Gestrument Pro Released!

jigglypuff

@Calverhall said:
Gestrument Pro is out of this world. Paired with a Touche, controlling ODYSSEi. Im speechless at the expressive power. I honestly cant think when I last had this kind of fun.

I just ordered a Touche. I'm interested in more details of your configuration.

JohnnyGoodyear

Should add my vote also to using the Apple pencil if you have one, really glides/writes/plays nicely...

GovernorSilver

@Norbert said:

@db909 said:

@Norbert said:
I am on a fence with this app. Need some vids to see what it can actually do.

What I did was go to YouTube and then I typed in “Gestrument Pro” and was greeted with videos

Yeah I know but there are not enough at the moment. A few tutorials and some sounds stuff but we cannot see exactly what it can do in detail. I am not sure I actually need it according to what I have seen so far.

How about the manual? It was posted in one of the GP threads.

I can't imagine Tim Webb and Doug leaving much out in their tutorial vds, but the GP team also promised their own video tutorials.

j_liljedahl

@TheOriginalPaulB said:

@JesperNordin said:
@Calverhall - it might be an issue of the synth not reacting fast enough to the note off's. I have that a lot when I connect Gestrument to Digital Performer, but not when controlling stand alone synths and sample banks. So I think it's an issue in how some synths handle the note on/off of a repeated note. I've checked the actual midi output several times and it is fine.

Could the apps in question be expecting note on with zero velocity instead of note off? Most stuff treats the two messages the same, but I have come across exceptions that didn’t handle one or the other. A Streambyter script that translated note off into note on vel 0 messages could test this.

I just tried quickly with Gestrument -> Ripplemaker in AUM, and the notes repeats and does their ons and offs just fine here.

AudioGus

I think I may have to rewatch the vids with less skippy skip but what about bread n buttr things like stems export, multiple outputs? ‘Files’? Would love to read a manual first for something like this.

Can it play nice with BM3 all good nstuff?

Carnbot

@AudioGus said:
I think I may have to rewatch the vids with less skippy skip but what about bread n buttr things like stems export, multiple outputs? ‘Files’? Would love to read a manual first for something like this.

Can it play nice with BM3 all good nstuff?

It's got Files support for presets, scales and soundfonts, but not tried that part yet. Doesn't record audio internally so no stems. Only one output currently. Haven't tried with BM3 but think it should work fine

AudioGus

@Carnbot said:

@AudioGus said:
I think I may have to rewatch the vids with less skippy skip but what about bread n buttr things like stems export, multiple outputs? ‘Files’? Would love to read a manual first for something like this.

Can it play nice with BM3 all good nstuff?

It's got Files support for presets, scales and soundfonts, but not tried that part yet. Doesn't record audio internally so no stems. Only one output currently. Haven't tried with BM3 but think it should work fine

Nice, thanks for the details.

Dchild

@JesperNordin said:
@Dchild - what we have now is a ChordMap that is completely separated from the Global scales. We will have many types of pitch and rhythm generators in the future - some that are independent, some that are connected to for instance global scales. We have several new chord generators planned, but for now you will need to make a chord sequence by looping a cursor playing on Chord map and then looping the equivalent scales in the scale slots. I have a preset that does this and will be included in the next update, but I can share it here (I hope):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r827dtdef4amun4/Space song.g2preset?dl=0

Would much prefer the chord map to lock to the global scale. How do you match the chords to a specific scale?

[Deleted User]

Wish they’d had a intro price on this - I screwed up on the pre-order thing, and the bundle. Oh well.

Calverhall

@j_liljedahl said:

@TheOriginalPaulB said:

@JesperNordin said:
@Calverhall - it might be an issue of the synth not reacting fast enough to the note off's. I have that a lot when I connect Gestrument to Digital Performer, but not when controlling stand alone synths and sample banks. So I think it's an issue in how some synths handle the note on/off of a repeated note. I've checked the actual midi output several times and it is fine.

Could the apps in question be expecting note on with zero velocity instead of note off? Most stuff treats the two messages the same, but I have come across exceptions that didn’t handle one or the other. A Streambyter script that translated note off into note on vel 0 messages could test this.

I just tried quickly with Gestrument -> Ripplemaker in AUM, and the notes repeats and does their ons and offs just fine here.

Straight away?

I just tried again, no repeats, i tried patching it with an snappy envelope, still the same. Troublemaker seems fine now but so e Model D patches work and others react the same way.

Perhaps its a bug? Or I’m missing something obvious? Using an iPad Pro 9.7. Gonna test on my iPhone in a moment...

Calverhall

Same problems with Ripplemaker.

Carnbot

Always a pleasure opening this and playing with it but I'm going to reiterate my desire for Ableton Link, it feels a bit retro without it. IAA sync is a bit too restricting and feels like midi clock. i want to be able to stop/start the GP transport without affecting the host transport (and still remaining in sync). I just find Link workflow more suitable for multiple app situations, especially now that start/stop Link is here.

A workaround is using two hosts with Link, one for hosting GP and the other for hosting your synths and other sequencers, then the transport for both is disconnected if you want but still in sync. But that's a bit convoluted.

RajahP

@Carnbot said:
Always a pleasure opening this and playing with it but I'm going to reiterate my desire for Ableton Link, it feels a bit retro without it. IAA sync is a bit too restricting and feels like midi clock. i want to be able to stop/start the GP transport without affecting the host transport (and still remaining in sync). I just find Link workflow more suitable for multiple app situations, especially now that start/stop Link is here.

A workaround is using two hosts with Link, one for hosting GP and the other for hosting your synths and other sequencers, then the transport for both is disconnected if you want but still in sync. But that's a bit convoluted.

Think I read somewhere that Ableton Link and Midi recording was on the cards....

j_liljedahl

@Calverhall said:

@j_liljedahl said:

@TheOriginalPaulB said:

@JesperNordin said:
@Calverhall - it might be an issue of the synth not reacting fast enough to the note off's. I have that a lot when I connect Gestrument to Digital Performer, but not when controlling stand alone synths and sample banks. So I think it's an issue in how some synths handle the note on/off of a repeated note. I've checked the actual midi output several times and it is fine.

Could the apps in question be expecting note on with zero velocity instead of note off? Most stuff treats the two messages the same, but I have come across exceptions that didn’t handle one or the other. A Streambyter script that translated note off into note on vel 0 messages could test this.

I just tried quickly with Gestrument -> Ripplemaker in AUM, and the notes repeats and does their ons and offs just fine here.

Straight away?

I just tried again, no repeats, i tried patching it with an snappy envelope, still the same. Troublemaker seems fine now but so e Model D patches work and others react the same way.

Perhaps its a bug? Or I’m missing something obvious? Using an iPad Pro 9.7. Gonna test on my iPhone in a moment...

Sorry, I forgot to turn off the internal instrument sound in Gestrument Pro so I was fooled by its attack sound Indeed ripplemaker seems to not react on the note-offs when a new note-on happens at the same time. Gestrument Pro sends a note-off for the old note and then the note-on for the new note, but I'm suspecting CoreMIDI does not preserve this order so perhaps we need to add an actual time-gap between note-off and the next note-on. I'll investigate!

j_liljedahl

@Carnbot said:
Always a pleasure opening this and playing with it but I'm going to reiterate my desire for Ableton Link, it feels a bit retro without it. IAA sync is a bit too restricting and feels like midi clock. i want to be able to stop/start the GP transport without affecting the host transport (and still remaining in sync). I just find Link workflow more suitable for multiple app situations, especially now that start/stop Link is here.

A workaround is using two hosts with Link, one for hosting GP and the other for hosting your synths and other sequencers, then the transport for both is disconnected if you want but still in sync. But that's a bit convoluted.

I can see the point with a "free" sync mechanism that doesn't follow the actual timeline of the host, only the phase within a given sync quantum - just like Link does. This could be done with IAA as well. There could be a toggle to choose if it should start with the host or if that should be left up to the user.

Calverhall

@j_liljedahl said:
Sorry, I forgot to turn off the internal instrument sound in Gestrument Pro so I was fooled by its attack sound

Lolz! I mean ive done that more than once myself already but Im perhaps not as intimately involved as you are.

@j_liljedahl said:
Indeed ripplemaker seems to not react on the note-offs when a new note-on happens at the same time. Gestrument Pro sends a note-off for the old note and then the note-on for the new note, but I'm suspecting CoreMIDI does not preserve this order so perhaps we need to add an actual time-gap between note-off and the next note-on. I'll investigate!

Thank you. Although Gestrument Pro is more stunning for polyphony, Ripplemaker is my fave iOS synth (of course one could have multiple instances in AU) so im eager to get them on board with one another

BlueGreenSpiral

Interview with Jesper talking Gestrument just popped up on my podcasts

https://itunes.apple.com/ie/podcast/music-production-podcast/id1212124420?mt=2#episodeGuid=52b0b517e4b01342092bbf99:58bc128637c581c8b9032695:5baea8d2e5e5f0634dae6f40

Carnbot

@j_liljedahl said:

@Carnbot said:
Always a pleasure opening this and playing with it but I'm going to reiterate my desire for Ableton Link, it feels a bit retro without it. IAA sync is a bit too restricting and feels like midi clock. i want to be able to stop/start the GP transport without affecting the host transport (and still remaining in sync). I just find Link workflow more suitable for multiple app situations, especially now that start/stop Link is here.

A workaround is using two hosts with Link, one for hosting GP and the other for hosting your synths and other sequencers, then the transport for both is disconnected if you want but still in sync. But that's a bit convoluted.

I can see the point with a "free" sync mechanism that doesn't follow the actual timeline of the host, only the phase within a given sync quantum - just like Link does. This could be done with IAA as well. There could be a toggle to choose if it should start with the host or if that should be left up to the user.

Yeah that would be great and appreciated if implemented
I think Link based workflow adds more options and freedom in recording, especially when paired with other sequencers.

Telstar5

@j_liljedahl : Speaking of future chord generators, any plans to implement a guitar style chord generator? Also one the deals in 11th, 13th jazz type chords, etc ?

JesperNordin

To everyone - update on the bundle issue!

We know some people have had issues with this - mostly because they bought Gestrument as part of the bundle with ScaleGen. So now we have added a bundle which includes ScaleGen as well, and hope that it will be solved in this way. The AppStore support have been able to help some people where it has not worked even though they hadn’t bought Gestrument as part of the old bundle, so you might want to try talking with them. AppStore told us specifically that we didn’t need to add a separate bundle with ScaleGen, and that people would get the discount anyway, but it seems they were mistaken. Even they don’t understand the inner workings of the AppStore - it’s a bit of a mess! We have no control at all over the AppStore unfortunately…

Let’s hope it works out either with the new bundle (waiting for approval in the AppStore) or by contacting AppStore support!

Jumpercollins

@JesperNordin said:
To everyone - update on the bundle issue!

We know some people have had issues with this - mostly because they bought Gestrument as part of the bundle with ScaleGen. So now we have added a bundle which includes ScaleGen as well, and hope that it will be solved in this way. The AppStore support have been able to help some people where it has not worked even though they hadn’t bought Gestrument as part of the old bundle, so you might want to try talking with them. AppStore told us specifically that we didn’t need to add a separate bundle with ScaleGen, and that people would get the discount anyway, but it seems they were mistaken. Even they don’t understand the inner workings of the AppStore - it’s a bit of a mess! We have no control at all over the AppStore unfortunately…

Let’s hope it works out either with the new bundle (waiting for approval in the AppStore) or by contacting AppStore support!

Cheers for all that, I actually went back and checked all my old receipts till I found Gestrument and realised at the time I brought it as a bundle with ScaleGen! So probably won’t get much of a discount with a bundle on a bundle ! See what happens once the new package drops anyhow. Thanks for looking into all this good service on behalf of yourselfs.

j_liljedahl

@Telstar5 said:
@j_liljedahl : Speaking of future chord generators, any plans to implement a guitar style chord generator? Also one the deals in 11th, 13th jazz type chords, etc ?

The existing Chord generator deals with any chords you can imagine with up to 8 notes in them. There's a bunch of pre-made chords in it but you can also add your own, using standard chord notation (1-3-5 etc)

greenboots77

Hi! Thank you for gestrument pro it blows my mind!
I apologize if it has already been asked, is possible to arpeggiate with different notes in scale with the pattern generator? Something like +1 +3 +x like steppolyarp besides velocity and probability?

j_liljedahl

@greenboots77 said:
Hi! Thank you for gestrument pro it blows my mind!
I apologize if it has already been asked, is possible to arpeggiate with different notes in scale with the pattern generator? Something like +1 +3 +x like steppolyarp besides velocity and probability?

Currently not, an arpeggiator/pitch-pattern generator is coming in a future update.

lukesleepwalker

@j_liljedahl said:

@greenboots77 said:
Hi! Thank you for gestrument pro it blows my mind!
I apologize if it has already been asked, is possible to arpeggiate with different notes in scale with the pattern generator? Something like +1 +3 +x like steppolyarp besides velocity and probability?

Currently not, an arpeggiator/pitch-pattern generator is coming in a future update.

Can we assume it would follow the same design pattern of the current pattern generator, where the user can specify whether the sequence restarts on touch down?

greenboots77

@j_liljedahl said:

@greenboots77 said:
Hi! Thank you for gestrument pro it blows my mind!
I apologize if it has already been asked, is possible to arpeggiate with different notes in scale with the pattern generator? Something like +1 +3 +x like steppolyarp besides velocity and probability?

Currently not, an arpeggiator/pitch-pattern generator is coming in a future update.

Thanks for the info! even as an IAP it would be an instant purchase for me!

Artefact2001

@j_liljedahl said:

@greenboots77 said:
Hi! Thank you for gestrument pro it blows my mind!
I apologize if it has already been asked, is possible to arpeggiate with different notes in scale with the pattern generator? Something like +1 +3 +x like steppolyarp besides velocity and probability?

Currently not, an arpeggiator/pitch-pattern generator is coming in a future update.

amazing, can't wait to find out what's else is in store for this amazing app!

ps — how do I hook up a kinect?! (2:12)

JesperNordin

@Artefact2001 We had a free beta software to translate Kinect data to Midi CC on our old website for many years. We are working on a new version, since the old was a big buggy - but if you want to try it I can send you the old version - email me at [email protected]

Otherwise you can wait and we are planning to do something quite interesting in this area;-)

j_liljedahl

@lukesleepwalker said:

@j_liljedahl said:

@greenboots77 said:
Hi! Thank you for gestrument pro it blows my mind!
I apologize if it has already been asked, is possible to arpeggiate with different notes in scale with the pattern generator? Something like +1 +3 +x like steppolyarp besides velocity and probability?

Currently not, an arpeggiator/pitch-pattern generator is coming in a future update.

Can we assume it would follow the same design pattern of the current pattern generator, where the user can specify whether the sequence restarts on touch down?

Yes, sure.

rockodil

How can i import .exs files from my Laptop to my iPad with gestrument pro?
I tried to use i tunes filesharing. I copied the exs files with iTunes to gestrument. But where do i find them inside gestrument? I can’t find anything for importing files. And they are not listed in „Sounds“. Thanks!