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How (not) to sell your ios instruments
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It’s an sf2 file!
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Wutz dat?
Sound font
Thought I would leave a comment on here. This is my site and hell yes I lock the page and require you to email me. Why? I've had a massive wave of idiots who purchased this library because of how big it got, that I started to get PayPal and credit card disputes against me with these fools claiming my product "didn't work."
These people never emailed me for help and sure as hell didn't know what they were buying DESPITE my BIG ASS BOLD lettering describing what the product was and how to use it. This is an SF2 Pack for use with BS-16i. Not an app, so these dumbasses got cross-eyed when they saw .SF2 files in a ZIP folder.
So yes, I locked it. And those who have wanted the product enough have emailed me. I've done just fine in sales.
Lmao this is the best thing I’ve read all day. I’m sorry people are so stupid but god damn that’s hysterical. The lock page is awesome
You wouldn't have any use for my sounds anyway. No worries.
Oh it's been working wonderfully too. Those certain people have been stripped of their ability to impulse buy and god forbid you type an email. Don't need that type of business.
The app that is BS-16i is not mine. BS-16i is an SF2 Soundfont Player.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bismark-bs-16i/id388149926
This product is simply high quality soundfonts to be used with that app since the fact that you type in SF2 instruments in Google you usually get crappy sounds.
I've had lots of "luck", really success rather. Thank you.
@VGSGMusic Honestly, your honesty about it all makes me want to purchase the SF2s!
@Max23 why do you care about their business practices? If it works for them, whatever. This isn’t about access to some essential service where people are being excluded.
I agree with Bianca.
I had a look at the VGSGMusic website after reading this thread.
Some people may not know what a sound font is,
belittling them in the learning process is not really cool.
A question.
How many different audio file types are there including codec variations?
I gotta say that I find this whole dummy slap / velvet rope approach kind of refreshing.
@VGSGMusic : Hmm. I too took a look at your site, piqued by the er, ‘discussion’ here . So I suppose as a kind of guerrilla marketing ploy, if nothing else, this unusual approach is working...
What I don’t quite get is that the link for the ‘XL’ pack does exactly what I would expect, setting out clearly what is in the pack, explaining that it is specifically for the BS16i app, that it is a very large set of files delivered in zip format, and listing the iPads suitable to use it, and even including a couple of tutorial vids explaining how to install and use the sound fonts. All good, sensible stuff. Whereas the MKS20 link doesn’t even list what sounds I am going to get, should I prove myself worthy enough to purchase it?
Your site, your call, obviously, and you say it is working for you, so well done you, but I don’t understand why the reasonable and clearly flagged, even helpful approach for the XL pack, (because installing a sound font for the first time in BS16i is non obvious), shouldn’t also work? Or alternatively, why ‘idiots’ aren’t also causing you grief trying to use that one, necessitating locking it too behind your worthiness check? Perhaps you are just having a bad day, and need to vent? These are trying times.
Whatever. Just curious.
FWIW, I have sourced my own excellent sf2 pianos, Rhodes, etc for free from Soundfonts4U https://sites.google.com/site/soundfonts4u/, and I do know how to install them, so I won’t be troubling you further.
Thanks for the entertainment, though
I want to reply to everyone at once with one reply. Firstly to @Svetlovska , once you receive the password to the iKS20 product page it does indeed show you everything included with the product including sample rate and bit depth, velocity layers and so on. Not sure why you thought I was asking for a money to get a product description. I'm glad you know about SF2s and you just joined this thread so there was no "trouble" at all.
Secondly to @Max23 , I've been doing this long enough that a short while ago my whole nice act concerning things such as this left. I am tired of having incompetent customers run over me while I just say "oh darn." And to @Gravitas , I wish it didn't seem like I was "belittling" as I am not trying to belittle anyone or even everyone. I, a long time ago, got tired of awaking to multiple emails where someone purchased, tried to make this product be what they thought it might be, then get pissed and either actually cuss at me in emails or just file a dispute without ever reading a single thing on the product page or ever asking me for help.
Let's put it this way. I actually posted about this in a Kontakt Developer Facebook Group and someone put it like this. You don't try and buy a car without getting having a license NOR, it is the Car Salesman responsibility to give you a Driver's License test for you to be eligible then to buy their car. I got tired a long time ago of getting sales then giving DAILY and ALL through the night and day lessons on what a soundfont is, how to use a MIDI keyboard, how to set it up with your iPhone, so on and so forth.
Please any developer on here tell me you take 90% of your day to educate your customers post-purchase. I'm sure the answer will be no. Laugh if you want, but I'm smiling with you at the fact that I took a simple yet effective step to curb impulse purchases.
And thank you @AudioGus .
@VGSGMusic : point of order, Mr Chairman. I never suggested you were asking for money up front, and now I have had to take the time to explain my original comment to you a second time, which is kind of irritating, I guess? Should I perhaps now consider you an ‘idiot’ for not reading, or understanding what I wrote correctly? I can see how frustrating that must be... I think I’ll just leave it there.
Luckily, I don’t offer tech support for my little jokes, they come on a take it or leave it basis. Open source. Public domain. Have a great day
Thank you. Max23 needs to walk in my shoes for about 5 years and let's see how long Max23 is nice to the thousands of emails each WEEK asking "how do I use this shit?" "What is this SF2 thing?" "How do I connect my Casio to my phone?" Questions like this over and over and over.
After I started putting in locks like this, a customer buys, they know what they have bought, they enjoy. Simple.
Sorry I upset you. I actually never typed any of this in an upset manner but it looks like this struck a nerve with you. Feel better and you have a great day as well.
Quick edit, that above is where you messed up. You get the PASSWORD, you get ACCESS to the PRODUCT PAGE which contains "what sounds you are going to get" and more.
I went and looked at the page and didn’t see a sound list either. FWIW, personally, not ever gonna give some random company my email address just to get at specifics for a product I may or may not want.
That you suggest this is where I (we) “messed up” probably tells me all I need to know though. Again, just personally speaking. Glad you found a business model that works for you.
Back in the day (pre-internet) many companies would offer catalogs, product information, audio demos (usually on flexi-disc) etc. You had to snail mail a request and usually include your home address or PO Box, some nominal fee ($1-2 US), maybe a stamped self-addressed envelope and they would send you the item you were interested in. These days we freak out about giving someone an email address? Sorry but I find that humorous. 😉
The page should’ve been in binary, not English
@syrupcore : thank you, glad it wasn’t just me! Yeah, damn us potential customers ‘messing up’, who needs that?
Too many to list.
Lots of proprietary sample bank formats, lots of different audio file formats plus container formats with the same file extension (WAV, CAF, MKV etc) that can contain a number of different compression standards.
A few days back I had a situation with a seasoned eBay refurbished iMac seller.
He’s listed a percent 3.4 i7 iMac which was wiped and restored. I promptly clicked buy it now and asked the seller to provide a serial. After cross referencing the serial I found it was in fact a 2.7Ghz i7 machine.
This was not my main issue though. When I politely confronted the seller he accused me of being a time waster and of harassment and pretended to report me to eBay, scare tactics etc etc. Basically puffing up his feathers to cover up his disingenuity.
Of course this case in not the same but some things rang the bell. Treating customers as idiots is a terrible idea when running a business. Thinking it (yes) but publicly venting definitely not. So best to convince yourself they’re not, just to be on the safe side.
This also reminds me of BeepStreet dev when planning some of Drambo modules together. His was like: I want this to work for you, tell me how you want it to work. This attitude will eventually end in man’s pocket because he is being professional and open.
People walking this world have different backgrounds and are differently able which most definitely doesn’t make them idiots (forgetting etymology of the word for now).
Just random 5p.
🤣
I don't think a second explanation is necessary.
He didn't feel the point the first time round.
No tech support?
Public domain it is then
You have a great day also.
That's what I thought.
I'm still learning new file types and
I've been using computers all my life.
A good approach.
They say in the U.K that the customer is always right.
That's not always the case but diplomacy does go a long way.
True talk.
I didn't know about modular synthesis until I encountered dRambo
and everyone has been super helpful especially when I didn't have
a clue what I was going on about.
Make that 10p.
If this thread turns into a mega thread then let's add interest.
Even split?
Seems like the people butt hurt are the same people who didn't/don't read.