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BM3 learning curve

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  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @kinkujin said:
    Righto! Thanks. Sheesh I was really scratching my head over that one.

    Took me FOREVER to figure this out so don't sweat it. BM3 is filled with this stuff.

  • universeuniverse

    @AudioGus said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @kinkujin said:
    Righto! Thanks. Sheesh I was really scratching my head over that one.

    BM3 is full of little things like that! One day it all comes together! ;)

    Yah, tap/double tap everything and even if you don’t quite know what it is for just appreciate that you found a thing. :)

    Yeah apart from spending a weekend reading the whole manual and lots of YT videos of which there were hardly any at the start, I literally pressed anything that looked like it was supposed to be pressed to see what it did and then cross referenced that with the manual.

    Most people that don’t get bm3 just haven’t put in the work. iOS apps often make people lazy. If it doesn’t sing and dance within a few taps they move onto the next thing like kids at Xmas. And fair enough in some ways. The iOS platform has lowered the value of high end software and made it cheap for people to buy and discard. Just like the environmental epidemic of cheap throw away clothing.

    Bm3 is super tricky though and has some real clunky work flows that out people off. But if you stick with it and use muscle memory it pays dividends. Bm3 is sophisticated and needs time to master. Then once you’re in you’re only limited by your imagination.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @universe said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @kinkujin said:
    Righto! Thanks. Sheesh I was really scratching my head over that one.

    BM3 is full of little things like that! One day it all comes together! ;)

    Yah, tap/double tap everything and even if you don’t quite know what it is for just appreciate that you found a thing. :)

    Yeah apart from spending a weekend reading the whole manual and lots of YT videos of which there were hardly any at the start, I literally pressed anything that looked like it was supposed to be pressed to see what it did and then cross referenced that with the manual.

    Most people that don’t get bm3 just haven’t put in the work. iOS apps often make people lazy. If it doesn’t sing and dance within a few taps they move onto the next thing like kids at Xmas. And fair enough in some ways. The iOS platform has lowered the value of high end software and made it cheap for people to buy and discard. Just like the environmental epidemic of cheap throw away clothing.

    Bm3 is super tricky though and has some real clunky work flows that out people off. But if you stick with it and use muscle memory it pays dividends. Bm3 is sophisticated and needs time to master. Then once you’re in you’re only limited by your imagination.

    I was surprised when I found out (by accident) that there is a mixer for all the sounds on a set of pads - this is what I’ve been battling against on all other iOS software: drums needing to be separated to load fx on them and mix them within the mix well. BM3 does all this as standard - try doing this with any other iOS DAW! It takes an age to set up drums in Auria Pro. Not that Auria Pro is slow, it’s just not set up as a normal init program feature as standard.

    So while, yeah BM3 has an initial steep learning curve with its little idiosyncrasies, once you get to a certain point, BM3 is one of the easiest DAWs in iOS to get a track up and running imo

  • tk32tk32
    edited October 2018

    Greetings all,

    I'm a regular contributor, battle supervisor, and occasional antagonist over at the Intua BeatMaker 3 forums, but have only been a lurker here at AB up until now.

    This thread has managed to lure me out of hiding because it's a topic I feel quite strongly about – so much so that I've started writing my own guide to BeatMaker 3, written especially for new users and others who are having a little difficulty adapting to its slightly unfamiliar workflows and 'beautiful complexity'.

    I've only recently started writing the guide, but have so far received the encouragement and blessing of the main man, Mathieu Garcia, who has kindly offered to create a new Intua community Wiki to host the guide once I start publishing chapters.

    If you'd like a preview of how I plan to write the guide, I have posted an outline of the contents over at the Intua forum.

    Why am I telling you this? The answer is twofold..

    1. Judging from some of the comments in this thread, I have a feeling the guide might be helpful to some of you who have glimpsed BeatMaker's wonderful power, but have also been frustrated by it's unconventional swagger.
    2. I would really appreciate any input you guys (and girls?) could give me about what things you find most tricky about using Beatmaker - or particularly the things you didn't find covered well in the official documentation.

    Anyway, nice to break cover and finally say hi to everyone here.

    tk32

  • supadomsupadom

    @tk32 said:
    Greetings all,

    I'm a regular contributor, battle supervisor, and occasional antagonist over at the Intua BeatMaker 3 forums, but have only been a lurker here at AB up until now.

    This thread has managed to lure me out of hiding because it's a topic I feel quite strongly about – so much so that I've started writing my own guide to BeatMaker 3, written especially for new users and others who are having a little difficulty adapting to its slightly unfamiliar workflows and 'beautiful complexity'.

    I've only recently started writing the guide, but have so far received the encouragement and blessing of the main man, Mathieu Garcia, who has kindly offered to create a new Intua community Wiki to host the guide once I start publishing chapters.

    If you'd like a preview of how I plan to write the guide, I have posted an outline of the contents over at the Intua forum.

    Why am I telling you this? The answer is twofold..

    1. Judging from some of the comments in this thread, I have a feeling the guide might be helpful to some of you who have glimpsed BeatMaker's wonderful power, but have also been frustrated by it's unconventional swagger.
    2. I would really appreciate any input you guys (and girls?) could give me about what things you find most tricky about using Beatmaker - or particularly the things you didn't find covered well in the official documentation.

    Anyway, nice to break cover and finally say hi to everyone here.

    tk32

    Just checked the outline and it looks great. Especially the ‘configuring BM3 for Live performance. Thanks for showing here and putting the time to write this up. I guess it must be as much challenge, if not more, as learning Bam3 in the first place.

    As for me, being a veteran from BM2 days I am mostly confused by the 3 dimensionality of the app. While most of Daws are left to right, linear kind of affairs, BM3 seems to be a more flexible, and because of this, also a more confusing beast.

    Very much looking forward to reading it as it develops.

    Cheers

  • hansjbshansjbs

    @tk32 said:
    Greetings all,

    I'm a regular contributor, battle supervisor, and occasional antagonist over at the Intua BeatMaker 3 forums, but have only been a lurker here at AB up until now.

    This thread has managed to lure me out of hiding because it's a topic I feel quite strongly about – so much so that I've started writing my own guide to BeatMaker 3, written especially for new users and others who are having a little difficulty adapting to its slightly unfamiliar workflows and 'beautiful complexity'.

    I've only recently started writing the guide, but have so far received the encouragement and blessing of the main man, Mathieu Garcia, who has kindly offered to create a new Intua community Wiki to host the guide once I start publishing chapters.

    If you'd like a preview of how I plan to write the guide, I have posted an outline of the contents over at the Intua forum.

    Why am I telling you this? The answer is twofold..

    1. Judging from some of the comments in this thread, I have a feeling the guide might be helpful to some of you who have glimpsed BeatMaker's wonderful power, but have also been frustrated by it's unconventional swagger.
    2. I would really appreciate any input you guys (and girls?) could give me about what things you find most tricky about using Beatmaker - or particularly the things you didn't find covered well in the official documentation.

    Anyway, nice to break cover and finally say hi to everyone here.

    tk32

    Hey @tk32 nice to see you in here.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @tk32 said:
    Greetings all,

    I'm a regular contributor, battle supervisor, and occasional antagonist over at the Intua BeatMaker 3 forums, but have only been a lurker here at AB up until now.

    This thread has managed to lure me out of hiding because it's a topic I feel quite strongly about – so much so that I've started writing my own guide to BeatMaker 3, written especially for new users and others who are having a little difficulty adapting to its slightly unfamiliar workflows and 'beautiful complexity'.

    I've only recently started writing the guide, but have so far received the encouragement and blessing of the main man, Mathieu Garcia, who has kindly offered to create a new Intua community Wiki to host the guide once I start publishing chapters.

    If you'd like a preview of how I plan to write the guide, I have posted an outline of the contents over at the Intua forum.

    Why am I telling you this? The answer is twofold..

    1. Judging from some of the comments in this thread, I have a feeling the guide might be helpful to some of you who have glimpsed BeatMaker's wonderful power, but have also been frustrated by it's unconventional swagger.
    2. I would really appreciate any input you guys (and girls?) could give me about what things you find most tricky about using Beatmaker - or particularly the things you didn't find covered well in the official documentation.

    Anyway, nice to break cover and finally say hi to everyone here.

    tk32

    Hi @tk32

    I have found along my BM3 journey that some of the most missed parts of the app are the ones that take ‘double clicks’ to appear. Yes some of these can also be found by other means, but it’s these fast track double clicks that are probably hiding some of the more fascinating aspects of the app. May I suggest a quick guide sheet with these listed and linked to where they appear on pictures. Maybe a sort of click here in one pic and showing what appears in another pic. Visual explanations are often worth a thousand words ;)

    While the manual has the information, I think some people might learn quicker by use case scenarios, describing and showing how many tasks are accomplished. For example: Setting up different midi scenarios, recording to pads, importing midi files, how best to save imported and created banks / files.

    Basically trying to convert information in the manual into something easier to digest

    Good luck with this project. I’m still learning, but thankfully past that initial steep learning stage. Any help I can be though, I’m quite willing to help if possible :)

  • kinkujinkinkujin

    Welcome @tk32 !

    This makes sense to me.
    Basically trying to convert information in the manual into something easier to digest

    @Fruitbat1919 I concur.

  • universeuniverse

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @universe said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @kinkujin said:
    Righto! Thanks. Sheesh I was really scratching my head over that one.

    BM3 is full of little things like that! One day it all comes together! ;)

    Yah, tap/double tap everything and even if you don’t quite know what it is for just appreciate that you found a thing. :)

    Yeah apart from spending a weekend reading the whole manual and lots of YT videos of which there were hardly any at the start, I literally pressed anything that looked like it was supposed to be pressed to see what it did and then cross referenced that with the manual.

    Most people that don’t get bm3 just haven’t put in the work. iOS apps often make people lazy. If it doesn’t sing and dance within a few taps they move onto the next thing like kids at Xmas. And fair enough in some ways. The iOS platform has lowered the value of high end software and made it cheap for people to buy and discard. Just like the environmental epidemic of cheap throw away clothing.

    Bm3 is super tricky though and has some real clunky work flows that out people off. But if you stick with it and use muscle memory it pays dividends. Bm3 is sophisticated and needs time to master. Then once you’re in you’re only limited by your imagination.

    I was surprised when I found out (by accident) that there is a mixer for all the sounds on a set of pads - this is what I’ve been battling against on all other iOS software: drums needing to be separated to load fx on them and mix them within the mix well. BM3 does all this as standard - try doing this with any other iOS DAW! It takes an age to set up drums in Auria Pro. Not that Auria Pro is slow, it’s just not set up as a normal init program feature as standard.

    So while, yeah BM3 has an initial steep learning curve with its little idiosyncrasies, once you get to a certain point, BM3 is one of the easiest DAWs in iOS to get a track up and running imo

    Yes exactly. Bm3 is almost the same as any other daw. The layout is just slightly different.

    The way to look at pads and banks is to see them as a ready made ‘group’, that you would find in any conventional daw.

    Each pad is basically an audio track but some people get confused by the layout, as it’s 16 tracks (or 128) Ie 16 pads, in an impc sampler form. But that’s what they are. They’re like Audio tracks. Each with their own mixer send. And with the ‘group’ track being what you see in the main arrange page. It’s exactly like any other daw. Cubasis. Auria. Logic. But with a whole lot more.

  • BroCoastBroCoast
    edited October 2018

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    I have found along my BM3 journey that some of the most missed parts of the app are the ones that take ‘double clicks’ to appear. Yes some of these can also be found by other means, but it’s these fast track double clicks that are probably hiding some of the more fascinating aspects of the app. May I suggest a quick guide sheet with these listed and linked to where they appear on pictures. Maybe a sort of click here in one pic and showing what appears in another pic. Visual explanations are often worth a thousand words ;)

    >

    Yes! That was a huge discovery for me. Eg. In the pads section where you have the rows for different repeat subdivisions you can access swing/sync options by tapping the blue arrows.

    All these small things take out having to switch back and forth from different sections. It really pays to explore each part of the app inside and out.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @RUST( i )K said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    @RUST( i )K

    As for banks, their categories can all be edited

    The main problem to look out for is before you know how it works, you could be saving files or not and deleting files you need. Also keeping stuff organised is a pain if you don’t start how you mean to go on - I’ve got shit files everywhere! This is iOS all over though lol. What iOS Folders app needs is a shared files folder that all apps can look at!

    Tell me, where does BM3 fit in your workflow?

    Whole Tracks start to finish?

    Accompanying "app" like any other that gets sent to a DAW for production?

    Do you run it alone or in AUM?

    I am seeming to use it alone at the moment while I have AUM open with Circuit and external audio coming in.

    That goes into AB2 into multi loopy hd in outputs.

    I really have not determined where BM3 will go.

    Toying with dedicating AIR 2 for BM3 and Beathawk alone.

    I am thinking about what controller would be best "all in 1" controller for BM3.

    I like my keyboard and launchpad with it, but may want some other approach.

    Is it possible to midi control the mixer or am I missing something.

    IS THERE A WAY TO RECORD AND THEN "PLAY THE PATTERNS BACK" AND RECORD WHATEVER YOU DO?

    DO YOU HAVE A LINK OR RECOMMENDATION FOR SAVING WHOLE MULTI BANK PLAYBACK TRACKS TO AN ACTUAL PAD?

    I use BM3 stand alone. I make tracks in Cubasis (using Noize) and Auria Pro (using Twin 2). I make some audio using other apps in AUM, AB3 and Matrix too. Some tracks might even start in BeatHawk and iMPC Pro2. I feed lots of stuff into BM3 where I like to start tracks or continue them. I feel comfortable in BM3.

    I know Auria Pro is probably more suitable for some later mixing and final tweaks, but as I rarely get to that stage with a project before I get bored with it, BM3 is probably where I spend more time than anywhere else.

    Not sure about controllers, as I’ve been looking to get something for the past 3 years lol.

    As above, so I can’t answer your midi controller questions. I would probably ask @AndyPlankton regarding anything midi related, he seems to know his stuff.

    You can record to pads and then play them back for recording, if that’s what you mean? I record in sounds and loops from SampleTank often and it’s pretty quick to be fair. Make up a few pad banks. Use the bank mixer to tweak each pad within the mix once you’ve got something recorded (one of BM3s best features imo). Save it all and make some more. BM3s sampler and built in fx are really very easy to use once you get experience with them. I don’t make lots of layered sample sets, but I often quickly sample IAA synths like the Korg ones (I do this as IAA is the sporn of the devil).

    I don’t know any ways to load multi banks except from the shop bought ones. BM3 banks are so easy to create once you know how - it really is worth putting time into BM3. Just save everything often just in case. Don’t let that put you off I get just as many crashes in other apps as I do BM3. I’ve had two crashes today in BM3 while using it for over four hours and switching between projects. I’ve had over 22 different projects open and haven’t restarted my iPad often, so I’m not surprised it’s crashed a couple of times (as well as recording form plenty of other apps).

    If you just meant saving banks, that again is easy once you know how. Just hit the three dots near the bank name and decide what to save in the bank (files are pretty much a must, but you can save the patterns used in that bank too!)

    Andy

    He is troubled........

    Kidding

    We are friends outside the forum.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @AudioGus said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @kinkujin said:
    Righto! Thanks. Sheesh I was really scratching my head over that one.

    BM3 is full of little things like that! One day it all comes together! ;)

    Yah, tap/double tap everything and even if you don’t quite know what it is for just appreciate that you found a thing. :)

    Brilliant.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @tk32 welcome to the forum. Some of us kids at the back will be lining up to pinch copies of your book :)

  • tk32tk32
    edited October 2018

    Thanks for the welcome everyone.

    There will be a PDF and print version available once the whole thing is finished - but the wiki will be the quickest way to get it first.

    I'll post here once the first few sections go live.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @tk32 you RULE!! 👊

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @tk32 said:
    Greetings all,

    I'm a regular contributor, battle supervisor, and occasional antagonist over at the Intua BeatMaker 3 forums, but have only been a lurker here at AB up until now.

    This thread has managed to lure me out of hiding because it's a topic I feel quite strongly about – so much so that I've started writing my own guide to BeatMaker 3, written especially for new users and others who are having a little difficulty adapting to its slightly unfamiliar workflows and 'beautiful complexity'.

    I've only recently started writing the guide, but have so far received the encouragement and blessing of the main man, Mathieu Garcia, who has kindly offered to create a new Intua community Wiki to host the guide once I start publishing chapters.

    If you'd like a preview of how I plan to write the guide, I have posted an outline of the contents over at the Intua forum.

    Why am I telling you this? The answer is twofold..

    1. Judging from some of the comments in this thread, I have a feeling the guide might be helpful to some of you who have glimpsed BeatMaker's wonderful power, but have also been frustrated by it's unconventional swagger.
    2. I would really appreciate any input you guys (and girls?) could give me about what things you find most tricky about using Beatmaker - or particularly the things you didn't find covered well in the official documentation.

    Anyway, nice to break cover and finally say hi to everyone here.

    tk32

    Yo TEEKEE TK!

    Welcome so glad you came out of the closet!

    Glad to have your feedback and input.

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