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Korg Gadget - user experiences (ios and desktop)
note I copied this from a thread on Gadget because it sort of veered away from the topic and I wanted it not to get lost. Hope that is not bad form here ...
Ok people, here's a question, and a loaded one:
Who uses Korg Gadget (ios or desktop) with great results? I guess what I'm going for with this question is this an instrument suite where you could stay in it's closed universe (this does not bother me at all - Reason fan) and obtain equally good if not better results than not staying in it's universe?
I'm really having a tough time deciding about whether to jump on the desktop version and to use it in concert with the ios version to finally focus and get *hit done. I dearly love all of my ios synths but find that the time has come to focus and learn. (I have been struggling with this aspect of my ios experience, and in the process bought Beathawk, Cubasis, BM3, Xequence and tons of synths).
I'm not looking for justification to purchase the desktop version, but looking for honest opinions. The teaser for me is Reason and Gadget - together. Linear, loop based, gobs of instruments - it's all there.
Would love to hear your opinions and your music. All styles welcome. I appreciate the attention!
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It’s a good thing - I’ve got the iOS version. But the heat and battery issues stop me from using it. If I wasn’t so paranoid about battery swell I’d use it.
I’m also interested in the desktop version, but can’t see any mention of Reason DAW support.
Would I buy it all again for iOS? Probably not as I’m not using it, but I’d keep the Korg standalones.
I’ve probably completed more in Gadget than any other platform over the last 2-3 years. I don’t really do EDM either but I do find it quick to put something together and flesh it out to some stage of completion, so yes, I do find it a very productive environment.
Productive = good.
Sound-wise? Does it compete (for lack of a better term) or rather, do the gadgets compete with other offerings on ios sound-wise? I have yet to record anything and listened outside of the environment of the ipad. I'm probably overthinking this.
I'm so paranoid of making a big mistake money-wise on yet another attempt to find my "thing". The thing that really works for me. I do like the universe of Korg - ALOT.
I love to use gadget (IOS only)!
The workflow is easy, fast and intuitive and there is not a high learning curve.
The instruments a quite good, if you tweak them you can get really nice sounds. I have also some iaps running like Lexington (ARP Odyssey), Montpellier (iMono/Poly), Milpitas (Korg Wavestation) and Darwin (Korg iM1) which expand the soundranges a lot. I’m quite happy with them.
If you don’t need more than 16 Bars in a loop and you can accept that you can not bring AU in Gadget it’s a lot of fun using gadget.
I had never a crash, everything works like a charm. I don’t have more battery issues with gadget as with some other apps that running in the background.
I like that I can get quick results using gadget. You can automate almost everything in an easy way. For recordings in other daws I need much more time.
Im happy with gadget but yes , I also use other daws like Cubasis or Auria where I can record all the other beautiful instruments I like.
I appreciate your comments. Just to clarify a bit:
I have Korg Gadget ios. I really like it but, like many, bought too much, ended up with too many options DAW-wise. Embarrassing actually.
Now i'm considering focusing more to play well with my mac desktop/macbook and use Gadget ios + Gadget desktop + Reason (vst's from Gadget).
I love the actual gadgets/modules. They’re fun, focused devices and they give a great sound. I only wish I could use them on my PC! As for what I actually get done with the software...I think I’ve yet to make a full song Gadget came out purely because I don’t like the sequencer. It’s still so fiddly to do things like selecting notes, there are no MIDI functions to speak of and I don’t get on with the scenes workflow. So my wish, asides from getting VST versions, is for the sequencer to get a serious overhaul. Preferably a timeline style editor like Cubasis, with lanes and parts. But I can’t see it happening.
As for the sounds quality, judge for yourself. This includes sounds from Module.
Gadget does Ableton Live Project export too. Every Gadget user can get a free, limited version of Live by going to the export menu inside Gadget and giving an email. I think the version you get is limited to 8 tracks.
Even if you don't have/use Ableton, the exported files might be useful as building blocks in Reason or wherever else.
I have Gadget for Mac (for the plug-ins) but Reason / SunVox / Ableton are all more attention-grabbing when I'm at the laptop.
Just use it plugged in then?
I use gadget a lot, (I'd use it exclusively over any other app if there weren't so many other interesting things available), but actually what holds gadget back is it's IOS 9 era file management. As projects and audio files pile on it becomes more tedious to render out bits and then go hunting for them without a search bar or a means to organise things by directory. The little scrolling windows with truncated names are also carpel tunnel inducing.
Lately however I've been straying away from production and focusing more on performance and Gadget is wonderful because you can quickly swap out instruments, add effects to taste, lay down song parts and navigate them easily (one major avantage over the linear timeline) and naturally you've got so many different presets to choose from. You don't need to use all of them, you'll find a small handful you will want to use over and over again.
Some apps have builtin audio recorders that can record the streaming performance audio. It's a shame Korg hasn't implemented that yet because all kinds of happy accidents can get lost all too easily if you don't set your self up recording sessions into AUM or Cubasis beforehand.
Also, every gadget in the collection can intuitively be custom mapped to your midi controller and it will remember your midi mappings. In other words set it and forget it. No other IOS apps have that.
If Korg fixed the battery drain, fixed the file management and tweaked the sequencer a little they would get a lot more positive feedback from this forum I think.
I don’t use Gadget for complete songs. In general the sounds seem quite lacklustre to me. I do like to tinker about with it including the automations and through effects whilst recording it all. Invariably something will turn up that I like- and can later make use of. So I am happy with the results from that perspective.
Thanks PhilW. Nice arrangement and sounds great.
"I have Gadget for Mac (for the plug-ins) but Reason / SunVox / Ableton are all more attention-grabbing when I'm at the laptop."
This is interesting. Thanks for chiming in tomato_juice.
After aimlessly fiddling around with several apps and daws for a year I started with Gadget half a year ago. It has broken the creative barrier for me with its usability and the all-in-one concept. Though I still see it as kind of a stepstone to more „serious“ music making, I‘m rather pleased with the results so far. Gadget is capable of a bigger variety of musical styles than I expected. If I may dare to shamelessly promote two examples (beware: these are not mastered. to listen to outside the iPad-earphones environment, i.e. on my car stereo, i usually master the tracks with Grand Finale, which is quite okay for quick results):
Also, the GadgetCloud community is very nice and encouraging.
It’s the battery heat that bothers me. My Air 2 gets ridiculously hot running Gadget, I don’t want to risk borking it.
It might be a hardware problem with the Air 2s than a software problem then because while the battery drain is a thing on any device no doubt, it does run cooler and much longer on newer devices.
Yeah, my Air 2 has seen better days. Waiting for a refresh of the Pro’s then I’ll probably upgrade it.
Reason is my main DAW, but I have used gadget in a few projects. Either running it via Link as virtual hardware (like using my volcas) or exporting stems which admittedly is super useful. I wasn’t necessarily shitting on gadget. I can very quickly make grooves I like. Just struggle to get further than that without some more advanced sequencer or arranger features. But yeah, stem export is great and I imagine so to is live project!
Leon ! Mr. K is fantastic! Just a blast and extremely well done. Listening to Aphrodites Stepchild and am getting a Vagelis vibe here. I really dig this. I think this is an excellent demonstration (not as it's intended I'm sure) of what Gadget can do. Wow man. You've really got some skills and have convinced me that I'm headed in the right direction.
I appreciate all the comments and input. Generous of you all!
kinkujin, thank you so much for your kind words. I highly recommend you to check out GadgetCloud to hear the great variety of styles and sounds that can be done with Gadget. Compared to that, the narrow spectrum of Korg‘s built-in demos seems almost embarrassing...
And post your own songs there!
Oh, and yes, the second track was actually made as a Vangelis tribute.
It does get hot on my Pro 9.7 and iPhone SE, which are still relatively new devices.
Lisbon is a good gadget to test it, 15 min/half hour of jamming and it’s very noticeable.
Which model do you use? Do you have it in a case or can you feel the iPad itself at the cpu side?
As for the topic question @kinkujinI I mostly use Gadget only (have all IAPs). Like you said, it helps me to get sh*t done > keeps me focused. I like how I can put an idea down real quick. Save it and come back a week/month/year later and everything is exactly the same, even on another iPad/iPhone (iCloud).
Gadget has created a seemless environment but all cannot be happy. Small changes need to expected but for the most part you can do 85% completion in gadget. Need more effects and more in depth Vancouver audio sampler. That would make me most happy. It’s definitely made for beat making. Thats my thought since you need a daw for adding vocals. The final 15% needs to be done in a daw.
Really impressive. Good work/good play.
Right here.
Lisbon and Lexington are definitely the most CPU intensive. I'm using a mini 4. Also, granted once you've got a full song in there with several tracks, it can begin to suffer on performance. However the problem with larger devices is the CPU has to work a lot harder on graphics rendering as well, so maybe because I'm using a Mini 4 I'm saving power on screen brightness and graphics rendering? The SE is not a very powerful phone unfortunately.
Lexington doesn’t have the extreme heat buildup like Lisbon. I suspect Lisbon’s background image plays a roll too. Korg acknowledged this in a reply to my report.
This is with just 1 track of Lisbon and playing live on it. Not many tracks playing simultaneously, I would expect that to be cpu heavy.
The iPhone SE (A9 - 1.85 GHz) is more powerful than your mini 4 (A8 - 1.5GHz).
Smaller screen (less graphic rendering) so in your theory it shouldn’t heat up as much. But Gadget behaves similar on it as on my Pro 9.7 (hotter and more battery consumption then any other app).
In fact, I’m experiencing the opposite: runs somewhat longer and cooler on my ancient iPad2.
Yep, the SE is actually pretty powerful - I was surprised to see it was faster than my Air 2.
Both great tracks, love the feel of the first and you have really captured the sounds and feel in the Vangelis track. You have a new follower.
+1
Does Gadget export stems and MIDI files?
I just wanted to say thanks to you all for your input and for the discussion and the songs. You all helped me out greatly. I took the plunge and bought Gadget for Mac, as well as the Stockholm for ipad. I'm very stoked.
I'll now try to refrain from commenting on every Korg thread here. hehe
-kinkujin