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Any AU distortions that emulate or sound similar to ProCo Rat pedal?

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  • @Tim6502 said:

    @SNystrom said:

    They do have a red fuzz AUv3 plugin, which one would surmise was inspired by the red Germanium-based FuzzFace pedal.

    I dunno, the description of the pedal says it is tube based, and the Fuzz Face had no tubes — just a germanium transistor. Perhaps Nembrini can clear that up.

    It's one of the few Nembrini apps I don't own, so I can't speak to it's lineage.

    Can anyone owning it elaborate???

  • @SNystrom said:

    @Tim6502 said:

    @SNystrom said:

    They do have a red fuzz AUv3 plugin, which one would surmise was inspired by the red Germanium-based FuzzFace pedal.

    I dunno, the description of the pedal says it is tube based, and the Fuzz Face had no tubes — just a germanium transistor. Perhaps Nembrini can clear that up.

    The other Audio Rack apps have an 'Analog' switch to turn on the tube preamp. This one does not. I surmise they figured -just as you did- that this was not in line with the effect (which already has plenty of fuzz as-is).
    This may have been a copy-paste oversight in the Apple store description. This plugin is definitely more in-your-face than the red Fuzz Maze from Tonestack.

  • It would take about two minutes to try out the Rodent 2 distortion in miRack. I can't comment on how accurate it is since I don't know what a HW rat sounds like. miRack is excellent CPU wise, so there's no need to worry about it being overkill.

  • @wim I Love the Rodent in miRack.

  • Yeh, I just rocked out on it a bunch. Sounds great to me, and there are a lot of sound sculpting options. That’s my hard distortion from now on for sure.

  • Awesome that we can use a modular synthesizer to replicate a couple of diodes.

  • McDMcD
    edited August 2020

    Moore’s GE Labs Amp Sim app (216 MB install) has a BLACKRAT FX Pedal. Runs as an AUv3 FX in a DAW or standalone. No cost to install and try.

    The MiRack Rodent V2 has fewer knobs and the BLACKRAT gets a lot nastier if you need that. MiRack is a 275MB install and the Rodent V2 is in the NSYSTHI folder. Compare assuming you have MiRack... is it free? I forget.

    A bit of a learning curve with either but lots of help if you ask nicely.

  • edited August 2020

    @qryss said:
    Awesome that we can use a modular synthesizer to replicate a couple of diodes.

    Yes! Actually it's a bit more than that - including modeling the dynamic OpAmp saturation behavior and the additional filtering inside the RAT.

  • Here it is:
    https://patchstorage.com/the-rat-distortion/

    If you happen to own Drambo and the hardware RAT then please give me some feedback, I don't have one to compare.

  • @SNystrom, @Tim6502, @wim, @sippy_cup, @qryss, @McD
    I'd love to get some feedback from you guys 😊

  • edited August 2020

    You can get a pedal RAT clone for about £20 ;-)

    Plugins are invaluable but sometimes it’s nice to get out of the box.

    Not always practical but a lot of fun.

    My favourite fx at the moment is the delay on my little toy Korg monotron. It’s as noisy as hell but so much fun.

  • @McD said:
    Moore’s GE Labs Amp Sim app (216 MB install) has a BLACKRAT FX Pedal. Runs as an AUv3 FX in a DAW or standalone. No cost to install and try.

    I just tried that out with AUM but not shown in the AUv3 section unfortunately. Are you sure it's got AUv3 support?

  • edited August 2020

    @SNystrom said:

    @Tim6502 said:

    @SNystrom said:

    They do have a red fuzz AUv3 plugin, which one would surmise was inspired by the red Germanium-based FuzzFace pedal.

    I dunno, the description of the pedal says it is tube based, and the Fuzz Face had no tubes — just a germanium transistor. Perhaps Nembrini can clear that up.

    It's one of the few Nembrini apps I don't own, so I can't speak to it's lineage.

    Can anyone owning it elaborate???

    Well I didn't get too much into the detail. Just saw a generic looking fuzz pedal that is red so I assumed it must be fuzz face. But even if not it surely will be more in the high gain fuzz ballpark. Tube screamer being more in the lower gain overdrive ballpark so RAT would be the perfect in-between option for everyone that fancies a creamy low to high gain distortion. It just has a flavor that other distortion pedals don't have. Cuts through perfectly without being muddy or harsh. It sounds louder than other pedals because it's energy is concentrated in the higher freq spectrum. But it's not harsh! Ok enough praise. It's definitely well worth giving it a try!

    On desktop (other than the Logic one) I can recommend the free TSE Audio emulation: https://www.tseaudio.com/software/tseR47
    Even emailed them if they would port over some of their stuff to iOS but never got an answer.

  • @rs2000 said:
    @SNystrom, @Tim6502, @wim, @sippy_cup, @qryss, @McD
    I'd love to get some feedback from you guys 😊

    I am iOS only. A comparison of rats processing a guitar audio loop is attached:

    • Tonestack IAA,
    • dry,
    • GELabs IAA (free),
    • Drambo patch,
    • Tonebridge AUv3 (free), and
    • miRack Rodent V2

    For me Drambo was too polite and did not really go far. The Rodent v2 needed more care - turned all crackly and metallic on me.

  • Great @Tim6502, that's exactly what I was hoping for.
    Have you tried to increase the input gain? Would it need higher input sensitivity?

  • @Tim6502 and everybody interested:
    I've just uploaded version 0.6 with higher input gain.
    From the audio demo I've heard that the input gain was too low.
    https://patchstorage.com/the-rat-distortion/

  • @rs2000 I no longer own a RAT, but I've spent a lot of time playing with one, and I think your Drambo patch definitely captures the spirit of the pedal, far better than the alternatives. (Although we haven't heard Overloud yet.)

    But I would say, that if you can have it produce even more distortion......go as extreme as you possibly can. At max settings, a real RAT is so distorted, that playing any chord just creates the same indistinguishable wall of noise. Thrash metal guitarists will sometimes set it just below that. But the Drambo preset is definitely raspy enough for funk metal, which is what I needed. With the Drambo preset cranked up to 10, it sounds like a RAT at 1/3 of its max settings, which is the limit of what most guitarists would consider its range of "usable tone".

    So, this is a healthy rat. On a scale from "Lab" to "Sewer" I would give the Drambo RAT a rating of "Festival Porta Pottie".

    I think the Rodent V2 might be broken, but I don't have the ability to run VCV Rack in order to check, and I couldn't find any videos of the Rodent V2.

  • @Skyblazer said:
    I think the Rodent V2 might be broken, but I don't have the ability to run VCV Rack in order to check, and I couldn't find any videos of the Rodent V2.

    Not broken. Works great. There are four LEDs for different flavors. When I first tried it, all LEDs were engaged. I got a much better results when I disengaged them, then tried individual ones for different flavors.

  • @Tim6502 said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @SNystrom, @Tim6502, @wim, @sippy_cup, @qryss, @McD
    I'd love to get some feedback from you guys 😊

    I am iOS only. A comparison of rats processing a guitar audio loop is attached:

    • Tonestack IAA,
    • dry,
    • GELabs IAA (free),
    • Drambo patch,
    • Tonebridge AUv3 (free), and
    • miRack Rodent V2

    For me Drambo was too polite and did not really go far. The Rodent v2 needed more care - turned all crackly and metallic on me.

    Which LEDs were engaged on the Rodent v2? I found I got widely different tones depending on which were selected. I did not like the results with the default "All Engaged". I turned them all off, then one at a time, and found some great tones.

    Again ... without any reference to a real HW Rat to go on. So not as a comparison, just as something I can use for great hard distortion.

  • wimwim
    edited August 2020

    @rs2000 - I look forward to trying out the Drambo patch this evening. I won't be able to give comparison to the real thing tho.

    Meanwhile, please get busy making me a tube screamer. I don't care for the Nembrini one at all. The Zero Debug one is better but still not up to scratch. I would like it done by this evening so I only need to load Drambo up once. Thanks.

  • McDMcD
    edited August 2020

    Oops. From reading above it appears GE Labs is an IAA App.

  • @rs2000 said:
    @SNystrom, @Tim6502, @wim, @sippy_cup, @qryss, @McD
    I'd love to get some feedback from you guys 😊

    I love it. Nice work.

  • Someone needs to put up the $5 and put TH-U in the running. Preferably someone that knows the Rat like a childhood pet. I've got fiddy-cents tats says it's the best emulation based upon their amp models.

    I'd spend the $5 but I'm saving up for some seriously expensive StaffPad IAPs that reportedly could have download issues. StaffPad is working on it I've read. I let that fear of download hold me back and build budget for the really expensive Choir that can sing Latin and get "The Omen" Carmina Burana vibe.

    The world awaits my latin choir epic but there's no audience for Rat guitar excess (from me).

  • Sadly, as a poor white boy, I could never afford a Rat distortion pedal.

    The closest I got was this:

    Have to admit it was pretty awesome, though... 🤗

    So I'm afraid I can't really judge the true authenticity of any of the Rat/Cat/Bat???
    ProCo simulators.

    I did enjoy the sonic qualities of the test samples from GE Labs and Tonebridge. They sounded appropriately "Rattish" to me. I'm guessing the Overloud TH-U would most likely have a rodent in the fight if properly uncaged.

  • If we can keep this thread alive for a while @flo26 might weigh in an compare the TH-U CAT to the GE Labs BLACKRAT and settle the question once and for all. He has TH-U FULL access.

    It's worth mentioning that most of the metal focused apps can also RAT like a 1st class Rodent.

  • Thanks @Skyblazer! That helps a lot!

    But I would say, that if you can have it produce even more distortion......go as extreme as you possibly can. At max settings, a real RAT is so distorted, that playing any chord just creates the same indistinguishable wall of noise. Thrash metal guitarists will sometimes set it just below that.

    😂
    OK, I'll see what I can do. Good hint. I know a thrash metal guitarist nearby, maybe he's got a RAT in his cave?

  • @wim said:
    @rs2000 - I look forward to trying out the Drambo patch this evening. I won't be able to give comparison to the real thing tho.

    Meanwhile, please get busy making me a tube screamer. I don't care for the Nembrini one at all. The Zero Debug one is better but still not up to scratch. I would like it done by this evening so I only need to load Drambo up once. Thanks.

    Send me the pedal and I'll make you one. No worries, I'll send it back when I'm done.
    I've seen 11 different versions of that Ibanez pedal and the circuit relies so much on the specific OpAmp behavior that I would need one in my hands to do it properly.

  • wimwim
    edited August 2020

    @rs2000 said:

    @wim said:
    @rs2000 - I look forward to trying out the Drambo patch this evening. I won't be able to give comparison to the real thing tho.

    Meanwhile, please get busy making me a tube screamer. I don't care for the Nembrini one at all. The Zero Debug one is better but still not up to scratch. I would like it done by this evening so I only need to load Drambo up once. Thanks.

    Send me the pedal and I'll make you one. No worries, I'll send it back when I'm done.
    I've seen 11 different versions of that Ibanez pedal and the circuit relies so much on the specific OpAmp behavior that I would need one in my hands to do it properly.

    So ... you’re saying it’s not done yet??

  • @rs2000 said:

    @wim said:
    @rs2000 - I look forward to trying out the Drambo patch this evening. I won't be able to give comparison to the real thing tho.

    Meanwhile, please get busy making me a tube screamer. I don't care for the Nembrini one at all. The Zero Debug one is better but still not up to scratch. I would like it done by this evening so I only need to load Drambo up once. Thanks.

    Send me the pedal and I'll make you one. No worries, I'll send it back when I'm done.
    I've seen 11 different versions of that Ibanez pedal and the circuit relies so much on the specific OpAmp behavior that I would need one in my hands to do it properly.

    The "DC-9" app will give you a clue but we could play the compare TH-U, GE Labs, Amplitube,
    ToneStack, etc game and not get any work done. Try and model 2 of them back to back like SRV used to get that Texas Blues tone that reacts to string scratches and makes them a percussive instrument.

  • wimwim
    edited August 2020

    For the record - I was kidding. I wouldn’t expect that to be a successful endeavor, especially as @rs2000 says, there are a load of different models and clones of that pedal, all of which have different character.

    I am kinda disappointed in the Nembrini one tho. Sounds nothing like any tube screamer I ever heard. Probably I just never heard the one they modeled it after.

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