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Where is iOS Music going? Freeform / Modular / DAW-less

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  • edited June 2018

    @LinearLineman Well stated. I loved reading your post. B)

  • @brambos said:

    @Cib said:

    @brambos said:

    Of course i like to be proven wrong and would like to see actually results here from people doing all this stuff.
    But sadly there isn´t much to hear here beside some short experiments or really mostly talk about it and you see of course some great things from the same few people here.
    So i wonder if it really grows or if that is more just a feeling in this forum here.

    You assume that everybody makes and records music for others to listen to. I think that is a misconception. Making music has become an activity that is as much a creative outlet as it is entertainment and a way to unwind.

    This doesn’t necessarily involve a lot of traditional recording and publishing anymore. That’s part of the paradigm change, if my observations are correct.

    As teenagers, we got our guitars, amps, drums and whatever, set them up in the garage and played for fun. iOS devices let us do it wherever we want and by ourselves, but the activity is the same.

    At some point, if we want to get into the business of recording music, we generally want what we've always wanted - good tools to work with. I think the DAW is still a great tool, but certainly not necessary for everyone wanting to express themselves musically.

  • @brambos said:

    And regarding low cost iOS. That’s a complete anomaly.

    You keep repeating this, but I still think it's simply untrue. iOS = ridiculously low cost. Sure, Logic may be cheap, but that's because Apple is paying it for you. B)

    The difference with iOS for me was that I could try a lot of apps over time, 5 bucks here, 10 bucks there. I already owned Logic, but at least to my knowledge, it was relatively expensive to get into all the various plug-ins I saw available. I believe iOS does offer amazing value for the money.

    From the developer's perspective, iOS prices must be dirt cheap. I know people like to compare to free apps you can get on desktop, or big desktop products that offer in one purchase what is equivalent to a collection of iOS apps, but it's not the same situation. iOS devs are, practically speaking, forced to sell their years of work for a few bucks, even if the app is hugely popular.

  • I thought the article was a great read, and while there are real difference between the two areas of endeavor, it brought to my mind my own research into making my iPad into a workable environment for doing software development. In a desktop/laptop setting, the de facto “right way” to handle a software project of any complexity is in some kind of IDE (integrated development environment) - some languages and project types literally have one piece of software that is like “a DAW” and that is called an IDE, while others might have a really full-featured, special purpose editor for source code and then one or maybe two other tools that work closely with that editor; these are essentially an IDE but aren’t called that explicitly. What I’ve found looking into doing “real work” in software on my iPad is that here, too, that paradigm tends to break down into something much more “modular” and federated, but which works because you can focus on one task at a time much more effectively in a UI that is designed with the strengths and constraints of iOS in mind.

    Whether it develops that most users end up needing a timeline to do their best, or fiddliest, or as one poster earlier in the thread put it (and I shall now paraphrase terribly) “work after the composition is done” work, I think that we will eventually see that trying to lift and shift the desktop workflow onto these weird, magical little slabs of computronium we all carry around now was a quaint, if effective, first draft of whatever the eventual folkways of music creation on touch devices end up becoming.

  • @hlprmnky said:
    I thought the article was a great read, and while there are real difference between the two areas of endeavor, it brought to my mind my own research into making my iPad into a workable environment for doing software development. In a desktop/laptop setting, the de facto “right way” to handle a software project of any complexity is in some kind of IDE (integrated development environment) - some languages and project types literally have one piece of software that is like “a DAW” and that is called an IDE, while others might have a really full-featured, special purpose editor for source code and then one or maybe two other tools that work closely with that editor; these are essentially an IDE but aren’t called that explicitly. What I’ve found looking into doing “real work” in software on my iPad is that here, too, that paradigm tends to break down into something much more “modular” and federated, but which works because you can focus on one task at a time much more effectively in a UI that is designed with the strengths and constraints of iOS in mind.

    Whether it develops that most users end up needing a timeline to do their best, or fiddliest, or as one poster earlier in the thread put it (and I shall now paraphrase terribly) “work after the composition is done” work, I think that we will eventually see that trying to lift and shift the desktop workflow onto these weird, magical little slabs of computronium we all carry around now was a quaint, if effective, first draft of whatever the eventual folkways of music creation on touch devices end up becoming.

    That was an awesome read. B)

  • @CracklePot said:

    @theinvisibleman said:

    @Janosax said:

    @theinvisibleman said:
    So I have been making music forever but I just moved to Ios in the last two weeks and loving it. The only app I haven't bought yet is a DAW and i don't want to. AUM is amazing and i want to follow a more modular work flow, however I have come across a issue. I can't find a simple solution to recording midi. I can capture all my audio ideas and jams via audio share but recording midi? Is there no midishare?

    You will need to route midi with AUM routing matrix, and record midi in a sequencer app like Xequence, or Aleph/Infinite Looper.

    @universe said:

    @richardyot said:
    It's definitely an interesting perspective, although far from being the only one. I personally still need a timeline (and I'm not looking for Ableton on iOS either) so I do my composing either in GarageBand or Gadget, and do my mixing in Auria.

    The modular approach is great for jamming, writing, noodling, but it's much harder to put together a tight and focused end product with that approach. I like to try and make tracks with no unnecessary parts in them, and for that you need a timeline to flesh out the structure.

    Agreed. Really confused as to how proper song construction with verse chorus middle eight etc are put together on iOS without a timeline / daw scenario. I don’t see how this is ever going to change. Live jamming is something completely different.

    You can also record all your AUM audio stuff, using midi or not, in Blocs Wave though Audiobus using sections for chorus/verses..., and then use Launchpad to create your song structure in real time.

    Say i want to record 4 audio tracks and 4 midi tracks from AUM , Audioshare will record the audio tracks but will Xequence record the 4 midi tracks or will it merge the 4 tracks into one midi file?

    As far as I know, most sequencer apps that record midi do it one track at a time. Xequence will merge all the incoming midi to a single track when recording.
    There may be some that can record multiple tracks, but I never needed to so I haven’t looked for that specific feature. I will keep an eye out for it now and let you know if I come across any.

    Thanks man, yes I need midi recorded on separate tracks, it seems I really need to get a DAW to do this.

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  • Certainly the appealing of workflows are bind to what popular artists are using (or showing / advertising). We need to dream ! Past years have seen modulars and « boxes » being shown by a lot of artists, so people are going modulars and « boxes ». And because there is some « geek » in those practices it is popular in forums and « communities ».
    But a lot of successful music is still based on « song structure » from the 50s. So a lot more people are dreaming of making « pop » songs. And then need a timeline. Hence the majority of DAW being timeline based. Even in the modular world, the new trend is « advanced » sequencers with severals tracks and patterns and song modes...

  • @SebAudio said:
    Certainly the appealing of workflows are bind to what popular artists are using (or showing / advertising). We need to dream ! Past years have seen modulars and « boxes » being shown by a lot of artists, so people are going modulars and « boxes ». And because there is some « geek » in those practices it is popular in forums and « communities ».
    But a lot of successful music is still based on « song structure » from the 50s. So a lot more people are dreaming of making « pop » songs. And then need a timeline. Hence the majority of DAW being timeline based. Even in the modular world, the new trend is « advanced » sequencers with severals tracks and patterns and song modes...

    Software can blur the lines though. Hardware is limited by several factors, not least its cost. Imagine being able to use the modular gear but still have access to that timeline if you want -it’s happening steadily.

  • @brambos

    Thinking about the DAWless approach, I’ve come across a need that you may be able to help with (either suggestion of how or a product that does it).

    I use my iPad stand alone often (only connected to headphones or monitor speakers). Often there is only room or ability to have one single keyboard on screen at a time, but I may be wanting to change the key of several different arps or sequences, but can’t use the keyboard as I’m playing a lead on it.

    I could really do with a very simple AU midi note sender that lets me enter a key to send, then does a set amount of time before the next note send and so on. Or even one that sends chords as well. It needs to have hold and stop too. It just needs to be really simple so I can program a few key changes almost on the fly.

    What do you think? Am I missing something already or is this a possible new AUMidi Gadget?

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    @brambos

    Thinking about the DAWless approach, I’ve come across a need that you may be able to help with (either suggestion of how or a product that does it).

    I use my iPad stand alone often (only connected to headphones or monitor speakers). Often there is only room or ability to have one single keyboard on screen at a time, but I may be wanting to change the key of several different arps or sequences, but can’t use the keyboard as I’m playing a lead on it.

    I could really do with a very simple AU midi note sender that lets me enter a key to send, then does a set amount of time before the next note send and so on. Or even one that sends chords as well. It needs to have hold and stop too. It just needs to be really simple so I can program a few key changes almost on the fly.

    What do you think? Am I missing something already or is this a possible new AUMidi Gadget?

    To add to this, could do with a little AUMidi keyboard too - having a seperate onscreen keyboard would be so helpful at times!

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  • edited June 2018

    @Dawdles said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    @brambos

    Thinking about the DAWless approach, I’ve come across a need that you may be able to help with (either suggestion of how or a product that does it).

    I use my iPad stand alone often (only connected to headphones or monitor speakers). Often there is only room or ability to have one single keyboard on screen at a time, but I may be wanting to change the key of several different arps or sequences, but can’t use the keyboard as I’m playing a lead on it.

    I could really do with a very simple AU midi note sender that lets me enter a key to send, then does a set amount of time before the next note send and so on. Or even one that sends chords as well. It needs to have hold and stop too. It just needs to be really simple so I can program a few key changes almost on the fly.

    What do you think? Am I missing something already or is this a possible new AUMidi Gadget?

    Could maybe sequence a different key/chord in to separate BM3 scene clips or along the timeline (you can move along the timeline in sync to bars during playback) and point those clips/Timeline locations at your AUs? Or dunno if could do it via inter app midi if wanted to host AUs inside AUM instead of BM3?

    It’s for times when I’m just using a host without a timeline. I rarely use IAA devices so they are out - too many problems

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  • @Dawdles said:

    @SebAudio said:
    Certainly the appealing of workflows are bind to what popular artists are using (or showing / advertising). We need to dream ! Past years have seen modulars and « boxes » being shown by a lot of artists, so people are going modulars and « boxes ». And because there is some « geek » in those practices it is popular in forums and « communities ».
    But a lot of successful music is still based on « song structure » from the 50s. So a lot more people are dreaming of making « pop » songs. And then need a timeline. Hence the majority of DAW being timeline based. Even in the modular world, the new trend is « advanced » sequencers with severals tracks and patterns and song modes...

    Yeah for sure, recent eurorack developments have made multitrack sequencing far more accessible. (Thankfully as 90% Of modular performances are pretty difficult listening/tedious/self-indulgent ;) Some of the new sequcencer modules look great. Considering buying the Eloquencer module atm when I start a rig.

    Main attraction of modular is having everything in front of me at once and simultaneously everything instantly routable to experiment. Vcvrack sucks on an iPad sized screen and without a mouse. Makes me wanna scream. Cool on a big monitor though. But lame when using it with ableton. Having to switch views between vCV and ableton and potentially deal with some fiddly routing. I’d rather just use one or the other at a time. Vcv has definitely made me wanna get hardware eurorack though and be able to have hands on modular in front of me at the same time as ableton is open and doing its thing.

    iPad is never gonna nail the modular thing (in terms of linking separate AUs in a eurorack performance style) from my POV simply down to screen size. On iPad I like to do as much as I can without resizing or switching apps. It’s unavoidable tho... But ideally using as few apps as possible. Interested to use Drambo but that’s an actual self contained modular app, not linking multiple apps in a pseudo modular fashion... I find using that kind of pseudo-modular config pretty painful/limiting to do any complex composition or performance (using only a single iPad).... maybe devs will nail a workflow/environment for that (global scenes and snapshots in AUM and Apematrix would be a big step...) but I’m not sure... the screen size is just incredibly limiting in terms of fluid dawless workflow/performance involving any more than a handful of apps...

    Never say never lol.

    Touch screen used well could give a similar experience. The eyes can basically look at one area at a time, but use peripheral vision and memory to compensate. The difficulty is not replicating this in a graphical touch UI, but then replicating stretching to two distant areas and then altering two knobs at once.

    The peripheral vision could be compensated for by a area slide box that one finger controls taking you to the box you want to alter. This could be quick, but you need to really be constantly in touch with it to move to devices quickly. It’s the devices themselves that need to be designed well for the limited size of the iPad screens.

    The altering in more than two different areas at once, is actually quite rare even for those more tweaking of live modular players, so it’s pretty much how do we combat this two area tweak problem? Well, how about a seperate controller surface on another iPad and two periphery controllers? Could work - basically one iPad still runs all the audio so no delays, but the other one is just a midi controller and exact copy of the main iPad control (without the directional controllers.

    If done right, you could control where the iPad screen points to device wise by your thumb and fore finger on one hand. Your right hand then changes controls. Yes, there is still the problem of using one hand to find the area then moving to dial the change - this could be done by foot controllers though!

    Yeah it’s unlikely to happen. In some ways it’s easier to just buy lots of iPads, but that makes communicating between them in a modular way far more difficult. But it’s not impossible and that’s why I love thinking of ‘what if?’ Lol

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    @brambos

    Thinking about the DAWless approach, I’ve come across a need that you may be able to help with (either suggestion of how or a product that does it).

    I use my iPad stand alone often (only connected to headphones or monitor speakers). Often there is only room or ability to have one single keyboard on screen at a time, but I may be wanting to change the key of several different arps or sequences, but can’t use the keyboard as I’m playing a lead on it.

    I could really do with a very simple AU midi note sender that lets me enter a key to send, then does a set amount of time before the next note send and so on. Or even one that sends chords as well. It needs to have hold and stop too. It just needs to be really simple so I can program a few key changes almost on the fly.

    What do you think? Am I missing something already or is this a possible new AUMidi Gadget?

    To add to this, could do with a little AUMidi keyboard too - having a seperate onscreen keyboard would be so helpful at times!

    I’ve said before and I still mean it - I would pay a non-trivial sum for the Animoog ribbon keyboard as an AUv3 MIDI controller.

  • edited June 2018

    @hlprmnky said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    @brambos

    Thinking about the DAWless approach, I’ve come across a need that you may be able to help with (either suggestion of how or a product that does it).

    I use my iPad stand alone often (only connected to headphones or monitor speakers). Often there is only room or ability to have one single keyboard on screen at a time, but I may be wanting to change the key of several different arps or sequences, but can’t use the keyboard as I’m playing a lead on it.

    I could really do with a very simple AU midi note sender that lets me enter a key to send, then does a set amount of time before the next note send and so on. Or even one that sends chords as well. It needs to have hold and stop too. It just needs to be really simple so I can program a few key changes almost on the fly.

    What do you think? Am I missing something already or is this a possible new AUMidi Gadget?

    To add to this, could do with a little AUMidi keyboard too - having a seperate onscreen keyboard would be so helpful at times!

    I’ve said before and I still mean it - I would pay a non-trivial sum for the Animoog ribbon keyboard as an AUv3 MIDI controller.

    Someone will surely do one similar at some point. AU Midi controllers definitely are a development potential just waiting to be tapped.

  • What about an analogue joystick?

  • @brambos said:
    Indeed, it’s not the only viable workflow on iOS. 100% fair point (and perhaps not emphasized enough inthe essay). However, it’s the one that has a definite iOS signature to it - as it’s evolving right here, and uniquely so :)

    @brambos great article and congrats for having it on Medium. That site is a great place to just go poke around & learn stuff; it’s almost like Wikipedia in that regard, you can go down a rabbit hole of different topics but of course Medium has a narrative aproach with great writing, not just encyclopedic entries.

    I agree with you about the process that iOS can inspire one towards, but as @Dawdles said sometimes a vocal-less electronic music jam is more fun for the performer than the listener. I hear a lot of club, DJ, EDM, etc music and it can get redundant & indulgent.

    I feel what you’re describing is best applied to a “jam” being put together by the musician/producer and then the best bits or motifs are developed into more of a meaty composition; very much like U2 and other bands write. Of course, that’s just my view.

    I love the fact that we can use iOS apps & plugins in a modular Frankenstein music machine but I also love that you can still work in a more “traditional” DAW/timeline/tape machine format as well. I prefer to work in a linear fashion with song structure so for me a DAW like the ProTools-ish Auria Pro is better than the Ableton like scenes workflow of BeatMaker 3.

    I will say this however, in the three years I’ve been using iOS as my main music production format I’ve spent more time than ever tinkering with sounds, building up multisampled drumkits, setting up the various guitar amp & effect emulators with custom setups and of course, as most of us do here, amassing an incredible amount of synths, Drum Machines & plugins.

    I do subscribe to the “paralysis by analysis” & too many options can be dangerous axioms but there’s so much quality stuff on iOS that’s not only top quality but extremely affordable it’s VERY difficult NOT to experiment.

  • @CracklePot said:

    @hlprmnky said:
    I thought the article was a great read, and while there are real difference between the two areas of endeavor, it brought to my mind my own research into making my iPad into a workable environment for doing software development. In a desktop/laptop setting, the de facto “right way” to handle a software project of any complexity is in some kind of IDE (integrated development environment) - some languages and project types literally have one piece of software that is like “a DAW” and that is called an IDE, while others might have a really full-featured, special purpose editor for source code and then one or maybe two other tools that work closely with that editor; these are essentially an IDE but aren’t called that explicitly. What I’ve found looking into doing “real work” in software on my iPad is that here, too, that paradigm tends to break down into something much more “modular” and federated, but which works because you can focus on one task at a time much more effectively in a UI that is designed with the strengths and constraints of iOS in mind.

    Whether it develops that most users end up needing a timeline to do their best, or fiddliest, or as one poster earlier in the thread put it (and I shall now paraphrase terribly) “work after the composition is done” work, I think that we will eventually see that trying to lift and shift the desktop workflow onto these weird, magical little slabs of computronium we all carry around now was a quaint, if effective, first draft of whatever the eventual folkways of music creation on touch devices end up becoming.

    That was an awesome read. B)

    Indeed, very well said!

  • @JRSIV said:

    @brambos said:
    Indeed, it’s not the only viable workflow on iOS. 100% fair point (and perhaps not emphasized enough inthe essay). However, it’s the one that has a definite iOS signature to it - as it’s evolving right here, and uniquely so :)

    @brambos great article and congrats for having it on Medium. …

    It’s rare that something on Medium is so well-done.

  • @u0421793 said:
    It’s rare that something on Medium is so well-done.

    Oh, no...you didn't! :D

  • @u0421793 said:
    It’s rare that something on Medium is so well-done.

    That's a meaty observation.

  • What I find interesting is that with all the technological developments over the many years I have been doing this, it is still MIDI that makes it all possible, only recently was MIDI updated to include CI and MPE, just shows what a great job those original pioneers did when defining the original MIDI Specification.

  • @AndyPlankton said:
    What I find interesting is that with all the technological developments over the many years I have been doing this, it is still MIDI that makes it all possible, only recently was MIDI updated to include CI and MPE, just shows what a great job those original pioneers did when defining the original MIDI Specification.

    Wait until Apple remove it :D

  • @Cib said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    What I find interesting is that with all the technological developments over the many years I have been doing this, it is still MIDI that makes it all possible, only recently was MIDI updated to include CI and MPE, just shows what a great job those original pioneers did when defining the original MIDI Specification.

    Wait until Apple remove it :D

    Why? Because they can! Lol

  • @Cib said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    What I find interesting is that with all the technological developments over the many years I have been doing this, it is still MIDI that makes it all possible, only recently was MIDI updated to include CI and MPE, just shows what a great job those original pioneers did when defining the original MIDI Specification.

    Wait until Apple remove it :dizzy::

    ...and make you buy a $45 dongle if you want to ever use it again.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Cib said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    What I find interesting is that with all the technological developments over the many years I have been doing this, it is still MIDI that makes it all possible, only recently was MIDI updated to include CI and MPE, just shows what a great job those original pioneers did when defining the original MIDI Specification.

    Wait until Apple remove it :dizzy::

    ...and make you buy a $45 dongle if you want to ever use it again.

    "Dongle. Dongle. Dongle. Dongle....." - JH :D

  • @brambos said:

    @DMan said:
    I just cringe when I hear DAWless on my iPad. It’s kind of like going vegan with cheese on top to me.

    I'm open to a better description. "Plugin host without a conventional timeline, pianorolls or clip launchers" just doesn't roll off the tongue very smoothly. And I still stand by the observation that what I'm describing is the virtual equivalent of a DAWless hardware setup ;)

    In fact, I'm from the era when DAW referred to the entire computer (which was equipped special harddrives, sound cards, midi interfaces, clock generators, and software etc.), so in my books everybody is using the word DAW completely wrong anyway. :D

    I prefer "Modular music-making" as the way to describe iOS music making. A multitrack recorder that allows one to patch together musical parts is an essential for putting everything together (whether on a desktop or on an iOS device, unless the music is played and recorded live. Aside from that, everything else can be used to compose with phrases and loops that are created with the numerous apps that are available.

    This is essentially how I work: I create loops and phrases, and stitch them together in a Multitrack recorder. Each instrument or component is a module, that when put together makes a good whole. Just like you stated in your article! :smile:

    Not DAWless, "Modular". :smile:

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