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I didn't read the whole thread, but my 2 cents would be:
It's the same argument as "Buy a house" vs. "Rent a house", and probably all the same pros and cons apply.
The only difference is: even the cheapest house is MUCH more expensive than the most expensive app, so most house renters probably chose to rent because they have no choice
So yeah... for me, owning software is really preferable. For music, it's even more pronounced. I would never consider renting music, because I LOVE music and every song I own is like a treasure to me.
AppRental == Pushing drugs to a junkie...
No Spotify or Apple Music for me.
No arguments there. The iOS framework is riddled with bugs. It's a nightmare for sure.
Developers considering a move to the subscription model, would be wise to realise that 99.999% of all musicians/producers/dj's/artists & noise makers of all flavours & persuasions will never accept it as the norm & it would therefore be prudent to heed the results of any market research undertaken.........including the free market research conducted on this Forum !
I would worry that subscriptions will squeeze out the independents eventually. Subs tend to gravitate towards one single service provider per service. I only subscribe to Netflix for film, I only subscribe to Spotify for streaming music, etc. It would just take one big software company to put out an ‘all you can eat’ synths, drums, FX, samples, mastering package’ and that could be the sole subscription for many people, I expect. It would be ‘good enough’ to not warrant subscribing to 500 different small developers.
I’ve never had this happen, but then most things I use are not subscription, and I wouldn’t subscribe to something where there was a possibility I could lose my work before saving it in a universal format.
In practical terms, I consider every techno thing I buy to be a rental. I’ve bought lots of hardware over the years. Some of it has been sold, but some sits in a closet, some has been donated, some hauled to the dump. Most software I’ve bought and used is long forgotten because it no longer interests me for some reason or it runs only on underpowered computers or with no update available for current devices. I have boxes of floppy disks, SCSI drives and other obsolete storage devices with content that will never again see the light of day. So I see it all as lifetime purchases that, in reality, had a shelf life.
The subscription model is fine for me if I can get my money’s worth out it for the time I use it. In some cases, I’d prefer a monthly or yearly rental of low cost per payment than “ownership” at a one-time higher price. As it turned out, much of what I’ve bought in the past would have worked out better as a subscription.
I heard about this years ago. There would someday be no apps you buy; everything would be online, possibly paid for per usage or an all-access kind of subscription. I don’t necessarily have anything against that. I didn’t like the sound of it initially, but I’m glad I spent zero time worrying about it because it hasn’t happened, and if and when it does, it will have to meet market demands. I don’t see the big problem. It’ll meet people's needs somehow because we don’t buy what we don’t want.
That's a beautiful and wonderfully profound sentiment. Grateful for that reminder.
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Did you come up with that quote? I'd like to share it in the future.
I guess the question is, do you want to remake every song that has ever been made.
Whether it was a bone flute, a piano, or an iPad app, new technology inspires new expression.
I only do subscriptions per requirement:
I use Spotify, because I am a bit of a minimalist and hate having to keep CDs or a hard drive full of music.
If I was more sample-based then synth-based I would probably have a subscription to a sample site.
I still like it old style!
Even ingnore still the free 3 months try.
The only substriction i have is Netfilx....beside things like electricity, water and gas etc.
I also still love to buy boxed versions of music production tools if possible.
If i would use subscription it would be a DAW which covers nearly all i need.
Synth wise i would subscribe to U-he and Spectrasonics and on iOS maybe Beepstreet.
For sample libraries there would be Heavyocity for me and maybe Spitfire. Nothing on iOS so far.
I’m not saying it applies to you specifically but, I suspect that in the future, if the technology currently exciting people is paid for by subscription, then many who think they wouldn’t support it will indeed be subscribing. It’s worked that way for me. Some subscriptions I like, and life is about adaptation.
I will never pay for a subscription. In this field there is no justification for it. I stopped using Adobe products and there are other options. I could lock down my ipad Pro right now with ios 11 and make all the music I want with what I have. Not only that, I have to guard against Apple ‘renting’ me my hardware nd software. I’d like to have possession of ll of my .ipa files. Have you tried that lately? I’d like to roll back an ios if it breaks my workflow. Have you tried that lately? And what “good” reasons are there for making these things difficult if mot impossible?
Explain this act of genius, someone. Apple removed the wish list. WTF? Yeah, yeah, I know, use Notes. But WHY? This is all revenue maximization without providing any additional service. Except the wish list...that’s incomprehensibe. The subscripion model is rarely a cost saving option to the end user as an individual.
If Android had better music creation apps (or even simply had all of Korg's apps ported over) and better art apps, Apple could then go fuck itself. Just when you thought their greed couldn't sink to new lows, they prove ya wrong once more.
@jwmmakerofmusic It is amazing to me how long it is taking Android to get it's latency numbers down. They have been working on this for years and still haven't gotten as good as Apple.
In my tests, and I can't speak for other devs, but the newest iPads are neck and neck with desktop cpu performance.
So are you saying there are no subscription apps on Android/windows? Because it seems to me that the big subscription apps Netflix Spotify windows 360 adobe are subscription what ever platform you look at.
Right, I'm not sure what you're on about. I'm not referring to Netflix, Spotify, etc. I'm talking about how the article mentioned "Apple is quietly building one of the biggest subscription businesses in the world" and how the future of music creation on iOS may be bleak. I'm willing to pay monthly for my services such as cloud storage and content access. Heck, Auxy could even be seen as a service due to new usable monthly content. However, by the look of it, Apple wants developers to charge subscriptions for EVERYTHING, whether additional services are provided with each app or not, and for developers to think of the apps themselves as services, not as tools, just so Apple can become a "Fortune 50 company". THAT is greed.
LOL, I know right? Why are Androids lagging so far behind? Even the latest expensive Samsung tablets struggle to be as powerful as any iOS device.
The newest iPads, even the "budget 2018" one I hold in my hands, are more powerful than my 2011 Windows 7 PC used to be.
Mmhhhh....the iPad Pro 10.5“ was still lightyears away from my 5 years old macbook.
Maybe biggest problem is iOS itself and RAM limitations.
Even if they double the cpu again in fall it‘s not quite there if iOS stays so crippled for pro tools.
I’m on about the article you posted where it says
‘the majority of Apple's subscription revenue doesn't appear to come from apps that are specific tools — instead, it's coming from big content businesses like Pandora, HBO, and Netflix.’
and also wondering why Apple should go f*ck itself unless it’s the only platform offering subscriptions.
And I'm trying to figure out what your actual point is besides trying to provoke a confrontation with me by singling me out when others here have shared their own similar reactions.
Been tempted by some desktop models Roland Cloud, Splice, etc. I can’t always get internet sometimes for long periods working at sea so that puts me off as you need internet to use. Was gonna buy Captain Chords and found out it has a internet limitation which is a pity.
I don’t have ANY music or movie subscriptions... none. In fact, I don’t buy music from the iTunes store either. I don’t use Spotify, etc... I also don’t rent my TV or furniture.
I really think Apple and developers are playing with fire on this one. There are many alternatives to iOS. I’ve been holding off and waiting to see what the new ipads are like, but honestly, a Surface Pro is looking more and more appealing (especially if they are pushing for a subscription base experience). And this coming from a guy who hasn’t used a PC or Windows since the mid 90’s, and I’ve never used a PC for music.
Again, I really enjoy a lot of iOS music apps and the developers are doing an INCREDIBLE job with the technology. You wanna bump up the cost of apps a little?.... fair enough. I think most are pretty cheap currently, but I’m not a cash cow to be milked. Ain’t happening. I’ve got a studio full of hardware that’s paid for.
My actual points are - I don’t really know the situation re subscriptions on windows and android and I’m seeking confirmation from you that it’s significantly different as judging by your comment you seem to believe it is.
I also don’t see the point in all the hating on Apple that seems to be popular round here at the moment.