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Why are there so few actual compositions done fully on an ipad?

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  • @bedheadproducer said:
    motorcycle [accident] resulting in the amputation of my left foot.

    HUMOR_ON

    I thought I could hear a "right foot tapper" in your playing vs pianists that have to tap the left.

    HUMOR_OFF

    That's is an awesome intro/biography opening dozens of connections to the folks here.

    Like:

    I'll bet you have an awesome assortment of gear and guitars.

    Hometowns/Driving:

    I'm a life-long Californian myself with the last 30 years working in the Bay Area while living in the Central Valley: I'm a $1M mile commuter and also had a head on and almost severed my spine with a deadman's fracture like Christopher Reeves (Superman) but mine held and I just have a Tintanium brace between C1-C2. I have long considered myself to be the luckiest person I know.

    You are just old enough to be my son... kid.

  • edited September 2018

    I don't use an iPad at all (that may change) - I use my iPhone, and then a PC for the most part these days. I generally create everything in Gadget (but have Xequence etc. on my phone but not used much... yet) and then export all the tracks and mix/master on my PC, where I have a lot more effects and tools available. I don't create many songs - it takes me a long, long time to finish one with life as it is and just my general lack of comparative talent overall. But it's fun!

    I first really heard industrial/ebm music in 7th grade back in the 80s. Then I wanted to do it, but had no instruments and no skill. But not too long after that I got started on my dad's 486DX2 Gateway computer with a DOS tracker (ScreamTracker3 and then FastTracker2) and samples found from other people using it, or games, or sampled from CDs I'd make. I still have those files :smiley: - most of them suck terribly, but 2 or 3 are still OK and I can definitely hear "my sound" in them. I took a break off from music for many, many years as the tech changed and I got busy with working a career, etc. I regret that I didn't keep going. I toyed with it, but just didn't have the pieces I needed to create music again, the time, the skill, or, perhaps most of all, the confidence. Hell, I didn't share with anyone outside my hard drive until within the last year, and I'm in my 40s now!

    But I keep pushing myself, regardless of how it turns out. I've learned a lot about mixing through books and videos. I went back and made a song on the PC only because I needed a break from the iPhone. And now I'm trying to finish a song that I create mostly on the iPhone in Gadget, but then mix in guitars and horns (some samples, some ROMpler) on the PC - which is a very different sound for me and is kinda funky. Hope to share it this month, here. I don't actually know how to play any "real" instrument, so it's all just guesswork.... B)

  • @McDtracy said:

    That's some cool Joe Satriani style shredding. Very catchy instrumental groove.

    It interesting to see the diversity in the work I've heard so far from Beethoven to Joe Satriani influences. Good music is timeless.

    Thank you very much. I started out thinking I was just a guitarist and that was good enough. Along the way I actually became a musician...lol. Guitar is just the form of expression my fingers take to the most easily..but I love keyboards....such a vast palette....and not just keys, but the instruments a keys can emulate, like classical instruments.

  • @chandroji said:

    @bedheadproducer said:
    thanks for the encouragement and kind words. Here is my first ever all ipad composition and recording.
    I apologize if it sucks compared to some of my other works...I'm just getting me feet wet.
    the little shredding section in the middle is not actually guitar, it's my improvising on Geoshred, with no qunatization.

    Wow! Absolutely brilliant work! Love it! Especially the Guitars! 🎶👍
    That an outstanding iPad track!

    Im very happy you joined this exceptional forum. Feel very welcome @bedheadproducer !

    Thanks a lot for giving us an insight of your musical way up to know. Hope you will feel very fine here. I think that’s an amazing community here! 😊

    Many greetings from Berlin / Germany!

    Thank you very much. I was born if Frankfurt, Germany, btw. English was the second language I learned to speak.
    I used to eat Nutella before any American knew what that even was ;)

  • @u0421793 said:
    @bedheadproducer – I read it all, every word.

    You’re about our age, more or less, and it’s always interesting how we find ourselves here via an iPad or iPhone and some synth apps at this time of our lives.

    In photography there’s a similar thing, the youngsters have all the big impressive gear, loads of it, but people our age don’t want to be carrying such a big and heavy bag up a hill, we home in on little rangefinder film cameras and one lens, maybe two (neither of which are zooms). It’s just sensible, really.

    thanks for reading my story. I know at our age our time is even more valuable. I feel the same way in performing...I don't want to carry any big speakers or amps every again...lol.

  • @McDtracy said:

    @bedheadproducer said:
    motorcycle [accident] resulting in the amputation of my left foot.

    HUMOR_ON

    I thought I could hear a "right foot tapper" in your playing vs pianists that have to tap the left.

    HUMOR_OFF

    That's is an awesome intro/biography opening dozens of connections to the folks here.

    Like:

    I'll bet you have an awesome assortment of gear and guitars.

    Hometowns/Driving:

    I'm a life-long Californian myself with the last 30 years working in the Bay Area while living in the Central Valley: I'm a $1M mile commuter and also had a head on and almost severed my spine with a deadman's fracture like Christopher Reeves (Superman) but mine held and I just have a Tintanium brace between C1-C2. I have long considered myself to be the luckiest person I know.

    You are just old enough to be my son... kid.

    Lol, oddly enough, we are all kids, no matter what our aging bodies try to tell us right? I mean, the mirror lies....I'm quite sure I'm 27 and just woke up from a coma, or something. I used to think I would grow up one day, shed my inner child, like my teachers and coaches. Little did I know they hid the fact they were just big kids themselves. Now my inner child has an adult holding it's hand, one that's more careful and experienced and luckily no too cynical yet. I feel your pain man....one thing physical suffering taught me, was compassion for others as we all, sooner or later, have our own physical and sometimes mental cross to bare, that is individual and our suffering can't really be shared. It's a private burden that hopefully makes us appreciate the little things and be more compassionate and kind.

  • @McDtracy said:

    @Spidericemidas said:
    Sounds like I will have to go check out this other "Spidericemidas" on iTunes then! Hehe.

    My mistake! I scrolled to the top of the page to get the handle of the OP and did not realize I was on Page 2.

    The OP is @bedheadproducer and page #2 shows @Spidericemidas.

    Sorry for the confusion. I generally have 1 defect per 2-3 comments so consider the source. For example:

    "Today's Labor Day... get SynthMaster One for $25".

    ERRATA: Labor in the US is tomorrow and SMO is on sale for $11.99 US. @ERRATA would make a nice handle or maybe @Eff-Up

    Ah, no worries at all, a very minor error, that's nothing! Here's a bigger one for you!...
    I'm relatively new to this forum never having used any other forum before. I posted a comment once that didn't appear right away as a message popped up that it would be posted after moderator approval, or something. I'd never seen that before, and my message still hadn't appeared later that day.
    A few more tries and it still hadn't appeared the next day. Another few attempts and it still wouldn't appear. I thought it was a bug or just a bad connection at my end (there was nothing offensive in my comment at all), so, you know how it is when impatience kicks in....click send...click send....by the third day I logged in and found to my horror that my comment was suddenly listed about twenty times, much to my embarrassment, and amusement to all others in the thread!
    I thought, if my comments were pending moderator approval, then someone must be looking at them, and common sense would have seen a long queue of unnecessary identical comments pending approval, and one would realise that only one of these identical comments would need to be approved and posted. But no. All twenty-odd identical comments were allowed to flood the thread! So much for moderating, then! It pretty much ruined the thread, but I guess it gave others including, unfortunately, some of my most respected developers a good laugh and a chance to have some fun taking the p**s out of my repeated comment. A valuable lesson was learned by me that day. LOL.

  • I remember talking to a guy wanting to make whole symphony only on ukuleles. I admired his vision mostly because it was a difficult journey to make. I also found it hard to understand why he imposed this limitation on himself. I guess he just loved the sound.

  • edited September 2018

    @supadom said:
    I remember talking to a guy wanting to make whole symphony only on ukuleles. I admired his vision mostly because it was a difficult journey to make. I also found it hard to understand why he imposed this limitation on himself. I guess he just loved the sound.

    Doing this and limiting yourself is the best way to get to know your instruments, no matter if they're acoustic or electronic. Even if you never arrive at playing a symphony that will entertain a large audience.

  • edited September 2018

    I dont see completing a full track in iOS ever. But thats not because I think it cant be done. I am absolutely sure a pro quality recording could be, even without the good examples above.

    I started in studios on a damn reel to reel 8 track, thru ADAT..and all. And current iPads have power like early computers after that. The sound quality is there. So with track bouncing as you go, absolutely.

    But, here why I wont do it, I can use the iPad for the parts it is convenient to work up (sequencing, drums, synths) and export them to an environment where I dont have to bounce ever, have easier time routing, editing, and adding automation and have a wider choice of plugins.

    And as it is more and more convenient on iOS, it will just be more powerful on laptop/desktop.

    But im loving it. Working out beats and patches on the subway is really increasing my production speed.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @supadom said:
    I remember talking to a guy wanting to make whole symphony only on ukuleles. I admired his vision mostly because it was a difficult journey to make. I also found it hard to understand why he imposed this limitation on himself. I guess he just loved the sound.

    Doing this and limiting yourself is the best way to get to know your instruments, no matter if they're acoustic or electronic. Even if you never arrive at playing a symphony that will entertain a large audience.

    Sounds like exactly where most religions’ flaws are at. Why does one have to suffer to go to heaven? Surely enjoying the most of what life has to offer will make gods happy?

    Why suffer mixing on a small touch screen on IOS if way more complete and mature tools are available on a pc or mac.

    The limitation for creativity thing also seems like an old wives’ tale. Serving time in prison will get you into reading and working out but surely cannot compete with freedom.

  • @supadom said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @supadom said:
    I remember talking to a guy wanting to make whole symphony only on ukuleles. I admired his vision mostly because it was a difficult journey to make. I also found it hard to understand why he imposed this limitation on himself. I guess he just loved the sound.

    Doing this and limiting yourself is the best way to get to know your instruments, no matter if they're acoustic or electronic. Even if you never arrive at playing a symphony that will entertain a large audience.

    Sounds like exactly where most religions’ flaws are at. Why does one have to suffer to go to heaven? Surely enjoying the most of what life has to offer will make gods happy?

    Why suffer mixing on a small touch screen on IOS if way more complete and mature tools are available on a pc or mac.

    The limitation for creativity thing also seems like an old wives’ tale. Serving time in prison will get you into reading and working out but surely cannot compete with freedom.

    Thanks, I always wondered what these said...

  • @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @supadom said:
    I remember talking to a guy wanting to make whole symphony only on ukuleles. I admired his vision mostly because it was a difficult journey to make. I also found it hard to understand why he imposed this limitation on himself. I guess he just loved the sound.

    Doing this and limiting yourself is the best way to get to know your instruments, no matter if they're acoustic or electronic. Even if you never arrive at playing a symphony that will entertain a large audience.

    Sounds like exactly where most religions’ flaws are at. Why does one have to suffer to go to heaven? Surely enjoying the most of what life has to offer will make gods happy?

    Why suffer mixing on a small touch screen on IOS if way more complete and mature tools are available on a pc or mac.

    The limitation for creativity thing also seems like an old wives’ tale. Serving time in prison will get you into reading and working out but surely cannot compete with freedom.

    Thanks, I always wondered what these said...

    They say:
    MAKE MUSIC WITH TOOLS THAT MAKE YOU CREATIVE AND FULFILLED NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE.

  • @supadom said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @supadom said:
    I remember talking to a guy wanting to make whole symphony only on ukuleles. I admired his vision mostly because it was a difficult journey to make. I also found it hard to understand why he imposed this limitation on himself. I guess he just loved the sound.

    Doing this and limiting yourself is the best way to get to know your instruments, no matter if they're acoustic or electronic. Even if you never arrive at playing a symphony that will entertain a large audience.

    Sounds like exactly where most religions’ flaws are at. Why does one have to suffer to go to heaven? Surely enjoying the most of what life has to offer will make gods happy?

    Why suffer mixing on a small touch screen on IOS if way more complete and mature tools are available on a pc or mac.

    The limitation for creativity thing also seems like an old wives’ tale. Serving time in prison will get you into reading and working out but surely cannot compete with freedom.

    Thanks, I always wondered what these said...

    They say:
    MAKE MUSIC WITH TOOLS THAT MAKE YOU CREATIVE AND FULFILLED NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE.

    Where can I send you donations?

  • @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @supadom said:
    I remember talking to a guy wanting to make whole symphony only on ukuleles. I admired his vision mostly because it was a difficult journey to make. I also found it hard to understand why he imposed this limitation on himself. I guess he just loved the sound.

    Doing this and limiting yourself is the best way to get to know your instruments, no matter if they're acoustic or electronic. Even if you never arrive at playing a symphony that will entertain a large audience.

    Sounds like exactly where most religions’ flaws are at. Why does one have to suffer to go to heaven? Surely enjoying the most of what life has to offer will make gods happy?

    Why suffer mixing on a small touch screen on IOS if way more complete and mature tools are available on a pc or mac.

    The limitation for creativity thing also seems like an old wives’ tale. Serving time in prison will get you into reading and working out but surely cannot compete with freedom.

    Thanks, I always wondered what these said...

    They say:
    MAKE MUSIC WITH TOOLS THAT MAKE YOU CREATIVE AND FULFILLED NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE.

    Where can I send you donations?

    Just give them to the next homeless person you meet in the street. If they're busking, all the better.

  • @supadom said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @supadom said:
    I remember talking to a guy wanting to make whole symphony only on ukuleles. I admired his vision mostly because it was a difficult journey to make. I also found it hard to understand why he imposed this limitation on himself. I guess he just loved the sound.

    Doing this and limiting yourself is the best way to get to know your instruments, no matter if they're acoustic or electronic. Even if you never arrive at playing a symphony that will entertain a large audience.

    Sounds like exactly where most religions’ flaws are at. Why does one have to suffer to go to heaven? Surely enjoying the most of what life has to offer will make gods happy?

    Why suffer mixing on a small touch screen on IOS if way more complete and mature tools are available on a pc or mac.

    The limitation for creativity thing also seems like an old wives’ tale. Serving time in prison will get you into reading and working out but surely cannot compete with freedom.

    Thanks, I always wondered what these said...

    They say:
    MAKE MUSIC WITH TOOLS THAT MAKE YOU CREATIVE AND FULFILLED NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE.

    They actually say, " If you think this is funny check out The Producers.... Don't be a sissy, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party!"

    I respectfully don't agree @supadom. If you want limits, great. There is no suffering. If you don't want limits, great. My great late jazz teacher, Connie Crothers, spent an entire year improvising on just one tune, Melancholy Baby. She loved it and said it did her a world of good. I improvise symphonic stuff, many would say I have gone beyond the limits of what a symphony might be.
    One is just as good as the other, IMO, if it is fun or creatively satisfying. We certainly agree there.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2018

    @supadom said:
    Why suffer mixing on a small touch screen on IOS if way more complete and mature tools are available on a pc or mac.

    Why suffer transferring everything to a PC or Mac, and then chaining yourself to a desktop (like you are all day at work), when all the tools to do it good enough for your own purposes are on your iPad, while sipping a margarita on the back porch? B)

    The limitation for creativity thing also seems like an old wives’ tale. Serving time in prison will get you into reading and working out but surely cannot compete with freedom.

    Totally disagree on this point.

    a) Too many options can lead to focus on the sounds or tools over the piece.
    b) Limits can force lazy parts of the brain to kick in and come up with things they normally wouldn’t.
    3) Limits can hone other skills. For instance, forcing oneself to improvise on just two non-adjacent guitar strings is a often used practice strategy.

    I could probably think of many others but I tied half my brain behind my back for practice.

  • @Slava said:
    I join previous speakers. But I want to note that the correction of the vocals remains a weak point in the IOS so far. Like giant ultra-realistic sampling instruments.

    @bedheadproducer said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @bedheadproducer , I was hoping you would respond to all this and you did. It seems you are now a true blue iOS devotee and as such will have to absorb some slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, like your friend and the music maker. Like most of us your dreams for iOS are a bit grandiose. Hopefully they will be realized in the near future, but it is a question mark after all.

    Your enthusiasm and goodwill are noted and I hope you realize that the evenhanded and, for the most part, fair minded , thoughtful and enlightening responses you have gotten to your slightly controversial post, are representative of the quality characters who haunt this community. It is a beautiful port in a sometimes stormy sea, and shipwrecked sailors are always welcomed and cared for. Welcome aboard! Why don't you post an iOS creation here. It would round things up quite nicely. And don't be concerned about stirring the pot. All part of the fun!

    ok,
    thanks for the encouragement and kind words. Here is my first ever all ipad composition and recording.
    I apologize if it sucks compared to some of my other works...I'm just getting me feet wet.
    the little shredding section in the middle is not actually guitar, it's my improvising on Geoshred, with no qunatization.

    This has to be the best Jam I heard anywhere all year, and not even headphones... I was listening on my iPhone X speakers... geez!!

  • @wim @LinearLineman l actually never use desktop or laptop to make music but that is because I focus on live music.

    I'm just taking a virtual and philosophical stance.

    @LinearLineman forget the suffering bit, that was of course an exaggeration. It is all subjective and individual dependent.

    I do stand by this though:

    MAKE MUSIC WITH TOOLS THAT MAKE YOU CREATIVE AND FULFILLED NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE.

    :)

  • @supadom agreed!

    @realdawei and here I thought you were eight years old... the youngest member on the forum! Well, you're a good looking adult so I guess that works, too.👍

  • *shameless plug

    This was fully written, recorded, and mixed on an iPad...(even the cover art).

    https://cooloutmusic.com/album/beach-trip-beats

  • @wim said:

    @supadom said:
    Why suffer mixing on a small touch screen on IOS if way more complete and mature tools are available on a pc or mac.

    Why suffer transferring everything to a PC or Mac, and then chaining yourself to a desktop (like you are all day at work), when all the tools to do it good enough for your own purposes are on your iPad, while sipping a margarita on the back porch? B)

    The limitation for creativity thing also seems like an old wives’ tale. Serving time in prison will get you into reading and working out but surely cannot compete with freedom.

    Totally disagree on this point.

    a) Too many options can lead to focus on the sounds or tools over the piece.
    b) Limits can force lazy parts of the brain to kick in and come up with things they normally wouldn’t.
    3) Limits can hone other skills. For instance, forcing oneself to improvise on just two non-adjacent guitar strings is a often used practice strategy.

    I could probably think of many others but I tied half my brain behind my back for practice.

    I totally agree that forcing oneself to have limits, boundaries etc, is often how to get stuff done in the first place. I'm very prolific because I often sit down with a million possibilities but force myself to pick only a few and then actually finish. It's not the medium that is responsible for non productivity, but rather the individual.
    If the outcome isn't always desirable, that's just the breaks. Limiting oneself and creating frameworks for productivity is a good thing. I remember recording on 4 track tape recorders. I could have pissed and moaned that I only have 4 tracks, but I wrote a ton of songs and made the best of it. IOS is way more capable than that. Yes, a PC has a lot more options, bigger real estate, more horsepower but all the fundamentals you need to actually write and record are there. Some people need a million kitchen gadgets to cook. Others need a pan and a wooden spoon.

    If you can't record with just the basics and do well and write good songs, then you have no business automating 60 tracks of audio with all real time plugins.....in my opinion.

  • BTW, I took that korg track I made and improved a distorted guitar part over it...5 minutes, one take, no punch ins.


    Let me know what you think....one more example of creating soley on an IPAD, using Cubasis, Korg Electribe Wav, Bias Jamup and Mercurial Amp1.

  • Great video, Marc. Inspiring music and playing! This type of music always feels so strong and positive. Rock and roll. When that famous radio guy invented the term ( forget his name... was it the payola guy?) could he have imagined what it would come to mean? So American ( well, we don't own it but we made it). We need that these days in the good ole US of A. And, now coming to you on iPad Pro with 512 gb! @universe I did read it somewhere, only it was in the future, I guess ( see new iPad Pro thread)

  • edited September 2018

    @LinearLineman said:
    Great video, Marc. Inspiring music and playing! This type of music always feels so strong and positive. Rock and roll. When that famous radio guy invented the term ( forget his name... was it the payola guy?) could he have imagined what it would come to mean?

    Some DJ, I forget. But interestingly was a slang term for uhh ...adult stuff before then.

  • @Multicellular said:

    Some DJ, I forget.

    Wikipedia "Rock and Roll" page explains:

    "In 1951, Cleveland, Ohio disc jockey Alan Freed began playing this music style while popularizing the phrase to describe it."

    He used to actually jockey vinyl disc's and wasn't really a DJ.
    Oh wait, DJ's used to use turntables (some still do). Time marches on.

  • A friend of mine that is a historian of the blues and jazz has said that Freed is incorrectly given credit for coining "rock and roll". He says that it was a phrase used by African Americans long before Freed used it. Freed is the person from whom white people learned the term and hence he somehow got credit for inventing it -- kind of the way that Columbus "discovered" a continent that had been populated for thousands of years.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    A friend of mine that is a historian of the blues and jazz has said that Freed is incorrectly given credit for coining "rock and roll". He says that it was a phrase used by African Americans long before Freed used it. Freed is the person from whom white people learned the term and hence he somehow got credit for inventing it -- kind of the way that Columbus "discovered" a continent that had been populated for thousands of years.

    Basically, Freed gets credit for getting Columbus white kids to appreciate the qualities of current Rhythm and Blues which was
    creating the "Rock n Roll" variation.

    This pattern has been repeated dozens of times in US Culture and exported around the world.

    Black (African American) popular music gets heard and appreciated/appropriated by White Artists and made popular for a mass audience:

    Spirituals
    Ragtime
    Jazz
    Swing Bands
    Modern Jazz "Bebop"
    Rock and Roll
    Soul
    Hip hop

  • edited September 2018

    Makes sense. I only remembered that small etymological portion of it.

  • @bedheadproducer check out the iOS Logic rumors thread I just posted. Now you will get a taste of real audiob.us action! The pot is just starting to simmer. For me it is great fun. I hope no one takes it too seriously. We all want the best for iOS.

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