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Gadget effects= weak

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  • edited September 2018

    @mindscaper said:
    It’s what you do with them that counts- put the hours in

    That's the key!

  • @mindscaper said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    @mindscaper, for "basic" and "mainstream" dancefloor, it might be OK. But for really complex genres, like melodic / progressive / deep trance, its routing and effects are just too inflexible.

    Anyway,.. if you have any links to decent non gadget trance especially the deeper progressive side ( like what Sasha would play) please link

    The Naturalbornchiller tracks here:

    https://m.soundcloud.com/mind_in_motion

    Have all been made using NanoStudio... (Alpha was incidentally made in Gadget -- it's the Xequence demo song :))

    Not extremely deep tracks though and NanoStudio had similar limitations... nowadays I'm using SunVox as the sound, mixing and mastering environment... I just need to find the time to finish a track ;)

  • @mindscaper said:

    @OscarSouth said:

    @mindscaper said:
    Until NS2 comes I don’t see anything other than GarageBand that is a suitable self contained eco system for credible dance music to be fair

    Please post auxy examples :)

    My favourite Auxy creation so far.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9rz7a6q7xzvbkzh/sharingd - GrandFinale - 0911182305-trimmed(1)-converted.m4a

    The full version will be released soon. :mrgreen:

  • @u0421793 said:

    @mindscaper said:

    Gadget is good for people who want to make electronica for the dance floor

    Here’s a track of mine, entirely Gadget (except for the vocals) and is as far from the dance floor as I could imagine – it’s just straight pop (I think).

    Mere Unfound

    Very nice!
    Back to the 80s :smiley:

  • @rs2000 said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @mindscaper said:

    Gadget is good for people who want to make electronica for the dance floor

    Here’s a track of mine, entirely Gadget (except for the vocals) and is as far from the dance floor as I could imagine – it’s just straight pop (I think).

    Mere Unfound

    Very nice!
    Back to the 80s :smiley:

    Thanks! Yes, that’s very much the decade that informed the project (and 70s as well).

  • @AudioGus said:
    But ‘long press’... ....ugh

    Can you give an example? I'm struggling to remember any time I've had to long press in Auria. In GarageBand though...

  • edited September 2018

    @richardyot said:

    @AudioGus said:
    But ‘long press’... ....ugh

    Can you give an example? I'm struggling to remember any time I've had to long press in Auria. In GarageBand though...

    It is required for the five point editing on audio clips (adjusting volume, length, fades). I do a ton of it on desktop. Far more applicable to audio choppers/mashers doing micro edits, like me than for real musicians.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @richardyot said:

    @AudioGus said:
    But ‘long press’... ....ugh

    Can you give an example? I'm struggling to remember any time I've had to long press in Auria. In GarageBand though...

    It is required for the five point editing on audio clips (adjusting volume, length, fades). I do a ton of it on desktop. Far more applicable to audio choppers/mashers doing micro edits, like me than for real musicians.

    I dunno, that stuff is actually really quick in Auria: you grab the handle and sure, there is a tiny pause (to ensure that you don't accidentally move something), but it's still very fluid. I do a fair amount of audio editing in Auria and I don't find it frustrating. On the desktop it's no quicker IMO. Plus, you can trim just with the playhead if you prefer.

  • @richardyot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @richardyot said:

    @AudioGus said:
    But ‘long press’... ....ugh

    Can you give an example? I'm struggling to remember any time I've had to long press in Auria. In GarageBand though...

    It is required for the five point editing on audio clips (adjusting volume, length, fades). I do a ton of it on desktop. Far more applicable to audio choppers/mashers doing micro edits, like me than for real musicians.

    I dunno, that stuff is actually really quick in Auria: you grab the handle and sure, there is a tiny pause (to ensure that you don't accidentally move something), but it's still very fluid. I do a fair amount of audio editing in Auria and I don't find it frustrating. On the desktop it's no quicker IMO. Plus, you can trim just with the playhead if you prefer.

    You probably are not doing micro edits and work with larger chunks of audio.

  • edited September 2018

    @richardyot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @richardyot said:

    @AudioGus said:
    But ‘long press’... ....ugh

    Can you give an example? I'm struggling to remember any time I've had to long press in Auria. In GarageBand though...

    It is required for the five point editing on audio clips (adjusting volume, length, fades). I do a ton of it on desktop. Far more applicable to audio choppers/mashers doing micro edits, like me than for real musicians.

    I dunno, that stuff is actually really quick in Auria: you grab the handle and sure, there is a tiny pause (to ensure that you don't accidentally move something), but it's still very fluid. I do a fair amount of audio editing in Auria and I don't find it frustrating. On the desktop it's no quicker IMO. Plus, you can trim just with the playhead if you prefer.

    I am talking about stuff that ends up looking like this...

    Most of those small slices are arrived at by adjusting left and right rangers, slicing, fading etc. Mouse and keyboard is the best, but even Cubasis is much better than Auria. Just a shame Cubasis does not adjust the waveform visualy like Auria or allow clips to be boosted above 0.0 db of the original again like Auria. Also, nothing on iOS lets you adjust eq and pan per slice. But anyway, point being, ‘long press bad, raaah!’

  • @AudioGus you need AutoTune and a compressor 😂😉

  • @SevenSystems said:
    @AudioGus you need AutoTune and a compressor 😂😉

    Hehe, that is for real musicians.

  • @AudioGus my vocal tracks look just like that - I trim away all the silence and I adjust the gain of each section individually with the gain slider on the wav segments. And I usually have 6 to 8 vocal tracks in a song, so I do have to do a fair amount of micro editing. The very slight pause doesn't bother me, I never really even thought about it until this conversation happened (I checked back in Auria to see how long the pause was, because I couldn't remember). I understand it irritates you, and that's perfectly legitimate, but there must be some personal preference there because it doesn't bother me at all.

  • edited September 2018

    @richardyot said:
    @AudioGus my vocal tracks look just like that - I trim away all the silence and I adjust the gain of each section individually with the gain slider on the wav segments. And I usually have 6 to 8 vocal tracks in a song, so I do have to do a fair amount of micro editing. The very slight pause doesn't bother me, I never really even thought about it until this conversation happened (I checked back in Auria to see how long the pause was, because I couldn't remember). I understand it irritates you, and that's perfectly legitimate, but there must be some personal preference there because it doesn't bother me at all.

    I wonder if we are experiencing different pause times...

  • @AudioGus said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    @AudioGus you need AutoTune and a compressor 😂😉

    Hehe, that is for real musicians.

    Haha I know... back when I still did audio recording and editing, my arrangements (in Logic Audio Platinum 5.5.1 on Windows!) looked exactly like that despite AutoTune, Compressor, De-Esser and Gate! Damn perfectionism 😎

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    @AudioGus you need AutoTune and a compressor 😂😉

    Hehe, that is for real musicians.

    Haha I know... back when I still did audio recording and editing, my arrangements (in Logic Audio Platinum 5.5.1 on Windows!) looked exactly like that despite AutoTune, Compressor, De-Esser and Gate! Damn perfectionism 😎

    These aren't vocal tracks or real instruments though. More like random found sounds. Farm animals cavorting, breaking dishes etc.

  • You know, 'experimental' ie. 'Intentionaly' bad. ;)

  • @richardyot said:
    @AudioGus my vocal tracks look just like that - I trim away all the silence and I adjust the gain of each section individually with the gain slider on the wav segments. And I usually have 6 to 8 vocal tracks in a song, so I do have to do a fair amount of micro editing. The very slight pause doesn't bother me, I never really even thought about it until this conversation happened (I checked back in Auria to see how long the pause was, because I couldn't remember). I understand it irritates you, and that's perfectly legitimate, but there must be some personal preference there because it doesn't bother me at all.

    I also would like to add that editing is my primary use case for Auria Pro and I do a lot of sample fine-tuning there. The minor delay to 'grab' an element is a positive to me rather than a negative -- it feels precise, fluid and I'm unlikely to move something by mistake. Automatic zero snapping is also an essential feature here for me. I've never even thought about it until now as it functions exactly how I'd like/expect it to.

  • Big AURIA clearly co-opted you people.

  • It's a cult, you know that.

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    @AudioGus you need AutoTune and a compressor 😂😉

    Hehe, that is for real musicians.

    Haha I know... back when I still did audio recording and editing, my arrangements (in Logic Audio Platinum 5.5.1 on Windows!) looked exactly like that despite AutoTune, Compressor, De-Esser and Gate! Damn perfectionism 😎

    I used to edit in the same way, but I did a lot of sessions as a session bassist with one specific producer (Russell Cottier -- he has a bunch of production videos on youtube if you want to hear him speak) who had a very 'natural' approach to tracking, editing and mixing. Was kind of jarring at first and as a recording artist felt a bit 'exposed', however the tracks he produced are by far some of the best I've heard. Because he was mainly working with musicians he knew and trusted on those sessions, a lot of the mix was 'played in' and minimal post-processing was required.

    Have a listen to this album:
    https://open.spotify.com/album/2Joai86dsbapzyRIIKfKtS?si=ghRvKsAkRHiTOgM2Wk6BPg

    Everything apart from the lead vocal (7 piece band) was recorded live in studio, together, in one take per track (instruments independently mic'd). That's one of my favourite productions EVER and very little was changed from the live tracking sessions. Tell you what though -- standing in an isolated stone room (Parr St Studio One: TREBLE!!) with bowed double bass in hand and the band coming through the cans (on an expensive session) is definitely a test of studio nerves!

    Those experiences very strongly informed and influenced my personal tracking/editing/mixing style.

  • edited September 2018

    @OscarSouth said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    @AudioGus you need AutoTune and a compressor 😂😉

    Hehe, that is for real musicians.

    Haha I know... back when I still did audio recording and editing, my arrangements (in Logic Audio Platinum 5.5.1 on Windows!) looked exactly like that despite AutoTune, Compressor, De-Esser and Gate! Damn perfectionism 😎

    I used to edit in the same way, but I did a lot of sessions as a session bassist with one specific producer (Russell Cottier -- he has a bunch of production videos on youtube if you want to hear him speak) who had a very 'natural' approach to tracking, editing and mixing. Was kind of jarring at first and as a recording artist felt a bit 'exposed', however the tracks he produced are by far some of the best I've heard. Because he was mainly working with musicians he knew and trusted on those sessions, a lot of the mix was 'played in' and minimal post-processing was required.

    Have a listen to this album:
    https://open.spotify.com/album/2Joai86dsbapzyRIIKfKtS?si=ghRvKsAkRHiTOgM2Wk6BPg

    Everything apart from the lead vocal (7 piece band) was recorded live in studio, together, in one take per track (instruments independently mic'd). That's one of my favourite productions EVER and very little was changed from the live tracking sessions. Tell you what though -- standing in an isolated stone room (Parr St Studio One: TREBLE!!) with bowed double bass in hand and the band coming through the cans (on an expensive session) is definitely a test of studio nerves!

    Those experiences very strongly informed and influenced my personal tracking/editing/mixing style.

    Yah recording a musical performance is a whole different thing. I am talking audio collage of things that are fighting to even be musical instruments (sheep screwing, hornets farting etc). Foley DJing...?

  • @mindscaper said:

    Until NS2 comes I don’t see anything other than GarageBand that is a suitable self contained eco system for credible dance music to be fair

    Caustic

    It's a lot more flexible than Gadget and it doesn't eat your battery in an hour

  • Biggest gadget villain to me, the sequencer...it doesn’t allow for anything starting before the one...like all vocals and some leads...annoys the hell out of me. Nothing like going to one row and inputting the start vox, then going to the next to record the next part...blahhhhhhhh

    Next villain the effects... I turn them all off before rendering stems to go into my other apps/programs

    The master reverb never gets used as it is not good at all

    The master limiters (both of them) are horrendous, plus the deemax covers the first two tracks and it doesn’t go away unless you turn it off...why?

    They should have added Rosario in the ifx...it would get used, I never use it because it’s audio track only...

    I use gadget to make stems for better programs with more flexibility.

  • @MrSmileZ said:
    plus the deemax covers the first two tracks and it doesn’t go away unless you turn it off...why?

    Because, how would anyone survive without admiring the "phat" sports-car look of it all the time? :)

  • Hahaha I know right...

  • @ZlatansEgo said:

    @mindscaper said:

    Until NS2 comes I don’t see anything other than GarageBand that is a suitable self contained eco system for credible dance music to be fair

    Caustic

    It's a lot more flexible than Gadget and it doesn't eat your battery in an hour

    Caustic needs a UI designer so bad. It looks like a super old app... rebirth looks more modern...
    And caustic feels like abandonware? Is the dev still onboard with it? It’s been a quiet place over there.
    I know you will probably argue that it’s use outweighs its design...but I will still be more attracted to pretty women after you are through.

  • At least caustic is Reason on iOS...i’ll Give it that much

  • edited September 2018

    The UI is skinnable so either download a skin or make one if you're unhappy with the current one
    If a pretty UI is more important than usability and cpu efficiency, well i'm not sure we'll ever agree there. Note that i'm not talking about UX here. The UI, while not the prettiest thing around, is perfectly functional

    Meanwhile it has a modular synth, a fantastic PCM, a vocoder and lots of other stuff that's missing in Gadget so my point still stands - It's definitely a very capable self sustained app for credible dance music (what ever that is)

    As far as it being abandonware - what's this thing people have on ios about how long it's been since an update? It works brilliantly on ios 12. There are no glaring bugs i'm aware of. What more is it you need? Do you refuse to use old software on desktop simply because it's old? Even if it still works as expected? It makes no sense to me

  • @ZlatansEgo said:
    The UI is skinnable so either download a skin or make one if you're unhappy with the current one
    If a pretty UI is more important than usability and cpu efficiency, well i'm not sure we'll ever agree there. Note that i'm not talking about UX here. The UI, while not the prettiest thing around, is perfectly functional

    Meanwhile it has a modular synth, a fantastic PCM, a vocoder and lots of other stuff that's missing in Gadget so my point still stands - It's definitely a very capable self sustained app for credible dance music (what ever that is)

    As far as it being abandonware - what's this thing people have on ios about how long it's been since an update? It works brilliantly on ios 12. There are no glaring bugs i'm aware of. What more is it you need? Do you refuse to use old software on desktop simply because it's old? Even if it still works as expected? It makes no sense to me

    U are correct, it is skinnable...I’ve tried the skins, yuck. I don’t design skins, it’s not my skill set. I am a musician not a graphic art designer...and even though it is skinnable it will still be locked into the design it is currently in...so it really doesn’t solve my UI issue.

    It can make dance music...you are correct...

    I do refuse to use software with ugly interfaces as it doesn’t inspire me, it just glares at me as a very ugly thing.
    I know at least 10 people who feel the same, and erased it.

    Different transient ischemic attacks for different folks I guess.

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