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I asked Korg about AUv3, the Korg app team respond...

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  • I wish the fx had some better graphics. Some feedback to what’s happening.

  • Gadget for IOS’s UI ought to mirror the Gadget for Mac. We need those kinks ironed out for once and for all. We need Files support and in app file management. We need the ability to loop multiple scenes. We need to render out selections of tracks (ie one or more clips, bonus points if we could render out clips as Rex) we also need better clip copy past and drag/drop for song arrangement. From Korgs vantage point they’ve marketed this as a DAW and they have quite a way to go before they can live up to that. Of course multiple audio out is useful as would be Audiobus’ midi In. Midi out or midi export would be appreciated as well. We could also use a latch button for the arpeggiator and a proper selection of chords.

    If Korg wanted to get into the AU business they could simply release an AU bundle or a bunch of AU individual instruments. Because I can’t see how they could just port the entire thing info’s “plugin” but fixing the many quirks might alleviate the frustration some users have.

  • Don’t see why the end of IAA would mean the end of Gadget.
    I think there are still plenty people (myself included) who do everything in Gadget.
    Forums like this have more advance iOS users, but Gadget’s overall audience is bigger. Some of them might have never heard of IAA or AU.

  • edited July 2018

    they could simply
    I think this is the point. If it were simple I think it would be done by now.

  • @LucidMusicInc said:
    Gadget for IOS’s UI ought to mirror the Gadget for Mac. We need those kinks ironed out for once and for all. We need Files support and in app file management. We need the ability to loop multiple scenes. We need to render out selections of tracks (ie one or more clips, bonus points if we could render out clips as Rex) we also need better clip copy past and drag/drop for song arrangement. From Korgs vantage point they’ve marketed this as a DAW and they have quite a way to go before they can live up to that. Of course multiple audio out is useful as would be Audiobus’ midi In. Midi out or midi export would be appreciated as well. We could also use a latch button for the arpeggiator and a proper selection of chords.

    If Korg wanted to get into the AU business they could simply release an AU bundle or a bunch of AU individual instruments. Because I can’t see how they could just port the entire thing info’s “plugin” but fixing the many quirks might alleviate the frustration some users have.

    Couldn’t agree more with all of this

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    If Apple drops IAA support probably Korg will abandon Gadget as is and start selling AUv3 gadgets without any reburfish or offer for old users. Any other scenario will be a miracle.

    Well, for several users it will be a good scenario.

  • edited July 2018

    Hahaha they gave you a fixed answer!

    Complex? Gadget on mac already has AU functionality for the gadgets themselves, what is highly complex about doing the same for a nearly exactly the same host?

    Answer...they dont want to, because if they do this gadget is dead and they will have to really make some badass gadgets to get us to buy them...instead of new guis on the same rompler! Half of the gadgets are lame, they are just romplers with new skins and 1 added feature with new sounds from old sources...about half the users of gadget HATE the sequencer all the way to hell (i am included). Its purely not useful to program half a lead on one pattern and the other on a new pattern. And dropping vocals is shit, who starts right on the one?

    Of course they didnt say no, because hope floats, and we all float down here! If they can float you on down the gadget river; they can still sell you shit. If you get out and head for shore you will be done with the korg ecosystem.

    About half of the gadgets we bought would have never been bought without the closed system in gadget...think about it! How else would you get shit in there? It is closed like a bad food chain!

    Another thing...how come none of the korg big synths (ie) the arp, the m1, wavestation, & etc didnt make it to auv3? They are available in gadget?! If you want to sequence these...gadget is you only pathway! Without gadget i assure you, those same synths would be auv3; but because there is a gadget, they probably will never get that feature. If you took the korg big boys away, nobody would give one shit about gadget! I bet you!

    Ok i’m done ranting hahaha

  • @Carnbot said:
    I probably should have made it clear at the beginning the AU feature request wasn't about Gadget. :)

    I agree there are lots of alternatives coming out but if/when Korg do do AU they will be very good because their UX is always very well done, maybe why they have avoided so far as they are still finding how to do it successfully.

    Would love to see iMonpoly/Wavestation/Oddyssei/iMS20 as AUv3

    I don't know. I guess it is personal but I'm not massively enamored in Korg UX. Yes, I do like how immediate Gadget's sequencer is but some individual gadgets aren't exactly work of genius. Helsinki, Kingston, Brussels are looks over substance, lexicon has close to impossible to use controls and don't get me started on Zurich. It feels like the only reason they've released it was to shut up all of us asking for an audio gadget.

    Now they keep releasing more or less complex duplicates of the same thing rather than giving us more touch screen friendly Samplr style playable stuff.

    Sorry for the ranty tone, I don't even use Gadget these days but you must have touched some sore spot ;)

  • @MrSmileZ said:
    Hahaha they gave you a fixed answer!

    Complex? Gadget on mac already has AU functionality for the gadgets themselves, what is highly complex about doing the same for a nearly exactly the same host?

    Answer...they dont want to, because if they do this gadget is dead and they will have to really make some badass gadgets to get us to buy them...instead of new guis on the same rompler! Half of the gadgets are lame, they are just romplers with new skins and 1 added feature with new sounds from old sources...about half the users of gadget HATE the sequencer all the way to hell (i am included). Its purely not useful to program half a lead on one pattern and the other on a new pattern. And dropping vocals is shit, who starts right on the one?

    Of course they didnt say no, because hope floats, and we all float down here! If they can float you on down the gadget river; they can still sell you shit. If you get out and head for shore you will be done with the korg ecosystem.

    About half of the gadgets we bought would have never been bought without the closed system in gadget...think about it! How else would you get shit in there? It is closed like a bad food chain!

    Another thing...how come none of the korg big synths (ie) the arp, the m1, wavestation, & etc didnt make it to auv3? They are available in gadget?! If you want to sequence these...gadget is you only pathway! Without gadget i assure you, those same synths would be auv3; but because there is a gadget, they probably will never get that feature. If you took the korg big boys away, nobody would give one shit about gadget! I bet you!

    Ok i’m done ranting hahaha

    Why is it that on the Audiobus forum people are always forgetting that Audiobus is in fact the best solution we ever had and will ever get?

  • I bought and own audiobus, i use it far far far less than auv3. Maybe you use it much more than me for your audio needs? I find it to be rather unproductive to switch between screens all the time honestly. Are you the audiobus forum police or something, is audiobus worship required to post here? If it is, i need to see more audiobus hailings in everyone elses posts.

  • @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I probably should have made it clear at the beginning the AU feature request wasn't about Gadget. :)

    I agree there are lots of alternatives coming out but if/when Korg do do AU they will be very good because their UX is always very well done, maybe why they have avoided so far as they are still finding how to do it successfully.

    Would love to see iMonpoly/Wavestation/Oddyssei/iMS20 as AUv3

    I don't know. I guess it is personal but I'm not massively enamored in Korg UX. Yes, I do like how immediate Gadget's sequencer is but some individual gadgets aren't exactly work of genius. Helsinki, Kingston, Brussels are looks over substance, lexicon has close to impossible to use controls and don't get me started on Zurich. It feels like the only reason they've released it was to shut up all of us asking for an audio gadget.

    Now they keep releasing more or less complex duplicates of the same thing rather than giving us more touch screen friendly Samplr style playable stuff.

    Sorry for the ranty tone, I don't even use Gadget these days but you must have touched some sore spot ;)

    Yeah I agree on Gadget, that's why I stopped using it, there are some bad choices in there. But the Standalone synths are mostly nicely done compared to most iOS synths in usability. But even if you don't like the UI design they definitely know how to make something playable.

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

  • edited July 2018

    @MrSmileZ said:
    I bought and own audiobus, i use it far far far less than auv3. Maybe you use it much more than me for your audio needs? I find it to be rather unproductive to switch between screens all the time honestly. Are you the audiobus forum police or something, is audiobus worship required to post here? If it is, i need to see more audiobus hailings in everyone elses posts.

    The simple answer to your convoluted question is these apps were ports of much older software and they were released when AU was underdeveloped and the AU demand was insignificant. AU is pretty new at least AUV3. Perhaps you’ve only been in the game a short time? It seems people like me who learned on the old systems Audiobus, midi routing, resampling can get the job done just as easily.

  • @Carnbot said:

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

    Mine would be iM1 & iWavestation Hybrid with a twist in that it can load user samples.
    They could call it iHD-1 derived from the Kronos :)

  • edited July 2018

    I asked two questions... you answered neither.
    I actually didn’t require you to answer them anyways, as your usage of audiobus and audiounits have no bearing whatsoever on my music production and your worship of audiobus is your freedom as well. I did not infringe on your belief system, and I wasnt aware that you, was indeed, the voice of Korg! Please dont get your superkorg tights up your ass too far, I mean you no harm. Now move on to trolling other users, little boater!> @LucidMusicInc said:

    @MrSmileZ said:
    I bought and own audiobus, i use it far far far less than auv3. Maybe you use it much more than me for your audio needs? I find it to be rather unproductive to switch between screens all the time honestly. Are you the audiobus forum police or something, is audiobus worship required to post here? If it is, i need to see more audiobus hailings in everyone elses posts.

    The simple answer to your convoluted question is these apps were ports of much older software and they were released when AU was underdeveloped and the AU demand was insignificant. AU is pretty new at least AUV3. Perhaps you’ve only been in the game a short time? It seems people like me who learned on the old systems Audiobus, midi routing, resampling can get the job done just as easily.

  • @Samu said:

    @Carnbot said:

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

    Mine would be iM1 & iWavestation Hybrid with a twist in that it can load user samples.
    They could call it iHD-1 derived from the Kronos :)

    I wouldn't complain with that either :)

  • @MrSmileZ said:
    I asked two questions... you answered neither.
    I actually didn’t require you to answer them anyways, as your usage of audiobus and audiounits have no bearing whatsoever on my music production and your worship of audiobus is your freedom as well. I did not infringe on your belief system, and I wasnt aware that you, was indeed, the voice of Korg! Please dont get your superkorg tights up your ass too far, I mean you no harm. Now move on to trolling other users, little boater!

    Did he just call me a “little boater?” :/

  • @OnfraySin said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    If Apple drops IAA support probably Korg will abandon Gadget as is and start selling AUv3 gadgets without any reburfish or offer for old users. Any other scenario will be a miracle.

    Well, for several users it will be a good scenario.

    I forgot to add “the best scenario some users can hope”

    Probably Korg will ditch Gadget without any replacement and just focus on minikeys... :trollface:

  • wimwim
    edited July 2018

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    Did he just call me a “little boater?” :/

  • @Carnbot said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I probably should have made it clear at the beginning the AU feature request wasn't about Gadget. :)

    I agree there are lots of alternatives coming out but if/when Korg do do AU they will be very good because their UX is always very well done, maybe why they have avoided so far as they are still finding how to do it successfully.

    Would love to see iMonpoly/Wavestation/Oddyssei/iMS20 as AUv3

    I don't know. I guess it is personal but I'm not massively enamored in Korg UX. Yes, I do like how immediate Gadget's sequencer is but some individual gadgets aren't exactly work of genius. Helsinki, Kingston, Brussels are looks over substance, lexicon has close to impossible to use controls and don't get me started on Zurich. It feels like the only reason they've released it was to shut up all of us asking for an audio gadget.

    Now they keep releasing more or less complex duplicates of the same thing rather than giving us more touch screen friendly Samplr style playable stuff.

    Sorry for the ranty tone, I don't even use Gadget these days but you must have touched some sore spot ;)

    Yeah I agree on Gadget, that's why I stopped using it, there are some bad choices in there. But the Standalone synths are mostly nicely done compared to most iOS synths in usability. But even if you don't like the UI design they definitely know how to make something playable.

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

    I reckon at some point we’ll see AU versions of all gadget synths that are already stand-alone like I wavestation and iodyssei. It would be good to see ikaossilator and ielectribe AUs too! Exciting times for sure.

  • @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I probably should have made it clear at the beginning the AU feature request wasn't about Gadget. :)

    I agree there are lots of alternatives coming out but if/when Korg do do AU they will be very good because their UX is always very well done, maybe why they have avoided so far as they are still finding how to do it successfully.

    Would love to see iMonpoly/Wavestation/Oddyssei/iMS20 as AUv3

    I don't know. I guess it is personal but I'm not massively enamored in Korg UX. Yes, I do like how immediate Gadget's sequencer is but some individual gadgets aren't exactly work of genius. Helsinki, Kingston, Brussels are looks over substance, lexicon has close to impossible to use controls and don't get me started on Zurich. It feels like the only reason they've released it was to shut up all of us asking for an audio gadget.

    Now they keep releasing more or less complex duplicates of the same thing rather than giving us more touch screen friendly Samplr style playable stuff.

    Sorry for the ranty tone, I don't even use Gadget these days but you must have touched some sore spot ;)

    Yeah I agree on Gadget, that's why I stopped using it, there are some bad choices in there. But the Standalone synths are mostly nicely done compared to most iOS synths in usability. But even if you don't like the UI design they definitely know how to make something playable.

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

    I reckon at some point we’ll see AU versions of all gadget synths that are already stand-alone like I wavestation and iodyssei. It would be good to see ikaossilator and ielectribe AUs too! Exciting times for sure.

    From the company that still hasn’t added Link to iPolySix? Or updated the Gadgets Guide since Madrid? You my friend are the definition of an optimist. ;) B)

  • @MrSmileZ said:
    is audiobus worship required to post here?

    No, but respect the architects.

  • hehe Little Boater ... he's so cute!

    I am investing alot in Gadget now. But, I've also learned not to invest exclusively again as I was burned by Cakewalk and Roland/Cakewalk hardware. So while I hope Korg keeps on with Gadget improvements, which I think they will, if they don't I'll not be lost. AU or not, I'll get along.

  • Uff. @MrSmileZ maybe u should switch to MrFrownZ

  • It also kinda bugs me that Gadget has no option to do quantise on a selection.
    The quantise button is there on the screen but tapping on it does nada on the selection :)
    (A dream would be to have GarageBand's non destructive quantise present in Gadget).

  • @wim said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I probably should have made it clear at the beginning the AU feature request wasn't about Gadget. :)

    I agree there are lots of alternatives coming out but if/when Korg do do AU they will be very good because their UX is always very well done, maybe why they have avoided so far as they are still finding how to do it successfully.

    Would love to see iMonpoly/Wavestation/Oddyssei/iMS20 as AUv3

    I don't know. I guess it is personal but I'm not massively enamored in Korg UX. Yes, I do like how immediate Gadget's sequencer is but some individual gadgets aren't exactly work of genius. Helsinki, Kingston, Brussels are looks over substance, lexicon has close to impossible to use controls and don't get me started on Zurich. It feels like the only reason they've released it was to shut up all of us asking for an audio gadget.

    Now they keep releasing more or less complex duplicates of the same thing rather than giving us more touch screen friendly Samplr style playable stuff.

    Sorry for the ranty tone, I don't even use Gadget these days but you must have touched some sore spot ;)

    Yeah I agree on Gadget, that's why I stopped using it, there are some bad choices in there. But the Standalone synths are mostly nicely done compared to most iOS synths in usability. But even if you don't like the UI design they definitely know how to make something playable.

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

    I reckon at some point we’ll see AU versions of all gadget synths that are already stand-alone like I wavestation and iodyssei. It would be good to see ikaossilator and ielectribe AUs too! Exciting times for sure.

    From the company that still hasn’t added Link to iPolySix? Or updated the Gadgets Guide since Madrid? You my friend are the definition of an optimist. ;) B)

    Haha, I am indeed. Especially since I don’t really care at all as I don’t use any of their stuff in a serious way. I wish it for others though, which I guess makes me an optruist. ;)

  • @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I probably should have made it clear at the beginning the AU feature request wasn't about Gadget. :)

    I agree there are lots of alternatives coming out but if/when Korg do do AU they will be very good because their UX is always very well done, maybe why they have avoided so far as they are still finding how to do it successfully.

    Would love to see iMonpoly/Wavestation/Oddyssei/iMS20 as AUv3

    I don't know. I guess it is personal but I'm not massively enamored in Korg UX. Yes, I do like how immediate Gadget's sequencer is but some individual gadgets aren't exactly work of genius. Helsinki, Kingston, Brussels are looks over substance, lexicon has close to impossible to use controls and don't get me started on Zurich. It feels like the only reason they've released it was to shut up all of us asking for an audio gadget.

    Now they keep releasing more or less complex duplicates of the same thing rather than giving us more touch screen friendly Samplr style playable stuff.

    Sorry for the ranty tone, I don't even use Gadget these days but you must have touched some sore spot ;)

    Yeah I agree on Gadget, that's why I stopped using it, there are some bad choices in there. But the Standalone synths are mostly nicely done compared to most iOS synths in usability. But even if you don't like the UI design they definitely know how to make something playable.

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

    I reckon at some point we’ll see AU versions of all gadget synths that are already stand-alone like I wavestation and iodyssei. It would be good to see ikaossilator and ielectribe AUs too! Exciting times for sure.

    @supadom - we don’t need iElectribe any longer, we are more than fine with Groove Rider GR16...

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I probably should have made it clear at the beginning the AU feature request wasn't about Gadget. :)

    I agree there are lots of alternatives coming out but if/when Korg do do AU they will be very good because their UX is always very well done, maybe why they have avoided so far as they are still finding how to do it successfully.

    Would love to see iMonpoly/Wavestation/Oddyssei/iMS20 as AUv3

    I don't know. I guess it is personal but I'm not massively enamored in Korg UX. Yes, I do like how immediate Gadget's sequencer is but some individual gadgets aren't exactly work of genius. Helsinki, Kingston, Brussels are looks over substance, lexicon has close to impossible to use controls and don't get me started on Zurich. It feels like the only reason they've released it was to shut up all of us asking for an audio gadget.

    Now they keep releasing more or less complex duplicates of the same thing rather than giving us more touch screen friendly Samplr style playable stuff.

    Sorry for the ranty tone, I don't even use Gadget these days but you must have touched some sore spot ;)

    Yeah I agree on Gadget, that's why I stopped using it, there are some bad choices in there. But the Standalone synths are mostly nicely done compared to most iOS synths in usability. But even if you don't like the UI design they definitely know how to make something playable.

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

    I reckon at some point we’ll see AU versions of all gadget synths that are already stand-alone like I wavestation and iodyssei. It would be good to see ikaossilator and ielectribe AUs too! Exciting times for sure.

    @supadom - we don’t need iElectribe any longer, we are more than fine with Groove Rider GR16...

    I’m so behind man. I’ll need to check it out!

    I’ve been using rhythmic properties of Turnado combined with Circuit for my drumming needs.

  • wimwim
    edited July 2018

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I probably should have made it clear at the beginning the AU feature request wasn't about Gadget. :)

    I agree there are lots of alternatives coming out but if/when Korg do do AU they will be very good because their UX is always very well done, maybe why they have avoided so far as they are still finding how to do it successfully.

    Would love to see iMonpoly/Wavestation/Oddyssei/iMS20 as AUv3

    I don't know. I guess it is personal but I'm not massively enamored in Korg UX. Yes, I do like how immediate Gadget's sequencer is but some individual gadgets aren't exactly work of genius. Helsinki, Kingston, Brussels are looks over substance, lexicon has close to impossible to use controls and don't get me started on Zurich. It feels like the only reason they've released it was to shut up all of us asking for an audio gadget.

    Now they keep releasing more or less complex duplicates of the same thing rather than giving us more touch screen friendly Samplr style playable stuff.

    Sorry for the ranty tone, I don't even use Gadget these days but you must have touched some sore spot ;)

    Yeah I agree on Gadget, that's why I stopped using it, there are some bad choices in there. But the Standalone synths are mostly nicely done compared to most iOS synths in usability. But even if you don't like the UI design they definitely know how to make something playable.

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

    I reckon at some point we’ll see AU versions of all gadget synths that are already stand-alone like I wavestation and iodyssei. It would be good to see ikaossilator and ielectribe AUs too! Exciting times for sure.

    @supadom - we don’t need iElectribe any longer, we are more than fine with Groove Rider GR16...

    You did not just say that! Good thing we’re not inna bar right now.

  • @wim said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I probably should have made it clear at the beginning the AU feature request wasn't about Gadget. :)

    I agree there are lots of alternatives coming out but if/when Korg do do AU they will be very good because their UX is always very well done, maybe why they have avoided so far as they are still finding how to do it successfully.

    Would love to see iMonpoly/Wavestation/Oddyssei/iMS20 as AUv3

    I don't know. I guess it is personal but I'm not massively enamored in Korg UX. Yes, I do like how immediate Gadget's sequencer is but some individual gadgets aren't exactly work of genius. Helsinki, Kingston, Brussels are looks over substance, lexicon has close to impossible to use controls and don't get me started on Zurich. It feels like the only reason they've released it was to shut up all of us asking for an audio gadget.

    Now they keep releasing more or less complex duplicates of the same thing rather than giving us more touch screen friendly Samplr style playable stuff.

    Sorry for the ranty tone, I don't even use Gadget these days but you must have touched some sore spot ;)

    Yeah I agree on Gadget, that's why I stopped using it, there are some bad choices in there. But the Standalone synths are mostly nicely done compared to most iOS synths in usability. But even if you don't like the UI design they definitely know how to make something playable.

    If they only made one AUv3 I'd settle for iMonopoly i think :)

    I reckon at some point we’ll see AU versions of all gadget synths that are already stand-alone like I wavestation and iodyssei. It would be good to see ikaossilator and ielectribe AUs too! Exciting times for sure.

    @supadom - we don’t need iElectribe any longer, we are more than fine with Groove Rider GR16...

    You did not just say that! Good thing we’re not inna bar right now.

    Just checked the AppStore demo. I think I know why I haven’t noticed it. I’m more of a seekbeats/elastic drums kind of guy. Knob automation!

    Not getting any drum boxes until Drambo comes out.

  • wimwim
    edited July 2018

    @supadom said:
    Just checked the AppStore demo. I think I know why I haven’t noticed it. I’m more of a seekbeats/elastic drums kind of guy. Knob automation!

    Not getting any drum boxes until Drambo comes out.

    GR16 is way more than a drum box, and it has knob automation up the wazoo. After iELECTRIBE, prolly one of the apps I’d be last to part with.

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