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Cubasis vs. Beatmaker 3

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  • @RajahP Wut? How come it don’t work?

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  • @tja said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @theinvisibleman said:

    @CracklePot said:
    More like MadMaker3 for me. That shit is frustrating to figure out! Always making me mad! :D

    OMG if beatmaker 3 makes even Cracklepot mad then I’m steering way clear of it just like I would beastmaster

    :D

    I would never want to steer anyone away from BM3!
    I just wish I could get it, like I know many other people around here do.
    It is a work of beauty, created by an awesome, hard working developer.
    I want to be able to be fully supportive of this great app, but I can’t really if I don’t get how to tap into its power.
    Seriously, I want in to the BM3 club. B)

    Like me :p

    After I finally learned how to play a MIDI file with an AU in BM3 - which only took about one complete year - I will finally spend some more time with it.

    It's full of arcane logic and unexpected things.

    We are lost, my brother. :D

  • @CracklePot said:
    @RajahP Wut? How come it don’t work?

    To much time spent trying to sync it and it never worked... I just want to create music... It take too much to try these hook ups.. and it saps your creative ability.. Shoot, Cubasis could just implement the darn thing (Ableton Link).... what happen, are they too cute to use another company’s innovation?

  • @RajahP said:

    @CracklePot said:
    @RajahP Wut? How come it don’t work?

    To much time spent trying to sync it and it never worked... I just want to create music... It take too much to try these hook ups.. and it saps your creative ability.. Shoot, Cubasis could just implement the darn thing (Ableton Link).... what happen, are they too cute to use another company’s innovation?

    It is pretty easy to get it going. Maybe it is too loose for you? It is a little drifty, but it is fine for most of the things I am working on.

  • My head just exploded

    @CracklePot said:
    @Antkn33 Just saw your question, so TAG! (you’re it). :)

    @Antos3345 said:

    @CracklePot said:
    If you are that deep into Cubasis already, try pairing it with AUM to gain busses, great midi routing, and multiple AU windows open together. Plus get around the FX limit per track, and reorder FX.

    ApeMatrix may be another good supplemental app, but I haven’t put in the time on that one yet to tell.

    may have to try that as well..
    I just wish Cubasis had better audio inout routing ..seems very limited.

    I use Audiobus 3 and AUM to do the audio routing. Sometimes host in those instead, sending Audio to Cubasis. Cubasis can send to Audiobus, which can send audio to AUM, which can send Audio back into Cubasis on a different track. AUM can send to Audiobus, which can send to Cubasis. The only weak link is sending Cubasis to AUM, because you only get the stereo master out to send to AUM, so you have to get into solo/mute strategies.

    @RajahP said:
    Can it sync to AUM?

    No, but AUM and the rest of the Link apps can sync to Cubasis via MidiLinkSync. To get the transport controls to all work together, you load AUM and Cubasis into Audiobus, then use Audiobus as the master transport via a combo of Link and IAA.

    Any BM3 gurus got any tips for me? I can’t get my head around that app, but I want to. The workflow is just alien to me. BeatHawk too, in a similar way. I never used Abelton, could that have something to do with it?

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    @CracklePot said:
    @Antkn33 Just saw your question, so TAG! (you’re it). :)

    @Antos3345 said:

    @CracklePot said:
    If you are that deep into Cubasis already, try pairing it with AUM to gain busses, great midi routing, and multiple AU windows open together. Plus get around the FX limit per track, and reorder FX.

    ApeMatrix may be another good supplemental app, but I haven’t put in the time on that one yet to tell.

    may have to try that as well..
    I just wish Cubasis had better audio inout routing ..seems very limited.

    I use Audiobus 3 and AUM to do the audio routing. Sometimes host in those instead, sending Audio to Cubasis. Cubasis can send to Audiobus, which can send audio to AUM, which can send Audio back into Cubasis on a different track. AUM can send to Audiobus, which can send to Cubasis. The only weak link is sending Cubasis to AUM, because you only get the stereo master out to send to AUM, so you have to get into solo/mute strategies.

    @RajahP said:
    Can it sync to AUM?

    No, but AUM and the rest of the Link apps can sync to Cubasis via MidiLinkSync. To get the transport controls to all work together, you load AUM and Cubasis into Audiobus, then use Audiobus as the master transport via a combo of Link and IAA.

    Any BM3 gurus got any tips for me? I can’t get my head around that app, but I want to. The workflow is just alien to me. BeatHawk too, in a similar way. I never used Abelton, could that have something to do with it?

    I find BM3 is so hard to give advice for without evangelizing a specific workflow and much like music in general it is really about finding your own way with it. I had to invest time into learning the app while not even trying to make music or be creative. Some apps, like Gadget, I could jump into and play and wheeee have fun right away. BM3, while exciting initially, took a while to be a creative tool that I felt really empowered with. A couple initial hours were spent just navigating and figuring out the UI, what is where and why. Beyond that just building your muscle memory takes even more time. It is a powerful tool that needs learning and practice. About the only universal ‘hidden button’ advice I could give to anyone is learn to tap this...

    Some of us discovered it far too late!

    I was not an Ableton guy and just came from classic timeline daws so I stick mostly to Song and Pattern, rarely ever using Scenes (in fact just about never). But in that above screenshot when you select a pattern it loops the selected pattern and lets you record pattern based automation to it while playing along with the rest of timeline which is handy.

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  • I don’t have time to dive into it now. Tomorrow I will thanks.

    @tja said:

    @Antkn33 said:
    Wow ok. Yes, I have audioBus 3. I use Tardigrain, Model 15, Model D, Troublemaker. That's probably enough!

    I made a simple one:

    Audiobus preset 'Diligent Possibility': http://preset.audiob.us/J0fnGltpwzIP9bD

    Just Cubasis in MIDI In and Audio Out, you could host some IAA or AU in Cubasis.
    Then, I added Tardigrain as AU in AudioBus and pointed both Audio lanes to AUM.
    You could host more IAA Apps In AudioBus, for the state saving.

    And in AUM I just added Troublemaker and pointed Cubasis and Tardigrain to their own mix is, that handles them as one unit.
    I tend to load AU in AUM, not AudioBus.

    I did not bother with the MIDI routing In AUM.

    Does this help?

  • I'm with you on BM3 re: stability issues.. It would be an ideal workspace for me if it worked. I haven't even bothered to invest the time to learn how to properly wield it, as the few times I've messed with it, it inevitably crashes -- and that's without even pushing it hard or necessarily using AU instruments or effects.
    If they can work out the bugs and make it a stable environment, I'd be a huge fan. Until then, it's not worth the frustration to me.

  • @Antos3345 said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @RajahP said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    I have been an avid Cubasis user since I began getting into IOS music making. I like many things about it, but must say it seems much more stable than Beatmaster 3. I like the routing possibilities in BM3, but seems it just crashes a bit often (mainly with Synthmaster 3). Also Cubasis has midi out, whereas BM3 doesn't ..Also I find the sound and headroom seems better in Cubasis for some reason, but maybe it's just me.. Also, the support for midi audio units in Cubasis works like a charm. Beatmaster 3 though utilises the layout space better for AU plugin windows..I wish in Cubasis one could hide away the wasted space of the keyboard and get more screen space of the AU.

    We are awaiting the BM3 update (I think it's 3.1) which promises many things. Besides, BM3 has Ableton Link, which is crucial for iPad music Production... The other boys don't..

    Doesn't BM3 have Midi out?

    Of course, Beatmaker 3 has Midi Out!

    where's the midi out??

    Hmmm. I really don’t understand the question...?

    If you gotten an Midi-track with at least one loaded sample, you can select Midi Out to another app or hardware...
    Don’t forget to mute the actual sample in the mixer...

  • @tja said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @RajahP said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    I have been an avid Cubasis user since I began getting into IOS music making. I like many things about it, but must say it seems much more stable than Beatmaster 3. I like the routing possibilities in BM3, but seems it just crashes a bit often (mainly with Synthmaster 3). Also Cubasis has midi out, whereas BM3 doesn't ..Also I find the sound and headroom seems better in Cubasis for some reason, but maybe it's just me.. Also, the support for midi audio units in Cubasis works like a charm. Beatmaster 3 though utilises the layout space better for AU plugin windows..I wish in Cubasis one could hide away the wasted space of the keyboard and get more screen space of the AU.

    We are awaiting the BM3 update (I think it's 3.1) which promises many things. Besides, BM3 has Ableton Link, which is crucial for iPad music Production... The other boys don't..

    Doesn't BM3 have Midi out?

    Of course, Beatmaker 3 has Midi Out!

    where's the midi out??

    Never saw that :o

    See my last reply...

  • @AnimalHeadSpirit said:
    I'm with you on BM3 re: stability issues.. It would be an ideal workspace for me if it worked. I haven't even bothered to invest the time to learn how to properly wield it, as the few times I've messed with it, it inevitably crashes -- and that's without even pushing it hard or necessarily using AU instruments or effects.
    If they can work out the bugs and make it a stable environment, I'd be a huge fan. Until then, it's not worth the frustration to me.

    It had a super rocky start. The last update went a long way for overall stability. There are still niggles in the woodwork for me, particularly with AU automation but the word is the next update is a good one. May be worth it for you then.

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    I meant no external midi clock out.. sending midi clock to other sequenced.based apps for external gear to sync.

    Of course it has internal midi out.

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    Gah! Just when I think I should ditch BM3 and simply focus on BeatHawk this thread comes along. Honestly, I don't know what to do ... give up, or give in and resign myself that I'll need to do really hard work in my Beatmaker journey. I really just want to make my stupid little tunes and song fragments, but I always end up placing these mountains in my way.

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  • Now, it, along with Lumafusion is the cornerstone of my creative studio.
    And how long would you say it took you to get "comfortable" with it? So the pain was worth it to you. Hmmm.... you've got me thinking some more Max.

  • I would like to hear more from the people who say they made a switch to BM3 from other DAWs. I started my IOS journey on BM3, struggled with it for several months then took the plunge for Cubasis and it clicked almost instantly. I feel like I understand the app deeply after only a few weeks of messing around on it. BM3 has so many barriers to my type of workflow... I don't understand how you can get a fluid workflow out of it. Even Electronisounds Audio videos seem like massive undertakings everytime he tries to get anything done.

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    Admittedly the depth itself of BM3 is what makes me come back to it. The problem is having to remember how I did actions before and it’s the number one reason I hesitate to start new projects on it. Not BM3’s fault cause one could say memory comes with repetition but sometimes I just wanna hit record and play. This is where Cubasis shines. Arm track play record. But again the depth of BM3 intrigues me and makes me come back every time.

  • Outside of stability, the single biggest problem with BM3 for me is lack of freeze tracks. I have been into iOS production for about 3 months. I feel comfortable with BM3s workflow, even though there are some UI challenges. But as I got more cool Apps and synths, I started maxing cpu constantly. If cubasis goes on sale, I may switch, just for freeze tracks.

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  • @mAxjUlien said:
    Cubasis and Gadget are certainly “easier” to get things going for most. It was true for me as well and I was satisfied for years. BM3 was just calling me and it looks hella cool when you’re making magic. If ever in a studio or public making beats, people react. That’s inspiring to me.

    Took me maybe a week and half to get something dope out of it once I was really committed. Another month till I completed a song. Started using my usual midi controllers until I realized it’s brilliant with just fingers/Apple Pencil.

    Watch videos...tons of great ones. It’s actually not difficult. Just looks complicated. Once u learn the UI it’s very simple to get going. It’s very deep, don’t let that intimidate you. I don’t use 60% of the features yet. Discover em on accident. Although the manual is very thorough and onboard.

    The others are all perfectly capable and amazing apps in their own right too. Like they say, if it’s not broken or you’re not missing anything..: I suggest keep rockin with what works until it doesn’t.

    How much would you say you use the Apple Pencil with bm3 And how do use it. When I tried before not much of bm3 seemed to respond to it. Ended up being easier to use fingers than pencil.

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  • How is BM3 workflow compared to BM2? I just can’t use BM2, tapping everywhere kills my brain. iPhone user here so still wait for BM3 to becomes universal.

  • @Janosax said:
    How is BM3 workflow compared to BM2? I just can’t use BM2, tapping everywhere kills my brain. iPhone user here so still wait for BM3 to becomes universal.

    People familiar with Ableton Live and Native Instruments Maschine love BM3’s new workflow. There’s still lots of tapping everywhere because BM3 is the most feature rich DAW on iOS. There’s not just one possible workflow, there are many. Perhaps you’ll want to stick with something with limited possibilities and singlular workflow like Cubasis or Gadget. BM3 is quite complex and requires time to become proficient.

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