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Which music is more melodious?
American or European?
Why is futuristic music like Trance not popular in USA?
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These are deep and existential questions...
To which I have no answers, I’m afraid
Just my opinion, of course, but neither, I am afraid. Melody has been dumbed down in western music. Eastern music I don't really know much about. Indian traditional music is all melody but Bollywood has the ears of most of her billion inhabitants I imagine.
American pop vocal styling is often more about torturing individual notes than putting across a great melody. Lennon and McCartney wrote great melodies as well as other bands of the era, but shit, that was fifty years ago. Yes, there are still great hooks being written, but they are, after all, sound bytes.
If you look at Phillip Glass or John Adams, two "serious" composers I really admire there is no melody! Of course there are many exceptions in all genres cause music is so darn big, but, speaking in generalities, melody is on vacation. I imagine someone will change my mind here on this august forum. I would welcome it.
That's a good analysis.
Trance may sound futuristic, but it's content isn't. Hooks are often based on folklore.
A four to the floor beat mixed with a russian childsong will score any time
Melody is up to the ear of the beholder.
Imho it hasn't vanished at all from popular music - there's just so many 'music' around that catchy tunes may appear as an exception.
@Telefunky, I, of course, respect your opinion. But, for me, you have not made a very good case. If melodies can be analyzed (and I believe they have) to demonstrate the paucity of actual melodic content in popular western music, I Don't think you can lean on the poor old folklorics who gave their melodies free of charge to guys who knew what to do with them, like Beethoven and Bartok. Just my opinion.
Maybe the question should be which is less melodious?
The answer to that is easy : both
I have no problems with disagreement
but in this case you've simply misread that section, as 'folklore' wasn't related to melody but to the 'futuristic' attribute of Trance.
Actually a joke from the net... when years ago someone suggested that recipe as a safe way to a top score dancefloor hit.
(which of course isn't necessarily Trance, but I know some psy-trance from Israel which is often spiced with traditional lines from middle east folklore)
@telefunky. I gotcha...maybe your thought about all the music is valid. It's like there are seven billion people on the planet; At least ten million must be writing great melodies!
But maybe the other 6 billion, 980 million aren't interested ( I left off ten million who are.
That's fair, isn't it?)🤔Hmmmm
Neither. Instead, look at the classical musics of India, Persia, and the Arab world. They are all melody; no harmony.
Still @Max23, the question is which is more melodic, American or European. I fell into the no harmony, look at those billion on the other side of the world, pit, too. (Actually, I am in Turkey, just a puff of turmeric away) But @MobileMusic knows this, I am guessing. So, if forced to choose, which is more melodic, Amurican or Yooropean? What are the criteria? Beats me.
Maybe the idea of melody has changed? Maybe this has to do with the easy manipulation of sounds into a hook? Where you used to have to write something as durable as the Ode to Joy or "Are You Lonesome Tonight" to get people to remember it, now it's something as elemental as the way Cardi B says "don't get comfortable-UH" that counts as a hook. (And it is!)
It's just different. People are writing melodies; they're just not getting played on the radio.
I beg to disagree. This is one of the few pieces that actually made me weep in a concert hall. Seriously, I challenge you to make it all the way through without being moved.
There was this great kind of music! THEN WHAT HAPPENED??
Why did some of these bands disappear after dishing out just a few super hit melodies like these? Why don't they continue?
No Mercy - Where Do You Go?
What is Love - No Mercy
U2 - New Year's Day
No Mercy - What is love
Mr. Mister - Broken Wings
Europe - The Final Countdown
Chris Rea - The road to hell
Bryan Adams - Summer Of '69
Bryan Adams - Please Forgive Me
Elton John - Circle of Life
Can You Feel The Love Tonight - Elton John
Careless Whisper - George Michael (RIP)
Kenny Loggins - Danger Zone
Meatloaf: life is a lemon and I want my money back
A-ha - Take on me
Metallica - The Unforgiven
Metallica - Nothing Else Matters
(Watch out the breath-taking Toms at 4:00)
That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick, Elton John, Gladys Knight & Stevie Wonder
Part Time Lovers - Stevie Wonder
Sting - Be Still My Beating Heart
Sting - When The Angels Fall
Sting - Something The Boy Said
Shine on you crazy diamond - Pink Floyd
Pink Floyd - Hey You
Yet Another Movie - Pink Floyd
Michael Learns To Rock - SomeDay SomeWay
Ricky Martin - She's All I Ever Had
Groovy Kind Of Love / Phil Collins
Marc Anthony - My baby you
Dire Straits - Ride Across the River
Dire Straits - You and Your Friend
Richard Marx - Where Ever You Go
Boyzone - Words
Backstreet Boys - Show Me The Meaning Of Being Lonely
George Michael (RIP) - Jesus To A Child
Chris Daughtry - What About Now
Madonna - Frozen
Madonna - La Isla Bonita
Madonna - Take a Bow
Madonna - The Power Of Good-Bye
Dreaming of you - Selena (RIP)
I Could Fall In Love - Selena (R.I.P)
Céline Dion - That's The Way It Is
Céline Dion - To Love You More
Céline Dion - It's All Coming Back To Me Now
Toni Braxton - Un-Break My Heart
The Cranberries - Dreams
Donna Lewis - I Love You Always Forever
Amy Grant - I Will Remember You
Colour of the wind - Vanessa williams
Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse of the Heart
No Doubt - Don't Speak
Nelly Furtado - Say It Right
Melanie C - I turn to you
Jennifer Lopez - Waiting For Tonight
Evanescence - Bring Me To Life
Natasha Bedingfield - Take Me Away
The Corrs - Breathless
Cyndi Lauper - Time After Time
Adele - Set Fire To The Rain
Mariah Carey - I Can't Live Without You
I Just Can't Stop Loving You - Michael Jackson (RIP)
Heal The World - Michael Jackson (RIP)
Take it Off - Ke$ha
Every club plays this song setting the dance floor on fire !!
Batman - The Dark Knight
Hans Zimmer / J. Newton Howard - LIVE
A Watchful A Guardian - The Dark Knight - Hans Zimmer - Cover
Some Zimmerman style music in this HP ads:
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Why did the stylish Hi-NRG get replaced?
I'm Gonna Give My Heart - London Boys (RIP)
NOTHING EVER LASTS FOREVER - NOTHING STAYS THE SAME
(Look Maa...!! No apps or touch screens - just pure hardware and hardcore performance!!)
(these guys could flip in a 6x3 foot space and set the stage on FIRE!! So sad, they got killed in an accident too early)
Requiem - London Boys (RIP)
Harlem Desire - London Boys (RIP)
London Nights - London Boys (RIP)
Kraftwerk - The Man Machine
The Real Thing - 2 Unlimited
Pet Shop Boys - It's a Sin
Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls
Pet Shop Boys - Suburbia
Savage Garden - To The Moon & Back
You Keep Me Hangin' On - Kim Wilde
Stay with me tonight - Patty Ryan
I Get Weak - Belinda Carlisle
Koto - Visitors
I'm your believer - Silent Circle
Eurodisco 80's vol. 6 Compilation
This is Euro Dance/WORKOUT music!
Eurodisco 80's vol. 5 Compilation
Eurodisco 80's vol. 4 Compilation
Eurodisco 80's vol. 3 Compilation
Eurodisco 80's vol. 2 Compilation
Eurodisco 80's vol.1 Compilation
Eurodisco Instrumental (v.5)
Eurodisco Instrumental (v.4)
Eurodisco Instrumental (v.3)
Eurodisco Instrumental (v.2)
Eurodisco Instrumental (v.1)
This is Euro music!!
80's Nonstop Mix - Request Time Vol.01
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TRANCE IS FOREVER
Rachel In Trance - Zymotix
Luminary - Amsterdam
Tomorrow - Cosmic Gate
The Drums - Cosmic Gate
Glow - Rah - The Best of Palpitus : Euro
Dutch Force - Deadline
One of the BEST examples of Trance music!!
Darude - Sandstorm
William Orbit Barbers Adagio For Strings
No Control - Luk Terry - James Dymond Remix
Orbion - Armin van Buuren
Phatt Bass - Wrap Brothers vs Aquagen
Inside Of Me - Murder Mix - Spacecorn vs Artificial
U - Gareth Emery feat Bo Bruce
Beautiful Things - Andain
Incomplete - Radio Edit
Move On - A.R.D.I feat - Hanna Finsen - Radio Edit
It's A Fine Day - Miss Jane - Live
This is Kirsty Hawkshaw - not Jane
It's A Fine Day - Miss Jane
Original & Official Video
Pleasure - Richard Durand & Protoculture
Quench Dreams (trance)
Yes, this music is 23 years old and still futuristic!
TRANCE MIX - Some Of The Best TRANCE classics
Trance - It's a way of Living!
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MUSIC ON APPS
FL Studio Mobile 3
Uplifting Trance (factory demo song)
FL Studio Mobile 3
Epic Trance Track (factory demo song)
Trance music on Gadget app
Abbie And Crane
Trance music played on Korg Gadget app
Trance music on the free Caustic app modular synth
Nanostudio DAW - Open Road - Dance / Liquid dubstep Song
Children - Robert Miles (RIP) - cover on GB
Comfortably Numb - cover on GB
Comfortably Numb cover - Pink Floyd - on GB
Hey You - Pink Floyd cover on GB
GarageBand - iOS - Trance - Cool EDM
Lordy, @MobileMusic ! I am starting to think you had a hidden agenda! Does @Michael have to pay for all this space? (Just kidding!) and we all fell into your trap!
@ExAsperis99 I think you know what I am driving at. Philip Glass made music I was dying to make and couldn't. Is there melody in his famous operas Einstein on the Beach, the Photographer, the Egyptian one and in Glassworks, and the song album? Sure, but it's minimal. The Kronos is extraordinary and maybe you are right. Maybe melody has changed. After all everything is getting shorter. But frankly, I can't watch a lot of new video because nothing lingers. You start to see something and it is gone. It is so inhuman at times.
So here's a piece I made this afternoon. I thought it was incomplete... It needed some melody, violin solo maybe to ride on top, but maybe I am wrong. Maybe it is chock full of melody already! You tell me @ExAsperis99 ... Maybe I am looking at it wrong.
GET OFF MY LAWN!
That’s quite amazing. It’s like if Alan Hovannhess did the “blade runner” soundtrack!
But I agree that there is room for a melody. But something mournful, I can oboe, or a bassoon.
Nice work.
Wow - I suffered through all of that stuff when it first came out. Never again...
The question should rather be... what kinda music is the most boringly repetitious 4/4 shit with a half naked babe in leather and silicon boobs... who needs melody. Melody isn’t a selling point in pop music nowadays. It’s recognition. Repetitions gives comfort. The sonata form was created by Haydn so that the audience could anticipate the development of the Symphony.
Indian scales have no more than seven notes. But there are several different ways to tune some of the notes, and so each raga can have a slightly different tuning.
Really nice piece. It already has a melody. You just need to bring it out front with your orchestration. It's hidden in the pads as it is.
Nice!
I think I just broke the record of having posted AB forum's longest scrolling message
(It's just text/links anyway - video thumbnails are loaded off YouTube servers and bandwidth costs go to YT)
I'm not going to listen to all those videos... can someone summarize what they imply about pop music trends and melody.
Unless you repeat a single note you have a melody. If it's melodious or not is up to the listener.
It was a very impressive post. I can't imagine putting that effort in a single post. It will live on...
Country music seems to be melodic, like it always was. I think it’s American...
Hip Hop seems to be taking up melody, if the auto tune rappers are any indication. I think that is American, too.
That Despecito song was pretty melodious. Not sure where that came from, probably Latin America, so American as well.
The Greatest Showman Soundtrack is pretty full on melodic. American as well.
Not sure why people can’t find melody anywhere.
When these types of questions are asked, it seems only Top 40 (or Hot 100 now) shit is considered, whether old or new. But how many people on here actually listen to or aspire to make Top 40 drivel? I know I sure do!
More than melody I think I'm interested in finding new "tones" in voices and instruments... and the small musical decisions a new artist makes that makes you love music again. Fresh always works for me. Surprise me.
Are you serious with that link list? Not song quality wise, but length wise, good christ
I feel like I’m being trolled again.
I think that comes naturally with using electronic music based instruments or sounds or FX or whatever it is that lets you have control over the sound to give you a whole new universe to explore in music creation. The sound choices and sculpting of the sounds, the variety and combinations, really so many aspects to explore.
It seems like traditional concerns about music composition, while still relevant and valid, are now a very small area of consideration when creating music. It serves to create a coherent framework in some cases, but can be successfully ignored in some cases as well. Take Dubstep. Love it or hate it, you cannot deny it’s raw power and primitive appeal. It is incoherent in a traditional music sense, but it gets into people and creates a pretty startling reaction in nearly anyone who hears it for the first time.