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  • @OscarSouth said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    @AudioGus you need AutoTune and a compressor 😂😉

    Hehe, that is for real musicians.

    Haha I know... back when I still did audio recording and editing, my arrangements (in Logic Audio Platinum 5.5.1 on Windows!) looked exactly like that despite AutoTune, Compressor, De-Esser and Gate! Damn perfectionism 😎

    I used to edit in the same way, but I did a lot of sessions as a session bassist with one specific producer (Russell Cottier -- he has a bunch of production videos on youtube if you want to hear him speak) who had a very 'natural' approach to tracking, editing and mixing. Was kind of jarring at first and as a recording artist felt a bit 'exposed', however the tracks he produced are by far some of the best I've heard. Because he was mainly working with musicians he knew and trusted on those sessions, a lot of the mix was 'played in' and minimal post-processing was required.

    Have a listen to this album:
    https://open.spotify.com/album/2Joai86dsbapzyRIIKfKtS?si=ghRvKsAkRHiTOgM2Wk6BPg

    Everything apart from the lead vocal (7 piece band) was recorded live in studio, together, in one take per track (instruments independently mic'd). That's one of my favourite productions EVER and very little was changed from the live tracking sessions. Tell you what though -- standing in an isolated stone room (Parr St Studio One: TREBLE!!) with bowed double bass in hand and the band coming through the cans (on an expensive session) is definitely a test of studio nerves!

    Those experiences very strongly informed and influenced my personal tracking/editing/mixing style.

    Wow. That's what happens when guys know what they're doing.
    Just the bare bone essentials.
    Well done!

  • @MrSmileZ said:

    @ZlatansEgo said:
    The UI is skinnable so either download a skin or make one if you're unhappy with the current one
    If a pretty UI is more important than usability and cpu efficiency, well i'm not sure we'll ever agree there. Note that i'm not talking about UX here. The UI, while not the prettiest thing around, is perfectly functional

    Meanwhile it has a modular synth, a fantastic PCM, a vocoder and lots of other stuff that's missing in Gadget so my point still stands - It's definitely a very capable self sustained app for credible dance music (what ever that is)

    As far as it being abandonware - what's this thing people have on ios about how long it's been since an update? It works brilliantly on ios 12. There are no glaring bugs i'm aware of. What more is it you need? Do you refuse to use old software on desktop simply because it's old? Even if it still works as expected? It makes no sense to me

    U are correct, it is skinnable...I’ve tried the skins, yuck. I don’t design skins, it’s not my skill set. I am a musician not a graphic art designer...and even though it is skinnable it will still be locked into the design it is currently in...so it really doesn’t solve my UI issue.

    It can make dance music...you are correct...

    I do refuse to use software with ugly interfaces as it doesn’t inspire me, it just glares at me as a very ugly thing.
    I know at least 10 people who feel the same, and erased it.

    Different transient ischemic attacks for different folks I guess.

    Between your (wildly unfunny) hyperbole, your inability to distinguish between UI and UX and your argumentum ad populum, i don't see how there is anything worthwhile to be gained by engaging you any further. Hopefully your 'skill set' is better than your ability to form a coherent logical argument

  • ... quickly makes popcorn and awaits the show...

  • @ZlatansEgo said:

    @MrSmileZ said:

    @ZlatansEgo said:
    The UI is skinnable so either download a skin or make one if you're unhappy with the current one
    If a pretty UI is more important than usability and cpu efficiency, well i'm not sure we'll ever agree there. Note that i'm not talking about UX here. The UI, while not the prettiest thing around, is perfectly functional

    Meanwhile it has a modular synth, a fantastic PCM, a vocoder and lots of other stuff that's missing in Gadget so my point still stands - It's definitely a very capable self sustained app for credible dance music (what ever that is)

    As far as it being abandonware - what's this thing people have on ios about how long it's been since an update? It works brilliantly on ios 12. There are no glaring bugs i'm aware of. What more is it you need? Do you refuse to use old software on desktop simply because it's old? Even if it still works as expected? It makes no sense to me

    U are correct, it is skinnable...I’ve tried the skins, yuck. I don’t design skins, it’s not my skill set. I am a musician not a graphic art designer...and even though it is skinnable it will still be locked into the design it is currently in...so it really doesn’t solve my UI issue.

    It can make dance music...you are correct...

    I do refuse to use software with ugly interfaces as it doesn’t inspire me, it just glares at me as a very ugly thing.
    I know at least 10 people who feel the same, and erased it.

    Different transient ischemic attacks for different folks I guess.

    Between your (wildly unfunny) hyperbole, your inability to distinguish between UI and UX and your argumentum ad populum, i don't see how there is anything worthwhile to be gained by engaging you any further. Hopefully your 'skill set' is better than your ability to form a coherent logical argument

    Just use the included “Darker” skin. Problem solved. Caustic has more all-in-one capability than most other standalone apps. Just no audio tracks but there are ways around that. I’ve done more music on iOS with Caustic than any other app.

  • Here
    I dislike Caustics UX, for me its a poor user experience
    I dislike the UI, in my use travelling the app and its points of touch are not for me either.

    I think most users are going to confuse the two terms as I did, because I am no developer. Plus it seems that when i looked it up, its quite common for this misunderstanding.

    Thanks for the post that caused me to be educated on this, although i still havent re-downloaded Caustic.

  • Yawn

    Have a break and check out something exceptional :)

    Dare ya

    Music that takes you on a journey

  • To each their yawn.

  • @AudioGus said:
    To each their yawn.

    Did u even give it a proper listen mate ?

    I doubt it

  • @mindscaper said:

    @AudioGus said:
    To each their yawn.

    Did u even give it a proper listen mate ?

    I doubt it

    So far so good. But then again I like techno. The thump tick is in my blood but not everyones cup of tea.

  • edited September 2018

    The FX seem to be the standard for what you would get in any korg product whether it’s an Electribe or a Kaoss Pad or whatever. I’m quite happy with the reverbs delays and filters. What else do you need except some compression and a bit of bitcrushing to narrow the spectrum and boost the sound?

    @ZlatansEgo said:
    The UI is skinnable so either download a skin or make one if you're unhappy with the current one
    If a pretty UI is more important than usability and cpu efficiency, well i'm not sure we'll ever agree there. Note that i'm not talking about UX here. The UI, while not the prettiest thing around, is perfectly functional

    Meanwhile it has a modular synth, a fantastic PCM, a vocoder and lots of other stuff that's missing in Gadget so my point still stands - It's definitely a very capable self sustained app for credible dance music (what ever that is)

    As far as it being abandonware - what's this thing people have on ios about how long it's been since an update? It works brilliantly on ios 12. There are no glaring bugs i'm aware of. What more is it you need? Do you refuse to use old software on desktop simply because it's old? Even if it still works as expected? It makes no sense to me

    Doesn’t work with Audiobus. The file management is buggy too or at least poorly designed. Needs Files support.

  • @LucidMusicInc said:
    The FX seem to be the standard for what you would get in any korg product whether it’s an Electribe or a Kaoss Pad or whatever. I’m quite happy with the reverbs delays and filters. What else do you need except some compression and a bit of bitcrushing to narrow the spectrum and boost the sound. > @ZlatansEgo said:

    The UI is skinnable so either download a skin or make one if you're unhappy with the current one
    If a pretty UI is more important than usability and cpu efficiency, well i'm not sure we'll ever agree there. Note that i'm not talking about UX here. The UI, while not the prettiest thing around, is perfectly functional

    Meanwhile it has a modular synth, a fantastic PCM, a vocoder and lots of other stuff that's missing in Gadget so my point still stands - It's definitely a very capable self sustained app for credible dance music (what ever that is)

    As far as it being abandonware - what's this thing people have on ios about how long it's been since an update? It works brilliantly on ios 12. There are no glaring bugs i'm aware of. What more is it you need? Do you refuse to use old software on desktop simply because it's old? Even if it still works as expected? It makes no sense to me

    Doesn’t work with Audiobus. The file management is buggy too or at least poorly designed. Needs Files support.

    Doesn’t really need AB as a standalone app. Use the free Readdle Documents app with the built in FTP server for file management. Works great.

  • @anickt said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    The FX seem to be the standard for what you would get in any korg product whether it’s an Electribe or a Kaoss Pad or whatever. I’m quite happy with the reverbs delays and filters. What else do you need except some compression and a bit of bitcrushing to narrow the spectrum and boost the sound. > @ZlatansEgo said:

    The UI is skinnable so either download a skin or make one if you're unhappy with the current one
    If a pretty UI is more important than usability and cpu efficiency, well i'm not sure we'll ever agree there. Note that i'm not talking about UX here. The UI, while not the prettiest thing around, is perfectly functional

    Meanwhile it has a modular synth, a fantastic PCM, a vocoder and lots of other stuff that's missing in Gadget so my point still stands - It's definitely a very capable self sustained app for credible dance music (what ever that is)

    As far as it being abandonware - what's this thing people have on ios about how long it's been since an update? It works brilliantly on ios 12. There are no glaring bugs i'm aware of. What more is it you need? Do you refuse to use old software on desktop simply because it's old? Even if it still works as expected? It makes no sense to me

    Doesn’t work with Audiobus. The file management is buggy too or at least poorly designed. Needs Files support.

    Doesn’t really need AB as a standalone app. Use the free Readdle Documents app with the built in FTP server for file management. Works great.

    For me that ship has left the port. Good times but I’m all wrapped up in apps like Grooverider and Gadget nowadays. The app also has a problem with the orientation for IPhone. It’s a very well made app but it’s abundantly clear that the target user base are on Android as that’s where all the IAPs are getting sold. The file manager also works in the context of Android where you can swap files in and out without jumping through security hoops.

  • @LucidMusicInc said:

    @anickt said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    The FX seem to be the standard for what you would get in any korg product whether it’s an Electribe or a Kaoss Pad or whatever. I’m quite happy with the reverbs delays and filters. What else do you need except some compression and a bit of bitcrushing to narrow the spectrum and boost the sound. > @ZlatansEgo said:

    The UI is skinnable so either download a skin or make one if you're unhappy with the current one
    If a pretty UI is more important than usability and cpu efficiency, well i'm not sure we'll ever agree there. Note that i'm not talking about UX here. The UI, while not the prettiest thing around, is perfectly functional

    Meanwhile it has a modular synth, a fantastic PCM, a vocoder and lots of other stuff that's missing in Gadget so my point still stands - It's definitely a very capable self sustained app for credible dance music (what ever that is)

    As far as it being abandonware - what's this thing people have on ios about how long it's been since an update? It works brilliantly on ios 12. There are no glaring bugs i'm aware of. What more is it you need? Do you refuse to use old software on desktop simply because it's old? Even if it still works as expected? It makes no sense to me

    Doesn’t work with Audiobus. The file management is buggy too or at least poorly designed. Needs Files support.

    Doesn’t really need AB as a standalone app. Use the free Readdle Documents app with the built in FTP server for file management. Works great.

    For me that ship has left the port. Good times but I’m all wrapped up in apps like Grooverider and Gadget nowadays. The app also has a problem with the orientation for IPhone. It’s a very well made app but it’s abundantly clear that the target user base are on Android as that’s where all the IAPs are getting sold. The file manager also works in the context of Android where you can swap files in and out without jumping through security hoops.

    I guess it was the only decent music app on Android for a long time. That is the main user base. I don’t see the dev showing much interest in getting back to it but who knows. Still useful in the meantime. There is so much choice on iOS these days it’s hard to choose any one app and stick with it.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @breilly said:
    Gadget does so many things really well but the effects are weak.
    Its this point that working in ‘the box’ kills me. There are many awesome and creative effects out there that i would love to incorperate using gadget, which you can (via aum, ab), but only on one instance, not individual korg channels. Would be great if they upgraded or even had iap’s for new effects, especially reverbs and delays They’ve supplied enough synths and drums at this point, if thats even possible ;)
    How about it korg?
    Your thoughts or ideas?

    No joke. I mean, I'm able to get an approximate of the final mix I have in mind when mixing in Gadget, but...

    A. Not enough IFX slots.
    B. Effects that are kinda weak.
    C. No f---ing saturation IFX.
    D. No f---ing ensemble IFX.

    Korg is sometimes the most innovative company, and sometimes they're absolutely stuck behind the times/take too many shortcuts. Look at how long it took for Korg to give us Vancouver, and even then it's just a simple melodic sampler rather than a melodic multisampler. We FINALLY have Files support, but their current file system is borked (although we were promised an update soon). Something as simple as renaming tracks has STILL not been implemented - a feature we've asked for since Gadget's initial release in December 2013.

    I swear, I would pay IAP money for more/better IFX, like a 10-band parametric EQ, better-sounding verb, ensemble IFX, or even better if it's an AU shell IFX so I can use Pro-Q2 and K-Shaper! More IFX slots, and IFX slots on the master channel too. There need to be better options in other words.

    Hopefully @davis_korgrd will see this now that I've tagged him. :) I LOVE Gadget. It's my favourite app, and I won't stop using it just because there are things that are lacking. I'm just glad we have a primative form of Files support so that stem export doesn't take forever and that I can bounce out to 96kHz/24-bit for precise closest-to-analogue-you're-gonna-get mixing in Auria Pro with my beloved FabFilter plugs.

    Agree on so many of those points. A 10-band parametric EQ would be a godsend. The current EQ is lousy and rather ineffective.

    However, you CAN rename tracks in Gadget. Not sure when it was implemented but it's been there for a couple years.

  • @BitterGums said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @breilly said:
    Gadget does so many things really well but the effects are weak.
    Its this point that working in ‘the box’ kills me. There are many awesome and creative effects out there that i would love to incorperate using gadget, which you can (via aum, ab), but only on one instance, not individual korg channels. Would be great if they upgraded or even had iap’s for new effects, especially reverbs and delays They’ve supplied enough synths and drums at this point, if thats even possible ;)
    How about it korg?
    Your thoughts or ideas?

    No joke. I mean, I'm able to get an approximate of the final mix I have in mind when mixing in Gadget, but...

    A. Not enough IFX slots.
    B. Effects that are kinda weak.
    C. No f---ing saturation IFX.
    D. No f---ing ensemble IFX.

    Korg is sometimes the most innovative company, and sometimes they're absolutely stuck behind the times/take too many shortcuts. Look at how long it took for Korg to give us Vancouver, and even then it's just a simple melodic sampler rather than a melodic multisampler. We FINALLY have Files support, but their current file system is borked (although we were promised an update soon). Something as simple as renaming tracks has STILL not been implemented - a feature we've asked for since Gadget's initial release in December 2013.

    I swear, I would pay IAP money for more/better IFX, like a 10-band parametric EQ, better-sounding verb, ensemble IFX, or even better if it's an AU shell IFX so I can use Pro-Q2 and K-Shaper! More IFX slots, and IFX slots on the master channel too. There need to be better options in other words.

    Hopefully @davis_korgrd will see this now that I've tagged him. :) I LOVE Gadget. It's my favourite app, and I won't stop using it just because there are things that are lacking. I'm just glad we have a primative form of Files support so that stem export doesn't take forever and that I can bounce out to 96kHz/24-bit for precise closest-to-analogue-you're-gonna-get mixing in Auria Pro with my beloved FabFilter plugs.

    Agree on so many of those points. A 10-band parametric EQ would be a godsend. The current EQ is lousy and rather ineffective.

    However, you CAN rename tracks in Gadget. Not sure when it was implemented but it's been there for a couple years.

    Well, by "renaming", I mean actually putting in the name rather than choosing from 5 premade selections. :lol: That's not good enough. You can rename scenes however. :)

  • @BitterGums said:
    ... Agree on so many of those points. A 10-band parametric EQ would be a godsend. The current EQ is lousy and rather ineffective.

    Not only that, it's actually implemented the wrong way. The controls don't do what they're indicating. I would be happy with a properly working 3-band fully parametric already!

  • @mindscaper said:
    Yawn

    Have a break and check out something exceptional :)

    Dare ya

    Music that takes you on a journey

    It is no Politics of Dancing part 1 disc 2

  • Actually, when I was writing the EQ UI I intentionally put the wrong cutoff calculation in for the display to encourage all of you to become better engineers by using your ears instead of your eyes.

    It's a feature, not a bug, right?

  • edited September 2018

    @davis_korgrd said:
    Actually, when I was writing the EQ UI I intentionally put the wrong cutoff calculation in for the display to encourage all of you to become better engineers by using your ears instead of your eyes.

    It's a feature, not a bug, right?

    LOL :p

  • edited September 2018

    @davis_korgrd said:
    Actually, when I was writing the EQ UI I intentionally put the wrong cutoff calculation in for the display to encourage all of you to become better engineers by using your ears instead of your eyes.

    It's a feature, not a bug, right?

    Do you mean to say Gadget isn't the right tool for engineers who know what they're doing?
    That's a real bummer. Gadget is not that bad.
    When I'm about to tweak an EQ, from listening I usually know roughly what freqs I want to tweak, and I find this quite irritating.
    It's also irritating not to know if and how EQ bands do overlap.

  • @rs2000 just making a joke about code that I wrote.

    The maximum and minimum values of the EQ are correct, it's the intermediate values that aren't calculated correctly. We talked about fixing the issue, but since the change would affect the sound of people's existing projects, we decided against it.


    Additionally, I saw somewhere earlier in the thread that someone was frustrated with the DeeMax popover. To dismiss it while leaving the limiter active, just click/tap the "edit" button on the master channel~

  • @davis_korgrd said:
    @rs2000 just making a joke about code that I wrote.

    The maximum and minimum values of the EQ are correct, it's the intermediate values that aren't calculated correctly. We talked about fixing the issue, but since the change would affect the sound of people's existing projects, we decided against it.

    Korgfriend, I totally understand this decision and it makes very good sense, however, isn't it also terrible and bad? Surely there's a solution. I mean, for example, why not fix the EQ but add a 'Legacy' button to it which switches it back to classic broken mode? And projects that were last saved before the relevant update have the Legacy button switched on automatically?

    That couldn't be too difficult, could it...? I mean essentially you'd be adding a new IFX and just... leaving in the old one as well.

    Does that make any sense?

    I'm particularly interested in this because I'd like to start completing projects inside Gadget (rather than exporting the stems to mix elsewhere) — in fact I started a topic about it recently:

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/28065/mixing-in-korg-gadget-share-and-discuss

  • edited September 2018

    @davis_korgrd said:
    @rs2000 just making a joke about code that I wrote.

    The maximum and minimum values of the EQ are correct, it's the intermediate values that aren't calculated correctly. We talked about fixing the issue, but since the change would affect the sound of people's existing projects, we decided against it.

    So, how about a $10 IAP popover Parametric EQ with 10 adjustable bands and bell curve, high shelf, low shelf, high cut, low cut, band pass, band reject, comb, and a couple other filters complete with the ability to toggle between a 12dB/oct, 18dB/oct, 24dB, 36dB, and 48dB/oct curve?

    Or, do as @zpxlng suggested and fix the EQ issue as well as install a legacy switch. Or, create the fixed EQ and rename the current one to "legacy EQ". Or do all three, or at least do one.

    And speaking of IFX, isn't it time to code and install a Saturation/Waveshaper one as well as an Ensemble one? :) Thanks. Cheers.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @davis_korgrd said:
    @rs2000 just making a joke about code that I wrote.

    The maximum and minimum values of the EQ are correct, it's the intermediate values that aren't calculated correctly. We talked about fixing the issue, but since the change would affect the sound of people's existing projects, we decided against it.

    So, how about a $10 IAP popover Parametric EQ with 10 adjustable bands and bell curve, high shelf, low shelf, high cut, low cut, band pass, band reject, comb, and a couple other filters complete with the ability to toggle between a 12dB/oct, 18dB/oct, 24dB, 36dB, and 48dB/oct curve?

    I'd prefer an option to use AUv3's in the iFX slots. I mean it will be hard for any EQ to compete with Pro-Q 2 ;)

  • @Samu said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @davis_korgrd said:
    @rs2000 just making a joke about code that I wrote.

    The maximum and minimum values of the EQ are correct, it's the intermediate values that aren't calculated correctly. We talked about fixing the issue, but since the change would affect the sound of people's existing projects, we decided against it.

    So, how about a $10 IAP popover Parametric EQ with 10 adjustable bands and bell curve, high shelf, low shelf, high cut, low cut, band pass, band reject, comb, and a couple other filters complete with the ability to toggle between a 12dB/oct, 18dB/oct, 24dB, 36dB, and 48dB/oct curve?

    I'd prefer an option to use AUv3's in the iFX slots. I mean it will be hard for any EQ to compete with Pro-Q 2 ;)

    Slippery slope!

  • @AudioGus said:

    @Samu said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @davis_korgrd said:
    @rs2000 just making a joke about code that I wrote.

    The maximum and minimum values of the EQ are correct, it's the intermediate values that aren't calculated correctly. We talked about fixing the issue, but since the change would affect the sound of people's existing projects, we decided against it.

    So, how about a $10 IAP popover Parametric EQ with 10 adjustable bands and bell curve, high shelf, low shelf, high cut, low cut, band pass, band reject, comb, and a couple other filters complete with the ability to toggle between a 12dB/oct, 18dB/oct, 24dB, 36dB, and 48dB/oct curve?

    I'd prefer an option to use AUv3's in the iFX slots. I mean it will be hard for any EQ to compete with Pro-Q 2 ;)

    Slippery slope!

    Yeah, 12dB is pretty slippery, but 96dB is a sharp drop.

  • @Samu said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @davis_korgrd said:
    @rs2000 just making a joke about code that I wrote.

    The maximum and minimum values of the EQ are correct, it's the intermediate values that aren't calculated correctly. We talked about fixing the issue, but since the change would affect the sound of people's existing projects, we decided against it.

    So, how about a $10 IAP popover Parametric EQ with 10 adjustable bands and bell curve, high shelf, low shelf, high cut, low cut, band pass, band reject, comb, and a couple other filters complete with the ability to toggle between a 12dB/oct, 18dB/oct, 24dB, 36dB, and 48dB/oct curve?

    I'd prefer an option to use AUv3's in the iFX slots. I mean it will be hard for any EQ to compete with Pro-Q 2 ;)

    True! An AUv3 shell IFX would be the best thing added to Gadget since Files support.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Samu said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @davis_korgrd said:
    @rs2000 just making a joke about code that I wrote.

    The maximum and minimum values of the EQ are correct, it's the intermediate values that aren't calculated correctly. We talked about fixing the issue, but since the change would affect the sound of people's existing projects, we decided against it.

    So, how about a $10 IAP popover Parametric EQ with 10 adjustable bands and bell curve, high shelf, low shelf, high cut, low cut, band pass, band reject, comb, and a couple other filters complete with the ability to toggle between a 12dB/oct, 18dB/oct, 24dB, 36dB, and 48dB/oct curve?

    I'd prefer an option to use AUv3's in the iFX slots. I mean it will be hard for any EQ to compete with Pro-Q 2 ;)

    Slippery slope!

    Yeah, 12dB is pretty slippery, but 96dB is a sharp drop.

    Lol, now are you trolling me or did I just troll myself?

  • @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Samu said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @davis_korgrd said:
    @rs2000 just making a joke about code that I wrote.

    The maximum and minimum values of the EQ are correct, it's the intermediate values that aren't calculated correctly. We talked about fixing the issue, but since the change would affect the sound of people's existing projects, we decided against it.

    So, how about a $10 IAP popover Parametric EQ with 10 adjustable bands and bell curve, high shelf, low shelf, high cut, low cut, band pass, band reject, comb, and a couple other filters complete with the ability to toggle between a 12dB/oct, 18dB/oct, 24dB, 36dB, and 48dB/oct curve?

    I'd prefer an option to use AUv3's in the iFX slots. I mean it will be hard for any EQ to compete with Pro-Q 2 ;)

    Slippery slope!

    Yeah, 12dB is pretty slippery, but 96dB is a sharp drop.

    Lol, now are you trolling me or did I just troll myself?

    Trollception. :smirk:

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