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  • "iOS: user files are now available through the Files app"

    Bloody ripper! Everything else is gravy.

  • @Jocphone said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @Jocphone said:
    Excuse me for being thick but what does:

    iOS: user files are now available through the Files app;

    ..actually mean in practice?

    better file management.
    Now you can browse and share your sunvox files in the "On my ipad" section of Files.
    much better way of importing midi files and samples etc

    Thanks @Carnbot was looking at file import/export but didn't realise that the app files were now in the Files app. Did SV move them?

    Anyway that let me organise all my monthly folders of files going back to 2015 into yearly folders so a bit less clutter. What happens with Samples and MIDI though?

    Well they've not been moved, just now have access through the Files app. but it's much easier now to import folders you could copy a whole lot of samples together and put them in a sunvox folder rather than having to open sunvox first.

    so whatever folders you had in your Sunvox setup should now be available to see in Files.

  • edited July 2018

    @e121 said:

    @gusgranite said:

    • new pattern effect 24: take a note from line XXYY on the same track; if the note to the left of the effect is specified, it will be used as the transposition value (relative to C5: c5 - one semitone higher, C4 - one octave lower, etc.); if the module number is missing, then the module number from line XXYY will be used;
    • new pattern effect 25: take a random note from the range of lines XX..YY (inclusive) on the same track;
    • new pattern effect 26: take a note from track XXYY on the same line;
    • new pattern effect 27: take a random note from the range of tracks XX..YY (inclusive) on the same line;
    • new pattern effect 28: take a note from line XXYY on track 0;
    • new pattern effect 29: take a random note from the range of lines XX..YY (inclusive) on track 0; see example "pat effect 29 random note from trk0";

    These are great. For those who are scratching your heads at what they are, first off, that's understandable. Second, they essentially allow for note randomization and variation within a pattern. Each effect allows you to direct SunVox where to get a note from.

    The example song for 29 is a good place to help you understand:

    The notes are all set up on track 0. Track 1 then directs SunVox to choose a random note from lines 00-08 on track 0, and changing the note on track 1 transposes that note.

    Each of these effects then does more or less the same thing, just in a different manner.

    The Drum Synth module is perfect for giving this new feature a spin, because it has different kits across all the octaves. Quick set up:

    -open new empty song
    -open drum synth, attach it to output
    -on track 0 enter notes on lines 00-08
    -on track 1 enter 29 for all lines in the effect column (EE), then 0008 for all lines on the XXYY column (you can just put 8 in the last Y column and the zeros get filled in automatically), then add a few notes where you want to transpose
    -hit play
    -get funky

    You can do much with this:

    -set up only half a pattern to be random
    -set up two different sections of notes on track 0 and omit notes in one section, then use track 1 to point to the different sections at different points in the pattern
    -get even funkier

    SunVox is just ridiculously good.

  • how do i send a sample from audioshare to sunvox, to use in the sampler?

  • Boffins, the lot of yer.

  • @Carnbot said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @Jocphone said:
    Excuse me for being thick but what does:

    iOS: user files are now available through the Files app;

    ..actually mean in practice?

    better file management.
    Now you can browse and share your sunvox files in the "On my ipad" section of Files.
    much better way of importing midi files and samples etc

    Thanks @Carnbot was looking at file import/export but didn't realise that the app files were now in the Files app. Did SV move them?

    Anyway that let me organise all my monthly folders of files going back to 2015 into yearly folders so a bit less clutter. What happens with Samples and MIDI though?

    Well they've not been moved, just now have access through the Files app. but it's much easier now to import folders you could copy a whole lot of samples together and put them in a sunvox folder rather than having to open sunvox first.

    so whatever folders you had in your Sunvox setup should now be available to see in Files.

    Thanks for your help, will go and have a play.

  • @eross said:
    how do i send a sample from audioshare to sunvox, to use in the sampler?

    You can use the “open in” function in AudioShare and it sends it directly to a Sampler module in SunVox ready to be used in the currently opened project.

  • @eross said:
    how do i send a sample from audioshare to sunvox, to use in the sampler?

    Click the share icon in Audioshare, copy to snvx. It opens in a new Sampler module.

  • @Jocphone said:

    @eross said:
    how do i send a sample from audioshare to sunvox, to use in the sampler?

    Click the share icon in Audioshare, copy to snvx. It opens in a new Sampler module.

    Or use the files app to copy samples from the AudioShare folder to an appropriate sub-folder in Sunvox. They’ll be available to load at that point.

  • @gusgranite said:

    • GPIO: max number of pins is increased to 256;

    Finally, I can build myself a synth with 256 knobs and switches.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @gusgranite said:

    • GPIO: max number of pins is increased to 256;

    Finally, I can build myself a synth with 256 knobs and switches.

    Here’s the inside of a module that ships with SunVox called Keres Yellow Kit

  • @Jocphone said:

    @eross said:
    how do i send a sample from audioshare to sunvox, to use in the sampler?

    Click the share icon in Audioshare, copy to snvx. It opens in a new Sampler module.

    oh that’s very convenient. thanks

  • hehehehe I use ios for ease of use and inspiration. That picture makes me want to crawl into a hole. Looks like something in excel charts or dna research. I'll leave this one to others.

  • @kinkujin said:
    hehehehe I use ios for ease of use and inspiration. That picture makes me want to crawl into a hole. Looks like something in excel charts or dna research. I'll leave this one to others.

    I use SnuVxo for ease of use and inspiration. :lol:

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Boffins, the lot of yer.

    Not me, I burst into tears just from looking at it.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Boffins, the lot of yer.

    Not me, I burst into tears just from looking at it.

    Honestly, it is just guitar pedals. Input in one end, connect wires between them. Output (speaker) at the end.

  • @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Boffins, the lot of yer.

    Not me, I burst into tears just from looking at it.

    Honestly, it is just guitar pedals. Input in one end, connect wires between them. Output (speaker) at the end.

    I hardly ever get aerated about UIs BUT S--V--........

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Boffins, the lot of yer.

    Not me, I burst into tears just from looking at it.

    Honestly, it is just guitar pedals. Input in one end, connect wires between them. Output (speaker) at the end.

    I hardly ever get aerated about UIs BUT S--V--........

    I actually find it quite comforting and efficient when using a light theme:

    Might well be Stockholm Syndrome though..

  • @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Boffins, the lot of yer.

    Not me, I burst into tears just from looking at it.

    Honestly, it is just guitar pedals. Input in one end, connect wires between them. Output (speaker) at the end.

    I don’t mind the wires, it’s the numbers that frighten me.

  • @Chaztrip said:
    This app scares me. I bought it one day, and never really touched it. Then I get the update and strat looking at the demo songs included that I never paid any attention to and wow. Amazing stuff coming out of this. I just need like 2 days of focus to dig in.

    Haha, I'm with you 100%. I think it's really cool and I even messed around with the (free) PC version a bit. For the $7 or whatever I spent on it, I absolutely was never disappointed by the purchase. But I also failed to ever figure out basic functionality in the app relating to sound design, MIDI routing/sequencing, or pretty much anything else that allowed me to use it musically.

    There's a subset of iOS music apps (Different Drummer comes to mind) that seem to have obvious potential under the hood, but it becomes more of a computer game just figuring out how to tame the thing to perform functions that would be evident within 15 seconds of opening any other app. Such is my experience with SunVox.

    All that complaining aside, it's an incredibly powerful and far reaching app that does everything and nothing for me all at the same time. This is an impressive list of upgrades and the app has been well supported over the years, particularly for something that looks like it is based on the tracker programs of 25+ years ago.

  • edited July 2018

    SunVox can be used as a 16-part midi sampler quite easily.

    First go to 'Preferences' and enable the midi-input you wish to use.
    (This step is optional as SunVox creates it's own Virtual Midi-Port that can be addressed from for example AUM)

    Create 16 sampler 'boxes' and make sure each of them always receives midi on a separate midi-channel (double tap on the box for settings) unless you want layering. Wire each sampler to the Output unless you wish to pass them thru filters or any other effects in which case you can create effect boxes and wire them all together.

    Save that as a 'template' (and if needed select that as the 'starting template' to speed things up).

    In order to make sample-import easier copy a folder of samples into the SunVox folder using Files.app.
    Load a sample to each of the 16 samplers, done.

    Sequencing is pretty straight forward to using the patterns, think of it as a vertical time-line instead of a horizontal one with next to absolute control over every step regarding playback parameters.
    (The original 'SoundTracker' was a 16-part sampler with 4 voice polyphony).

    SunVox is pretty binary so there are 10 types of users, those who get it and those who don't.

  • edited July 2018

    Ok, here's a 9 image crash course on using SunVox as a 'sample player' in AUM...

    Launch AUM and load SunVox IAA-Generator onto a track and tap on the SunVox icon...
    In SunVox menu select new project and choose 'empty'.

    The screen should look like this.

    Double-Tap on an empty area close to the Output icon to bring up a menu of 'modules' and choose the 'Sampler'

    Double tap on the Sampler object to bring up it's configuration and make sure Midi In is set to always and also choose a channel like this.

    Close the box and tap on 'Edit' to enter the Sampler boxes editor but don't forget to 'connect' the sampler to the output, tap with one finger on the sampler and another finger on the output...

    Tap on the 'Samples' tab.

    Tap om the 3-lines menu next to the magnifying glasses to bring up the load/save etc. menu and choose 'Load'.

    Choose a file using the SunVox file-manager.

    I suggest creating a 'Samples' folder using Files.app inside the SunVox folder for ease of use).
    And from AudioShare just tap 'Share' and use 'Files' as an option and export the sample to SunVox.

    Once the sample is loaded tap 'Close' and repeat the process for as many samples you need.

    Now over to AUM where you...
    ...bring up the AUM keyboard and tap on the wrench.

    And select SunVox Virtual as the destination...

    Play your sample using the AUM keyboard...

    With a bit of trial-n-error you'll all master this in no time!

    Cheers!
    /Samu

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Boffins, the lot of yer.

    Not me, I burst into tears just from looking at it.

    Honestly, it is just guitar pedals. Input in one end, connect wires between them. Output (speaker) at the end.

    I don’t mind the wires, it’s the numbers that frighten me.

    The tracker panel at the top? I have it closed 99% of the time.

  • @Samu said:

    Play your sample using the AUM keyboard...

    With a bit of trial-n-error you'll all master this in no time!

    Cheers!
    /Samu

    Nice one Samu, I'll try that later.

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Boffins, the lot of yer.

    Not me, I burst into tears just from looking at it.

    Honestly, it is just guitar pedals. Input in one end, connect wires between them. Output (speaker) at the end.

    I don’t mind the wires, it’s the numbers that frighten me.

    The tracker panel at the top? I have it closed 99% of the time.

    Ah ok. I did have a bash with it last year, I'll have another look now it's been updated.

  • @Jocphone said:

    The tracker panel at the top? I have it closed 99% of the time.

    I always maximise the part I'm actually using and scale the text to be as big as possible :)
    'Step Notes' notes into the pattern is actually not so hard when the cursor keys are enabled and it's possible to enable 'draw mode' for editing the parameter automation.

    SunVox truly rewards those who take the time to master it.

  • @Samu said:

    @Jocphone said:

    The tracker panel at the top? I have it closed 99% of the time.

    I always maximise the part I'm actually using and scale the text to be as big as possible :)
    'Step Notes' notes into the pattern is actually not so hard when the cursor keys are enabled and it's possible to enable 'draw mode' for editing the parameter automation.

    SunVox truly rewards those who take the time to master it.

    The other great thing is that it allows such variety in how to work with it.

    I do get the tracker, and have used it plenty, but mostly I tend to lay down a simple note pattern linked to a MultiSynth and then spend all my time wiring and rewiring modules off of this to get the effects I am after.

    Once I have a dozen or so sunvx files I then load them all into an empty snvox and wire them up as a multitrack that can be sequenced from the timeline. Pure magic!

  • @Samu said:
    SunVox can be used as a 16-part midi sampler quite easily.

    Unfortunately, in my experience SunVox is not really usable as a MIDI sound module because whenever I tried to use it that way, I got very inaccurate timing (like, 16th notes at 120 BPM all over the place). It gets better at lower buffer sizes, which makes me think that SunVox just adds incoming MIDI notes at sample buffer granularity, which is of course not acceptable for electronic music, or anything except pads :( Other than that I love it.

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @Samu said:
    SunVox can be used as a 16-part midi sampler quite easily.

    Unfortunately, in my experience SunVox is not really usable as a MIDI sound module because whenever I tried to use it that way, I got very inaccurate timing (like, 16th notes at 120 BPM all over the place). It gets better at lower buffer sizes, which makes me think that SunVox just adds incoming MIDI notes at sample buffer granularity, which is of course not acceptable for electronic music, or anything except pads :( Other than that I love it.

    Sounds like a useful defect report..

  • @Jocphone yah will report it, I remixed one of Sunvox's demo tunes (Siberian Beauty) a few years ago anyway so I should still have Alexander's email address on file :)

  • @Jocphone said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Samu said:
    SunVox can be used as a 16-part midi sampler quite easily.

    Unfortunately, in my experience SunVox is not really usable as a MIDI sound module because whenever I tried to use it that way, I got very inaccurate timing (like, 16th notes at 120 BPM all over the place). It gets better at lower buffer sizes, which makes me think that SunVox just adds incoming MIDI notes at sample buffer granularity, which is of course not acceptable for electronic music, or anything except pads :( Other than that I love it.

    Sounds like a useful defect report..

    Most iOS apps are 'sloppy' with midi-timing especially when controlling or being controlled by other apps that's why I really do prefer to render loops when ever I can. iOS is not a 'real-time OS' OS so some lags are to be expected.

    Setting to buffer to 64 in AUM makes things a bit better but I still prefer to render loops.
    Now If SunVox was an AUV3 we could potentially have sample-accurate sync.

    May IAA R.I.P. I will not miss it at all...

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