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New NS2 Screenshots and info (apr 30)

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  • Shame about audio tracks not being in there from day one as it was the glaring flaw with NS1, but I'm still all over this. Matt has such an elegant design philosophy. He 'gets' how to make life as easy as possible for us on a touchscreen device.

  • @dendy said:

    “I think personally you should not buy a daw for its sounds, you should be building your own sounds, sampling them in, building synths or loading au synths and building sounds with those.”

    I think it is completely nothing wrong with using presets .. sound/patch design and composition are 2 different areas and not everybody is best in both of them .. there is lot of talended sound designers who never did whole tracks and there is lot of talented musicians who are border of tweaking sounds, who just make musis (and great music in many cases)

    It’s much easier and less time consuming to tweak a preset than to start from scratch. That’s usually my approach. So the more presets the merrier.

  • @anickt said:

    @dendy said:

    “I think personally you should not buy a daw for its sounds, you should be building your own sounds, sampling them in, building synths or loading au synths and building sounds with those.”

    I think it is completely nothing wrong with using presets .. sound/patch design and composition are 2 different areas and not everybody is best in both of them .. there is lot of talended sound designers who never did whole tracks and there is lot of talented musicians who are border of tweaking sounds, who just make musis (and great music in many cases)

    It’s much easier and less time consuming to tweak a preset than to start from scratch. That’s usually my approach. So the more presets the merrier.

    I also like multi-instrument presets in DAW´s. Would like to see more here and sharing these things might be great too. F.e. while i love my synth presets i often find in Logic stock presets some outstanding stuff you never could do even with a huge workstation synth.
    It looks NS2 can do this kind of things since via group tracks (seems similar to Logic stacked tracks maybe) where you can add FX and different instruments as tracks and can add FX on another layer then even and hide the "sub" tracks to see just one large instrument. That´s what i want to do in a DAW!

  • @RajahP: “If it doesn't have Ableton link... I am not interested... Straight up”

    It does.

    @Michael_R_Grant: “Shame about audio tracks not being in there from day one as it was the glaring flaw with NS1”

    Yes it is. Matt wanted audio tracks from the start, but decided to release without audio tracks so that the app release date isn’t delayed even further. After release he’ll get on with making the app universal and then adding audio tracks as IAP. He also rationalized it that many people make music with just sequencing and don’t really need audio tracks. In the interim, the Slate pads can have audio of ‘unlimited’ length, so those can be used like audio tracks, just a different workflow. I’ll be looking forward to the audio tracks though. It will help A LOT.

  • ...> @anickt said:

    @dendy said:

    “I think personally you should not buy a daw for its sounds, you should be building your own sounds, sampling them in, building synths or loading au synths and building sounds with those.”

    I think it is completely nothing wrong with using presets .. sound/patch design and composition are 2 different areas and not everybody is best in both of them .. there is lot of talended sound designers who never did whole tracks and there is lot of talented musicians who are border of tweaking sounds, who just make musis (and great music in many cases)

    It’s much easier and less time consuming to tweak a preset than to start from scratch. That’s usually my approach. So the more presets the merrier.

    Oh hecks yah. I can totally get the olde school ’presets are evil’ which was relevant for it’s time. There were few synths and few presets so you kept hearing the same pop up and the intent of the track would get watered down in sameness (blah blah whatever.). Now there are tons of synths, millions of presets and so many outlets (mediums, genres, whatever the hell) for expressing them and then fx on top to boot. Sounding unique and individual can totally be achieved with preset tweaking. I really have not heard much preset bashing like the old days. I think it is now just more of a personal and subjective deal where some people just don’t feel vested in their work unless they do it from scratch.

  • @Slam_Cut said:
    @RajahP: “If it doesn't have Ableton link... I am not interested... Straight up”

    It does.

    @Michael_R_Grant: “Shame about audio tracks not being in there from day one as it was the glaring flaw with NS1”

    Yes it is. Matt wanted audio tracks from the start, but decided to release without audio tracks so that the app release date isn’t delayed even further. After release he’ll get on with making the app universal and then adding audio tracks as IAP. He also rationalized it that many people make music with just sequencing and don’t really need audio tracks. In the interim, the Slate pads can have audio of ‘unlimited’ length, so those can be used like audio tracks, just a different workflow. I’ll be looking forward to the audio tracks though. It will help A LOT.

    Yah a lot of people do make music with just sequencing. That being said a really good audio track editor is just not present on iOS yet and there is a huge void there.

  • I assume that means you don’t like Auria/Auria Pro? I have it and have used it for a couple of tracks, but I’m not quite sure what to think about it.

  • NS1 was the first really useable daw on iOS, a hell of a lot of where we are now was because of this app. His forum was the place to be before this one so I’m exited to see how this comes out.

  • @AudioGus said:
    ...> @anickt said:

    @dendy said:

    “I think personally you should not buy a daw for its sounds, you should be building your own sounds, sampling them in, building synths or loading au synths and building sounds with those.”

    I think it is completely nothing wrong with using presets .. sound/patch design and composition are 2 different areas and not everybody is best in both of them .. there is lot of talended sound designers who never did whole tracks and there is lot of talented musicians who are border of tweaking sounds, who just make musis (and great music in many cases)

    It’s much easier and less time consuming to tweak a preset than to start from scratch. That’s usually my approach. So the more presets the merrier.

    Oh hecks yah. I can totally get the olde school ’presets are evil’ which was relevant for it’s time. There were few synths and few presets so you kept hearing the same pop up and the intent of the track would get watered down in sameness (blah blah whatever.). Now there are tons of synths, millions of presets and so many outlets (mediums, genres, whatever the hell) for expressing them and then fx on top to boot. Sounding unique and individual can totally be achieved with preset tweaking. I really have not heard much preset bashing like the old days. I think it is now just more of a personal and subjective deal where some people just don’t feel vested in their work unless they do it from scratch.

    And yet guitarists always go for similar tones, dance music is based around a core of particular sound types and drum sounds.
    While original sound design and such may be interesting for synth crustys, it is much much less so for people just making music.

  • DCJDCJ
    edited May 2018

    Yeah preset bashing is silly. You can be original using anything. The listener doesn’t care if you made the bass go womp all by yourself.

  • A Synth Crusty?

  • edited May 2018

    @Samplemunch said:

    @AudioGus said:
    ...> @anickt said:

    @dendy said:

    “I think personally you should not buy a daw for its sounds, you should be building your own sounds, sampling them in, building synths or loading au synths and building sounds with those.”

    I think it is completely nothing wrong with using presets .. sound/patch design and composition are 2 different areas and not everybody is best in both of them .. there is lot of talended sound designers who never did whole tracks and there is lot of talented musicians who are border of tweaking sounds, who just make musis (and great music in many cases)

    It’s much easier and less time consuming to tweak a preset than to start from scratch. That’s usually my approach. So the more presets the merrier.

    Oh hecks yah. I can totally get the olde school ’presets are evil’ which was relevant for it’s time. There were few synths and few presets so you kept hearing the same pop up and the intent of the track would get watered down in sameness (blah blah whatever.). Now there are tons of synths, millions of presets and so many outlets (mediums, genres, whatever the hell) for expressing them and then fx on top to boot. Sounding unique and individual can totally be achieved with preset tweaking. I really have not heard much preset bashing like the old days. I think it is now just more of a personal and subjective deal where some people just don’t feel vested in their work unless they do it from scratch.

    And yet guitarists always go for similar tones, dance music is based around a core of particular sound types and drum sounds.
    While original sound design and such may be interesting for synth crustys, it is much much less so for people just making music.

    Yah i think at one time Electronic/Synth stuff was more like an experimental science in terms of hardcore fan appreciation but now the most popular synth stuff (which is dance) is just next generation hair metal. (Sidenote: to me mumble trap is the Cobain/'grunge' end of the electronic spectrum and more about delivering unique tones than dance. But even then the coolest stuff involves more eclectic taste than hardcore programming mastery.)

  • edited May 2018

    @Slam_Cut said:
    @RajahP: “If it doesn't have Ableton link... I am not interested... Straight up”

    It does.

    @Michael_R_Grant: “Shame about audio tracks not being in there from day one as it was the glaring flaw with NS1”

    Yes it is. Matt wanted audio tracks from the start, but decided to release without audio tracks so that the app release date isn’t delayed even further. After release he’ll get on with making the app universal and then adding audio tracks as IAP. He also rationalized it that many people make music with just sequencing and don’t really need audio tracks. In the interim, the Slate pads can have audio of ‘unlimited’ length, so those can be used like audio tracks, just a different workflow. I’ll be looking forward to the audio tracks though. It will help A LOT.

    When toying around in Caustic, I used the PCM synth to trigger samples like vocals and such. Caustic’s drum machine was far more limited. Slate on the other hand is DEEP, and far better suited to sample triggering. Hell, FL Studio (the PC one) had ZERO audio clips prior to (I think) the 4.0 release, and so I’m VERY familiar with this vocal triggering style of workflow. ;)

  • Not preset bashing here, just saying I never buy any DAW for its sounds, i have so many folders of sounds as it is, I prefer an empty DAW with no sounds, when I got bm3 I didn’t get the sounds they were offering. I will buy samples from sites so no, I don’t believe in making everything from scratch, I just think when you get a daw it should be because of what it can do half the time I’m unhappy with the onboard sounds. Synth presets are a different story as many of them sound great with a few little tweaks.. I’ve been writing computer/ electronic music for over 18 years now, I started out using only factory sounds and have had time to build a huge mess of a sample library I would rather not sit going through sounds of some new daw, I love buying new sounds though, or digging through crates sampling stuff. I never said you shouldn’t use presets or onboard sounds... when I learned not to buy a daw or a beat machine for its sounds was in 2009 when I bought beat thang virtual for my computer. It was 149.00 and a buggy mess, yes it had some dope sounds but the headache that came with trying to use it wasnt worth the samples inside it, if I had spent that 149.00 on some sample packs from the trusted sites I love things would have been much nicer, but hey, you gotta learn your lessons some how, that experience also thought me not to buy gear/software based off what the company promises to add in future updates because the future may not even come for that company,.. lol

  • @AudioGus said:
    but now the most popular synth stuff (which is dance) is just next generation hair metal.

    Great line, and so true :)

  • 2013...

    When there was really only 1 DAW,

    and Audiobus was Space Age Tech!

  • .....and we was appy.

    (Actually, probably not.... :) )

  • @SpookyZoo said:
    2013...

    When there was really only 1 DAW,

    and Audiobus was Space Age Tech!

    Did you make that background?

  • edited May 2018

    @syrupcore said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    2013...

    When there was really only 1 DAW,

    and Audiobus was Space Age Tech!

    Did you make that background?

    Yeah, was a shitload of copy paste with one of the first 'Superimpose' photo apps to make the Audiobus 1grid as wallpaper.

    Worth it though! :)

  • @syrupcore said:

    Did you make that background?

    The aspect ratio was for iOS 6 I think, got broke in 7.

    I had posted it online...

    http://spookyzoo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/image.jpg

  • That's an epic amount of work and has got to be the most epic AB fan art ever. @Michael, you shouldn't miss this.

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