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The DAW-less experience
Latest FM has a feature about the recent revisit of making music without sequencing it, and I’m leaning towards that approach. What apps do you guys suggest to make it happen?
I’ve been playing with patterning, fugue and of course rozetta.
Anything I’m missing?
I have no shortage of great synths, but how do you go about multitrack recording?
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You use a DAW
I think both AUM and apeMatrix (and let's not forget the upcoming Audiobus 3 update) should give you different ways to experiment with going DAWless.
From a recording perspective, I think AUM is the most logical first choice. Although Audiobus 3 into something like Blocs Wave could also offer an interesting unconventional direction (not sure about the release schedule for AB3) to capture things as audio.
Lately I've been watching a lot of Rheyne performances on Youtube to get ideas for techniques.
lol, I'm not sure I understand the question.
Firstly, what is FM?
Secondly, those tools you mentioned, several of them are sequencers.
Thirdly, if you want to multitrack without using a DAW, then your option is a tape recorder, or some other hardware for that purpose. Any digital recording software is just what the acronym stands for: Digital Audio Workstation.
Yes, there are daws that are less conventional, such as AUM and Apematrix. in AUM for example, you can record any channel independently and route audio in complex ways if you wish, but it lacks the traditional DAW timeline (which I find refreshing).
I use a hardware sequencer and record in AUM. I prefer focusing on sounds rather than looking at waveforms, at least while recording. then I mix the results in a daw such as ableton or logic.
AUM is probably the most convenient base, too - as it puts (aligned) files into a folder with no additional effort.
Routing and selection of what you're gonna record from a jam is more straight than any DAW I'm aware of.
I prefer to use a daw as a glorified multitrack recorder, you can't beat that for ease of editing, i have a couple of ipads going in an connect4+ going out as two separate stereo audio channel into a hardware mixer alongside then various synths , all connected via midi, all recording into ableton via direct out, I tried AUM and so on but once you start dealing with 8 tracks plus it does become too much of a chore
Wow, you guys are fast! Thanks a lot!
@palm FM is future music mag. Not something I follow anymore but I enjoyed this feature.
The AUM route for multitracking seems best, but what do I use for a blade keyboard? I guess I’m being dumb and I can just use animoog?
I should excuse myself as I could figure this on my own, but you guys are so helpful, and I have to keep any energy I have left for the actual music making...
I don't know where you're getting the terms from.. I guess I don't read future music hehe. but what's a blade keyboard? I googled it and didn't get much other than tiny qwerty keyboards.
yeah, you can use animoog. that keyboard is decent. I'd recommend geoshred. it's the only really expressive, playable onscreen keyboard I've come across. I prefer an external midi controller myself.
The arturia keystep or the k-board are both pretty solid and easy to implement with iOS and bus powered.
Here’s mine:
ApeMatrix has my Synth I play which goes into AUM.
In AUM I have Rozeta Bassline playing my WaveMapper bass sound.
In AUM I have Rozeta XOX playing eight seperate instances of Ruismaker.
In AUM I have one master channel, One Drum master channel and one synth / bass master channel.
All this can be recorded in AUM. I’m waiting for an AU Midi recorder so I can record midi instead.
I remember buying the first release of FM mag. It had Gary Numan (who had just released his worst album ever imo) in it
Things I’m waiting for:
AUM to have MIDI stem recording built in.
ApeMatrix to have multiple outputs seperate to the bus mixes.
AUM AU windows to open in the last position and not move to the top.
+1 > AUM to have MIDI stem recording built in.
+1 > ApeMatrix to have multiple outputs seperate to the bus mixes.
+1 > AUM AU windows to open in the last position and not move to the top.
AUM to have Midi Pickup capabiiity for external controllers.
Looking forward to the next AUM and AudioBus updates. AudioBus will likely end up back in my setup somehow
i didnt get the audiobus beta yet (even though i signed up)so i dont really know whats coming, but lately i havent used it that much, Aum is running all the time though
The AB3 beta has me back using it regularly again. I love AUM but AB is easier for a beginner.
Yeah I’m not on beta, but I need another host to plug into AUM. If I could have multiple ApeMatrix apps open, I would be in heaven.
Maybe ApeMatrix will get expanded one day so I have more pages each for their own synth and each with a seperate audio output!
+1 to all of that!
Midi is great in AUM, but the midi slots would certainly make it greater.
I'd add: Instrument Definitions (saving midi maps for instruments across projects. as it stands midi mapping is pretty tedious despite midi learn)
Track Groups! (so that things don't get so hairy when I add 8 tracks for patterning etc.) I wonder if that might help with some of the GUI related audio glitches that happen when I have too many tracks to scroll through.. Even when the dsp is low, I get glitches with too many channels.
The MIDI slots in Audiobus are simply made for this kind of stuff. It takes all the complexity out of MIDI routing (which - let's be frank - can still be quite daunting/abstract for many people). @Michael was absolutely onto something when he added those to Audiobus 3.
Any Mac users. Im curious about something. Can you use 2 Ica4+ as aggregate devices to send 16 channels from each iPad into a daw for 32 channels of iOS goodness in say ableton ?
I’m experimenting with deluge -> aum. So far it’s the best workflow for me. Editing midi with deluge is the fastest way for me. I haven’t completed a whole song yet though so I’ll give a final verdict when I’m done
What’s Deluge? I’ve never heard of that app
@Fruitbat1919 deluge is a hardware synth/sequencer with 16 midi channels out, an incredible song/arranger mode. It’s almost a hardware daw. You can google deluge synthstrom if you want more info about it. I think it’s a perfect combo with ipad. I can buy affordable ipad synths and sequence/arrange songs with deluge
Deluge is also a sampler. It has so many features I don’t even know all. I have had it for couple of weeks
Ok I’m sold after a quick video watch!
Just a few quick questions:
I presume the Deluge needs it’s own power supply and can’t be powered from the iPad? (That would be a miracle lol)
Do the knobs for changing the sound send midi CCs?
Is it class complient? (I presume it is to work ok with the iPad)
I lately have been starting everything with Xequence.. such a great tool for sequencing midi. Then I point it to what ever I want. Also if I get something cool in rozeta or SPA I record that midi into Xequence for saving or further tweaking.
Cool
@Fruitbat1919 the deluge has its own battery. It is class compliant and it can send midi to ipad. I’m pretty sure the knobs can send midi cc even though I haven’t done that
@Dawdles it has a fun factor like the op-1. You need some time with it though. You have to RTFM but it’s nice to get away from the screen and concentrate on physical pads and knobs