remember in an old issue of Electronic Musician Craig Anderton wrote “Never use presets.” I’m guessing he never used store bought crayons as a kid but made his own unique colors. I never agreed with that admonition. Violinists and pianists don’t have to make excuses for not creating their instruments, so I have no hesitation in using presets. Mozart didn’t create any presets. Presets are usually made by people who have way more experience with a particular synth than I do and are often quite useful. I make my own presets as well, for some synths, but I often find that a preset that I didn’t program can inspire a composition that I would never have come up with from my own programming. I personally think that limiting myself to using only presets that I create from scratch doesn’t offer any upside. If I were a true purist I would only use presets that I created from scratch and only on synths that I made from scratch. I’m not.

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  • “I think personally you should not buy a daw for its sounds, you should be building your own sounds, sampling them in, building synths or loading au synths and building sounds with those.”

    I think it is completely nothing wrong with using presets .. sound/patch design and composition are 2 different areas and not everybody is best in both of them .. there is lot of talended sound designers who never did whole tracks and there is lot of talented musicians who are border of tweaking sounds, who just make musis (and great music in many cases)

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