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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @ScottVanZandt said:

    @Cib said:
    Very nice pieces here. The only thing i would say it lacks is indeed the more immersive feeling i want from orchestra and /or other huge cinematic sounds.
    It is great but i think it would sounds still much better with better tools and especially FX.
    No more lack of dynamics, more natural swells, textures is what i would love for iOS. I love all those really subtle things going on. But maybe many people don´t care about it.
    Hard to explain but on iOS a lot things still sounds a bit more hollow, lacks real depth and that 3 dimensional feeling.
    From a composition point these tracks are wonderful. I hope that sounds not too negative. I´m just a junkie for really immersive sounds with lots of subtle details you might hear just with several listenings.

    Thanks for listening and your feedback :smiley: I completely understand what you mean about the immersive feeling missing. We don't have those orchestral mic positioning options like in the fancy Kontakt liberaries (which I've never used, but I've watched videos on - I haven't written music on a PC in over 12 years smh...). I've seen this IOS plugin called VirtualRoom Pro. I wonder, if I exported stems from Gadget into Cubasis, and then used that Audio unit to put the instruments in different locations of the "room", do you think that would help create a more 3-dimensional sound? That might be a fun little experiment. I could also remove all of the reverb in Gadget, and apply a better reverb in Cubasis, or better yet, do this in Auria so I can use Pro-R reverb. So many options...

    I must say i listened to some of your soundcloud tracks and you really get some amazing thing out of your tools.
    I really like your style of modern hybrid scores with atmosphere and interesting changes.
    Ever experimented with microtonal things?

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @LinearLineman said:
    @Cib, I certainly can understand your viewpoint and the needs of your ears. I have been on a classical music forum recently ( why I started this thread), and believe me, they roundly dismiss desktop produced music much more harshly than your criticism of the limitations of iOS. I guess it is a relative thing. And it is definitely a problem if you are "emulating" something rather than using something (like a synth lead) that is not an emulation of anything. You can use virtual acoustic instruments in ways you can't use the real ones ( pitch range, crazy impossible moves on a violin, etc). @kuhl added Model D to a Mahler piece with great effect. I guess if you are always trying to "emulate" you are not free to use even acoustic virtual instruments in a brand new way. Does that make any sense?

    As far as FX, they are getting better (FabFilter?) aren't they? Maybe iOS just needs a couple more years, but if we just try to emulate a real orchestra those classical guys will always beat us down, and maybe rightly s. Take the orchestra and transform it, I say! Fuck em.

    I mean it´s not only about going for realistic sounds. I prefer myself some weird hybrid sounds from outa space :)
    It adds just up if you love to do harmonic distortion, delays and cascade several FX to paint a really deep soundscape. It´s hard to get that with my iOS apps (Alchemy is still good for this). But of course that might be just me. At the end it doesn´t matter if you use iOS, windows, mac, hardware or acoustic instruments.
    They all are just tools and iOS is just a part of it these days. It seems often that iOS musicians try to focus too much on "this is made on an iPad only". It doesn´t matter and listeners don´t care.
    However if someone feels more creative with iOS, better tools won´t help. So everything is fine here ;)
    As usual a friendly conversation here instead of some bitching which goes around in other forums.
    Let´s hope that won´t change too in the future if it grows. Beeing a grumpy man myself i hope i´m still not to harsh often. Sometimes it´s just my poor english and not finding the right words.
    So short said....you guys are awesome! :)

  • ScottVanZandtScottVanZandt

    @AlterEgo_UK said:
    Here is a piece I wrote on my iPad - 4 years ago (before the days of iSymphonic etc. :smile: ) This starts with a bit of mellotron woodwind from Thumbjam but the rest is Bismark bs-16i recorded via Audiobus into Cubasis. I have learned a lot more about mixing since then but I post it as an early example of iOS being used to compose orchestral music with what was available back then.

    Really enjoying this! I'm on my lunch break at work, and it's definitely calming my nerves and making me forget how much I hate my job, haha.

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

    @Cib, definitely all in good fun, and yes, folks are more equable here. Even the most harmless thread I read on this classical forum turned into a fight over atheism and deism, unassailable musical truths, the meaning of art... and they were discussing Beethoven's 9th!

  • ScottVanZandtScottVanZandt

    @Cib said:

    @ScottVanZandt said:

    @Cib said:
    Very nice pieces here. The only thing i would say it lacks is indeed the more immersive feeling i want from orchestra and /or other huge cinematic sounds.
    It is great but i think it would sounds still much better with better tools and especially FX.
    No more lack of dynamics, more natural swells, textures is what i would love for iOS. I love all those really subtle things going on. But maybe many people don´t care about it.
    Hard to explain but on iOS a lot things still sounds a bit more hollow, lacks real depth and that 3 dimensional feeling.
    From a composition point these tracks are wonderful. I hope that sounds not too negative. I´m just a junkie for really immersive sounds with lots of subtle details you might hear just with several listenings.

    Thanks for listening and your feedback :smiley: I completely understand what you mean about the immersive feeling missing. We don't have those orchestral mic positioning options like in the fancy Kontakt liberaries (which I've never used, but I've watched videos on - I haven't written music on a PC in over 12 years smh...). I've seen this IOS plugin called VirtualRoom Pro. I wonder, if I exported stems from Gadget into Cubasis, and then used that Audio unit to put the instruments in different locations of the "room", do you think that would help create a more 3-dimensional sound? That might be a fun little experiment. I could also remove all of the reverb in Gadget, and apply a better reverb in Cubasis, or better yet, do this in Auria so I can use Pro-R reverb. So many options...

    I must say i listened to some of your soundcloud tracks and you really get some amazing thing out of your tools.
    I really like your style of modern hybrid scores with atmosphere and interesting changes.
    Ever experimented with microtonal things?

    Microtonal.... Oy! I'm not quite ready for that, other than regular pitch bending.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited August 2018

    @ScottVanZandt said:

    @Cib said:

    @ScottVanZandt said:

    @Cib said:
    Very nice pieces here. The only thing i would say it lacks is indeed the more immersive feeling i want from orchestra and /or other huge cinematic sounds.
    It is great but i think it would sounds still much better with better tools and especially FX.
    No more lack of dynamics, more natural swells, textures is what i would love for iOS. I love all those really subtle things going on. But maybe many people don´t care about it.
    Hard to explain but on iOS a lot things still sounds a bit more hollow, lacks real depth and that 3 dimensional feeling.
    From a composition point these tracks are wonderful. I hope that sounds not too negative. I´m just a junkie for really immersive sounds with lots of subtle details you might hear just with several listenings.

    Thanks for listening and your feedback :smiley: I completely understand what you mean about the immersive feeling missing. We don't have those orchestral mic positioning options like in the fancy Kontakt liberaries (which I've never used, but I've watched videos on - I haven't written music on a PC in over 12 years smh...). I've seen this IOS plugin called VirtualRoom Pro. I wonder, if I exported stems from Gadget into Cubasis, and then used that Audio unit to put the instruments in different locations of the "room", do you think that would help create a more 3-dimensional sound? That might be a fun little experiment. I could also remove all of the reverb in Gadget, and apply a better reverb in Cubasis, or better yet, do this in Auria so I can use Pro-R reverb. So many options...

    I must say i listened to some of your soundcloud tracks and you really get some amazing thing out of your tools.
    I really like your style of modern hybrid scores with atmosphere and interesting changes.
    Ever experimented with microtonal things?

    Microtonal.... Oy! I'm not quite ready for that, other than regular pitch bending.

    I mean f.e. with mallets, bells and musicbox like sounds you can get quite a wonderful mood...even baked into a western ET scale. Check out the awesome free Synth One for iPad which offers microtunings.

  • AlterEgo_UKAlterEgo_UK

    @ScottVanZandt said:

    @AlterEgo_UK said:
    Here is a piece I wrote on my iPad - 4 years ago (before the days of iSymphonic etc. :smile: ) This starts with a bit of mellotron woodwind from Thumbjam but the rest is Bismark bs-16i recorded via Audiobus into Cubasis. I have learned a lot more about mixing since then but I post it as an early example of iOS being used to compose orchestral music with what was available back then.

    Really enjoying this! I'm on my lunch break at work, and it's definitely calming my nerves and making me forget how much I hate my job, haha.

    Ha ha! Thanks @ScottVanZandt :smile:

    Your music on SC is pretty amazing!

  • chandrojichandroji

    @AlterEgo_UK said:
    Here is a piece I wrote on my iPad - 4 years ago (before the days of iSymphonic etc. :smile: ) This starts with a bit of mellotron woodwind from Thumbjam but the rest is Bismark bs-16i recorded via Audiobus into Cubasis. I have learned a lot more about mixing since then but I post it as an early example of iOS being used to compose orchestral music with what was available back then.

    Hi Colin!
    That’s a lovely piece of music you’ve created 4 years ago.
    May not perfect but hey who’s care? Only the music counts. I like the melody and the tunes of the guitar, oboes and strings. A beautiful music to welcome the spring.🎶

    Sure, 4 years later you can use some more incredible nice instruments and your mixing and mastering skills are better now. All our music can win if we are able to use modern technology. But what about all that good old stuff we love? I have so many old records produced with an 4 or 8-Track machine and they are sounding amazingly good even today in my ears. It’s not the technology of sound we love but the music itself. Anyway...

    I like your track Colin! 🎶👍😎

  • chandrojichandroji
    edited August 2018

    Interesting discussion!
    Yes, there are undisputed differences in sound quality when comparing desktop libraries with IOS instruments. Desktop orchestras simply sound better if you can handle the large sample libraries accordingly. But everything is relative.

    I own some big libraries from East West which cost a 4 digit amount. The Hollywood Strings from EW sound fantastic if you want to go into it and can familiarize yourself with them. The effort is immense for a hobby musician. The fact is, it costs a lot of money to realize an official sound. Not to mention the time required.

    I said goodbye to the idea of creating the perfect sound. The Desktop Studio is just dusting up at the moment. I’m going to change completely to an iPad for my music.

    For the price of some EW sample libraries you can easily afford an iPad Pro and all popular music apps. Some music may not sound completely natural especially classical music, but who does that bother me if not myself? Instead I will have a lot of fun creating music in a new and fresh way.

    I can be very happy with the possibilities the iPad offers me, I don't need the perfect orchestra sound. Hey, I'm just a hobby musician who just wants to make some nice recordings.🎶
    That’s why I can enjoy the music like Colin @AlterEgo_UK produced 4 years ago. No need to be perfect.😊

    Sure, with an iPad you cannot "yet" set blockbusters to music. Just have a look at Hans Zimmer's studio. I can not imagine how much money he invested in to get the right sound...😎

    Personally, I think it's great what's possible with iPad, iSymphonic, Miroslav and co, even if it doesn't sound perfect yet! 👍

    @LinearLineman told us how this topic can discussed in a classical forum. There, the computer counts for nothing. True classical music can only played with a real orchestra. Only that sounds really authentic. Computer based classical music is a Sakrileg... 😎

    I hope I was able to make myself understood. My English is not perfect either, but I think you know what I mean.
    Many greetings to all!

  • AlterEgo_UKAlterEgo_UK

    @chandroji said:

    @AlterEgo_UK said:
    Here is a piece I wrote on my iPad - 4 years ago (before the days of iSymphonic etc. :smile: ) This starts with a bit of mellotron woodwind from Thumbjam but the rest is Bismark bs-16i recorded via Audiobus into Cubasis. I have learned a lot more about mixing since then but I post it as an early example of iOS being used to compose orchestral music with what was available back then.

    Hi Colin!
    That’s a lovely piece of music you’ve created 4 years ago.
    May not perfect but hey who’s care? Only the music counts. I like the melody and the tunes of the guitar, oboes and strings. A beautiful music to welcome the spring.🎶

    Sure, 4 years later you can use some more incredible nice instruments and your mixing and mastering skills are better now. All our music can win if we are able to use modern technology. But what about all that good old stuff we love? I have so many old records produced with an 4 or 8-Track machine and they are sounding amazingly good even today in my ears. It’s not the technology of sound we love but the music itself. Anyway...

    I like your track Colin! 🎶👍😎

    Thanks @chandroji :smile:

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Just looking at the new AudioLayer sampler. It has the ability to randomize (round robin), mod wheel cross fading and disk streaming. I’m very tempted to take some free French horn samples and try to make an expressive instrument with modwheel dynamics for sustain articulations and round robin for staccatos. But time is not on my side :) Haven’t used or purchased the app yet, but maybe companies could release more expressive libraries to work with this app!

  • KühlKühl

    @ScottVanZandt said:
    Thanks for the feedback everyone! I wasn't expecting that :blush: I will definitely check out y'all's works and try to participate more in this forum as us classical nerds are somewhat of a minority here.

    Here's one more piece I did, another 'biggun' and it was done completely in Korg Gadget using a mixture of the KAPro Orchestra Dreams's pack and various other synth gadgets. I was super excited when that pack came out, and it's so much funner to compose with live plugins and not have to spend so much time freezing and unfreezing tracks. The multi-layered Staccato Orchestra patches were especially useful.

    I must get this KAPro pack. If sounds bad ass & you are a genius in arrangement, sir :smile:
    It was great fun to listen to your piece. Thanks.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    On sale still!

  • chandrojichandroji
    edited August 2018

    @ScottVanZandt said:
    Thanks for the feedback everyone! I wasn't expecting that :blush: I will definitely check out y'all's works and try to participate more in this forum as us classical nerds are somewhat of a minority here.

    Here's one more piece I did, another 'biggun' and it was done completely in Korg Gadget using a mixture of the KAPro Orchestra Dreams's pack and various other synth gadgets. I was super excited when that pack came out, and it's so much funner to compose with live plugins and not have to spend so much time freezing and unfreezing tracks. The multi-layered Staccato Orchestra patches were especially useful.

    Unbelievable that this is a pure gadget track, wonderful!
    So ful of music, dramatic and great soundings movements. I really love it! 😊
    This is one of the best Gadget Tracks I’ve ever heard. You are a great musician, gifted with a lot of talent @ScottVanZandt , respect ! 👍

    Thanks a lot for sharing your music with us. Like to listen more of your amazing stuff... 🎶

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