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I must agree to the topic and a lot apps are sadly unusable for live tweaking. If you try to set a decay and the value jumps in unexpected ways when lifting the finger or it‘s impossible to fine tune via finger i give up mostly fast.
Touch screens can be great but also really the most terrible thing sometimes.
Actually Korg do it in the best way with rotary control and the "flick" gesture. But the problem could best be solved by any and all app by allowing some kind of tap or double tap or tap and hold to simply type in the number you want. Vertical and horizontal faders are just the worst though.
Huh? What’s the difference between a knob you drag your finger vertically or horizontally to change and a fader, other than presentation?
Personally, I can’t stand rotary control of touch screen knobs! If what you mean is you have to drag some indicator point circularly around a dial, that is IMO the worst method of control ever. There is simply no way I can work that style of knobs. Except jog wheels. Those are OK.
Because I'm right and you're wrong. Just joking.
In all seriousness, because with Rotary control you have a greater range of movement. With Thor you can only drag out and up and down, at best you've got about 45 degrees to move about on either side of the control. With Rotary you get a full 180 degrees.
Why is this a good method on a touchscreen? Because it allows you to utilise the entire screen when you're modulating, you're free to move your finger about the entire screen to get minor and dramatic modulation, again because the closer to the dial the greater the increment and the further away the more precise.
Secondly with a fader you've got a start and an end point and if you want any degree of precision you have to make the fader large enough which takes up a significant portion of the screen. Small faders have a greater tendency to jump around as well.
Knobs are small enabling more controls to be fit on the screen and be easily accessed.
Provided the knobs are implemented properly (e.g. Korg, Poison, Sunrizer) they are superior on large and small screens alike to faders.
Just as with a knob, the size of a fader doesn’t have to have anything to do with the amount of motion needed to move it. You’re assuming the fader can only move to the exact place you touch it. If implemented that way, then true. But the same holds true for rotary. If there’s some way to navigate a larger circle than the knob itself then fine. But if you have to grab some little bitty dot or line and move to some point on a small dial, that sucks. Worse, if you touch a point on the dial and it jumps to that point! I cannot stand controls like that.
My point, is display of a knob or fader is (or 99% of the time should be)** simply a visual representation of the value. The actual gesture to move that control should have a much larger range, and be able to be executed in such a way that the value can be seen.
To me it’s much more comfortable and intuitive to move my finger in a straight line than a circle, but to each their own, and isn’t the point to begin with. I don’t care so much how the value change is communicated (knob, slider, numbers, colors, ahem ... sound), but about the gesture and appropriate range of movement.
** possible exception - large mixer faders
You have to take into account smaller screens, minis, and phones. Faders, particularly in landscape just can't don't work as well as knobs. If you know what you're doing, you'll get a better result with a knob than a fader each and every single time.
You still don’t get it. Movement does not have to equal representation.
Never mind. I give up. Really don’t care.
Lol, there are a few that do that, and as they have no other means of entering the value, it can take ages to get it right.
The iMS20 would get much more use from me if the knobs weren’t so bad to use. For example, say the filter cutoff is on 5, and I want to dial it up to 7 - slight adjustment - when I touch it, it flips back to zero first. Madness.
I’m another slider fan. It’s just an easier manoeuvre, and usually more accurate as a result.
Changing the waves on iWAVESTATION arrrrrrgh!
Haven’t got that one, but I find Korg in general probably have the worst knob response.
I like the knob control on Redshrike. Takes a little getting used to initially, but once you have the sliding away horizontally to change slowly and straight vertically to change fast, it works well.
And WaveMapper has some of the best controls out there!
apeSoft knob control +1
+1000
Amazing Noises too. They’re so good!
I like how some developers give you nice large knobs that are a joy to tweak
Now that's a knob!
Any developers reading this, ableton solved this issue long ago. Map any parameter or set of parameters to an xy controller module. Beatmaker gave us this in the form of Macros.
A little OT, but the Elliott Grarage apps have a nice system. If you press just a little longer on a knob, a nice big dial and numeric output are overplayed on the screen until you touch somewhere else. They work great even on small screens.
Man that must be difficult, doing it with a finger is hard enough
On a physical controller I prefer faders for most things...as you can control lots more at the same time...with rotaries it's one per hand.....with faders, if they're all going in the same direction i can do at least 4 with each hand, plus faders are faster in general.
For apps, I prefer a rotary for display as it takes up less room, but I like to have vertical motion to adjust it, just like a fader...
best of both worlds
Can I just say - Get a midi controller. It will change your life, I swear.
Pro tip: if you select the big colorful wave editing screen, press “wave” again and it will turn green. Now you can press on the top or bottom of the little wave bars to switch the waves forwards or backwards one at a time
+1
Great thanks
Can I use your Dictaphone.
Use Korgs flick gesture and you’ll be good to go. It’s the best gesture anyone have come up with so far to quickly deal with detailed parameters changes on a touch screen.
If the app supports midi mapping.
Yes. Korg flick is awesome
Thanks for having this conversation! Interesting stuff