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  • Physicle Bouncy isn't showing in midi fx section, but can be loaded as AU inst. but since there is no way to route it's not working...

  • @BroCoast Agree. That was the main thing keeping me from getting into this one. Makes it hard to learn if you keep crashing, but are unsure if it’s you or the app.

  • @kobamoto said:
    over on Facebook they said it's got transient detection, anyone tried it?

    Yes and it works beautifully

  • @Carnbot said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Carnbot said:
    So are you saying that apps like Riffer won't work, as in you can't record the midi from it, but it will trigger the synths?

    Riffer isn’t AU midi so it won’t work in those slots anyway

    Ok I think there's still an AU category problem perhaps, Riffer and Rozeta are AU midi instruments as seen in the apeMatrix categories, but aren't midi fx. Unless apeMatrix has the categories wrong.

    Riffer shows up as an AU instrument in AUM.

  • @Dawdles said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Please tell me I’m wrong and it is possible to record the midi?

    Can’t route it. Can’t record it. Intua need to roll it back to how it was.. midi au was always great in bm3 on the pads. Pointless reinvention. Why alter something if it means it’ll be less functional and not fit with old projects?

    They fixed a crucial bug regarding the audio..

    That was not pointless at all.

    So far I've noticed:

    Audio not recording bug still present
    Adding a new bank messes with previously recorded automation
    Stability is vastly improved

    Try looking at it with a glass half full mindset. Stability is what everybody asked for!

    Keep an open mind until you've downloaded it and used it. Not crashing is the most important thing here...

    If they hadn’t fixed the audio track bug that you had big issues with, but instead had made it infinitely worse, you reckon you’d be in ‘glass half full’ mode? I’m just disappointed, I’ll download it eventually but already know I won’t be able to work how I want to with it and it’s going to be frustrating in day to day use...

    No I wouldn't be because audio track recording is a basic and crucial feature of any DAW. Let's be honest, the issue with MIDI au is not basic or crucial. It does suck though and I'm sorry it's worse than before.

  • @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Please tell me I’m wrong and it is possible to record the midi?

    Can’t route it. Can’t record it. Intua need to roll it back to how it was.. midi au was always great in bm3 on the pads. Pointless reinvention. Why alter something if it means it’ll be less functional and not fit with old projects?

    They fixed a crucial bug regarding the audio..

    That was not pointless at all.

    So far I've noticed:

    Audio not recording bug still present
    Adding a new bank messes with previously recorded automation
    Stability is vastly improved

    Try looking at it with a glass half full mindset. Stability is what everybody asked for!

    Keep an open mind until you've downloaded it and used it. Not crashing is the most important thing here...

    It crashed twice so far. Recording automation, insering fx(objeq), not full project, but single bank while testing. I never pushed it too hard tbh, but earlier versions only became unresponsive, it barely ever crashed.

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  • For me I find that Audio track recording is only an issue with IAA. Recording line in and AU has been 100% solid for me since the last iOS update that lifted the AU mem limit.

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  • @Dawdles said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Please tell me I’m wrong and it is possible to record the midi?

    Can’t route it. Can’t record it. Intua need to roll it back to how it was.. midi au was always great in bm3 on the pads. Pointless reinvention. Why alter something if it means it’ll be less functional and not fit with old projects?

    They fixed a crucial bug regarding the audio..

    That was not pointless at all.

    So far I've noticed:

    Audio not recording bug still present
    Adding a new bank messes with previously recorded automation
    Stability is vastly improved

    Try looking at it with a glass half full mindset. Stability is what everybody asked for!

    Keep an open mind until you've downloaded it and used it. Not crashing is the most important thing here...

    If they hadn’t fixed the audio track bug that you had big issues with, but instead had made it infinitely worse, you reckon you’d be in ‘glass half full’ mode? I’m just disappointed, I’ll download it eventually but already know I won’t be able to work how I want to with it and it’s going to be frustrating in day to day use...

    No I wouldn't be because audio track recording is a basic and crucial feature of any DAW. Let's be honest, the issue with MIDI au is not basic or crucial. It does suck though and I'm sorry it's worse than before.

    Not crucial to you doesn’t = not crucial. I rarely even record audio to timeline in song view so I’d never even hit the bug that was messing with you...But I’m always experimenting with assigning midi au to multiple destinations on different pads. Eurorack type organic simultaneous workflow. Gone... And can’t mess with old projects with this stuff already set up.

    Thats because the audio issue wasn't a bug, it has just been changed to monitor effects while recording now instead of insert effects, which should be on a switch, because to record live effects now you have to record the audio, then record again to bake effects, it is replacing one feature with another, instead of just adding a switch for both features, not a bug.

  • @Dawdles said:

    @recccp said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Please tell me I’m wrong and it is possible to record the midi?

    Can’t route it. Can’t record it. Intua need to roll it back to how it was.. midi au was always great in bm3 on the pads. Pointless reinvention. Why alter something if it means it’ll be less functional and not fit with old projects?

    They fixed a crucial bug regarding the audio..

    That was not pointless at all.

    So far I've noticed:

    Audio not recording bug still present
    Adding a new bank messes with previously recorded automation
    Stability is vastly improved

    Try looking at it with a glass half full mindset. Stability is what everybody asked for!

    Keep an open mind until you've downloaded it and used it. Not crashing is the most important thing here...

    It crashed twice so far. Recording automation, insering fx(objeq), not full project, but single bank while testing. I never pushed it too hard tbh, but earlier versions only became unresponsive, it barely ever crashed.

    Think I’m going to wait for the next update. Hopefully everything can be put right again...

    Wait for another year? :smiley:
    Hopefully NS2 will drop by then...

  • @Turntablist said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Please tell me I’m wrong and it is possible to record the midi?

    Can’t route it. Can’t record it. Intua need to roll it back to how it was.. midi au was always great in bm3 on the pads. Pointless reinvention. Why alter something if it means it’ll be less functional and not fit with old projects?

    They fixed a crucial bug regarding the audio..

    That was not pointless at all.

    So far I've noticed:

    Audio not recording bug still present
    Adding a new bank messes with previously recorded automation
    Stability is vastly improved

    Try looking at it with a glass half full mindset. Stability is what everybody asked for!

    Keep an open mind until you've downloaded it and used it. Not crashing is the most important thing here...

    If they hadn’t fixed the audio track bug that you had big issues with, but instead had made it infinitely worse, you reckon you’d be in ‘glass half full’ mode? I’m just disappointed, I’ll download it eventually but already know I won’t be able to work how I want to with it and it’s going to be frustrating in day to day use...

    No I wouldn't be because audio track recording is a basic and crucial feature of any DAW. Let's be honest, the issue with MIDI au is not basic or crucial. It does suck though and I'm sorry it's worse than before.

    Not crucial to you doesn’t = not crucial. I rarely even record audio to timeline in song view so I’d never even hit the bug that was messing with you...But I’m always experimenting with assigning midi au to multiple destinations on different pads. Eurorack type organic simultaneous workflow. Gone... And can’t mess with old projects with this stuff already set up.

    Thats because the audio issue wasn't a bug, it has just been changed to monitor effects while recording now instead of insert effects, which should be on a switch, because to record live effects now you have to record the audio, then record again to bake effects, it is replacing one feature with another, instead of just adding a switch for both features, not a bug.

    Honestly mate. Intua listened to me and it happened. It works like every other DAW and if you want that old functionality then all you need to is insert one more audio track = there is the switch.

    New update is stable as fuck. Can now load Audio Damage AU fx without crashy...

  • So, how do we use Rozeta LFO?

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    So, how do we use Rozeta LFO?

    LFO never worked 'properly' in BM3.

  • edited November 2018

    @BroCoast said:

    @Turntablist said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Please tell me I’m wrong and it is possible to record the midi?

    Can’t route it. Can’t record it. Intua need to roll it back to how it was.. midi au was always great in bm3 on the pads. Pointless reinvention. Why alter something if it means it’ll be less functional and not fit with old projects?

    They fixed a crucial bug regarding the audio..

    That was not pointless at all.

    So far I've noticed:

    Audio not recording bug still present
    Adding a new bank messes with previously recorded automation
    Stability is vastly improved

    Try looking at it with a glass half full mindset. Stability is what everybody asked for!

    Keep an open mind until you've downloaded it and used it. Not crashing is the most important thing here...

    If they hadn’t fixed the audio track bug that you had big issues with, but instead had made it infinitely worse, you reckon you’d be in ‘glass half full’ mode? I’m just disappointed, I’ll download it eventually but already know I won’t be able to work how I want to with it and it’s going to be frustrating in day to day use...

    No I wouldn't be because audio track recording is a basic and crucial feature of any DAW. Let's be honest, the issue with MIDI au is not basic or crucial. It does suck though and I'm sorry it's worse than before.

    Not crucial to you doesn’t = not crucial. I rarely even record audio to timeline in song view so I’d never even hit the bug that was messing with you...But I’m always experimenting with assigning midi au to multiple destinations on different pads. Eurorack type organic simultaneous workflow. Gone... And can’t mess with old projects with this stuff already set up.

    Thats because the audio issue wasn't a bug, it has just been changed to monitor effects while recording now instead of insert effects, which should be on a switch, because to record live effects now you have to record the audio, then record again to bake effects, it is replacing one feature with another, instead of just adding a switch for both features, not a bug.

    Honestly mate. Intua listened to me and it happened. It works like every other DAW and if you want that old functionality then all you need to is insert one more audio track = there is the switch.

    New update is stable as fuck. Can now load Audio Damage AU fx without crashy...

    Heres the rub, with the old way, all you had to do to get it your way, add another track, theres the switch.

    Removing a feature instead of just adding that switch, its very typical of this update, lets move on.

    Will test AD plugins, that would be great news indeed :)

  • @recccp said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    So, how do we use Rozeta LFO?

    LFO never worked 'properly' in BM3.

    Even before the change of Rozeta? Could have sworn I’ve used it way back...maybe not then

  • LFO used to work fine, you had to cludge to assign it to an AU, but it worked fine.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @recccp said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    So, how do we use Rozeta LFO?

    LFO never worked 'properly' in BM3.

    Even before the change of Rozeta? Could have sworn I’ve used it way back...maybe not then

    There was a workaround, but it was pita to set up, while you could record/draw automation in a second.

  • @Turntablist said:
    LFO used to work fine, you had to cludge to assign it to an AU, but it worked fine.

    Thought I had, or it was just my old brain making stuff up lol

  • In Audiobus, AU Midi FX and Instruments show up like this.
    It seems Rozeta LFO is a Midi instrument? It is not in the Midi FX list.
    Not sure, as the naming isn’t 1 =1. But it guides me fairly well.


  • edited November 2018

    @Turntablist said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Turntablist said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Please tell me I’m wrong and it is possible to record the midi?

    Can’t route it. Can’t record it. Intua need to roll it back to how it was.. midi au was always great in bm3 on the pads. Pointless reinvention. Why alter something if it means it’ll be less functional and not fit with old projects?

    They fixed a crucial bug regarding the audio..

    That was not pointless at all.

    So far I've noticed:

    Audio not recording bug still present
    Adding a new bank messes with previously recorded automation
    Stability is vastly improved

    Try looking at it with a glass half full mindset. Stability is what everybody asked for!

    Keep an open mind until you've downloaded it and used it. Not crashing is the most important thing here...

    If they hadn’t fixed the audio track bug that you had big issues with, but instead had made it infinitely worse, you reckon you’d be in ‘glass half full’ mode? I’m just disappointed, I’ll download it eventually but already know I won’t be able to work how I want to with it and it’s going to be frustrating in day to day use...

    No I wouldn't be because audio track recording is a basic and crucial feature of any DAW. Let's be honest, the issue with MIDI au is not basic or crucial. It does suck though and I'm sorry it's worse than before.

    Not crucial to you doesn’t = not crucial. I rarely even record audio to timeline in song view so I’d never even hit the bug that was messing with you...But I’m always experimenting with assigning midi au to multiple destinations on different pads. Eurorack type organic simultaneous workflow. Gone... And can’t mess with old projects with this stuff already set up.

    Thats because the audio issue wasn't a bug, it has just been changed to monitor effects while recording now instead of insert effects, which should be on a switch, because to record live effects now you have to record the audio, then record again to bake effects, it is replacing one feature with another, instead of just adding a switch for both features, not a bug.

    Honestly mate. Intua listened to me and it happened. It works like every other DAW and if you want that old functionality then all you need to is insert one more audio track = there is the switch.

    New update is stable as fuck. Can now load Audio Damage AU fx without crashy...

    Heres the rub, with the old way, all you had to do to get it your way, add another track, theres the switch.

    Removing a feature instead of just adding that switch, its very typical of this update, lets move on.

    Will test AD plugins, that would be great news indeed :)

    Happy to move on. But funny, I sense they've still got some fucked up routing going on since fader level of receiving track effects the recorded level of audio! That shit should be bypassed completely. Or at least like you say have the option on a switch.

    I do see the merit in the old way, best would of been an option rather than a swap. Ahhh, they're kooky to say the least.

    I am grateful the monitoring bug is fixed though. That rookie stuff will blow up your monitors/headphones.

  • If you can’t record midi notes in from Midi FX Sequencers like SPAU what’s the point of midi fx in the first place apart from live use ?

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    If you can’t record midi notes in from Midi FX Sequencers like SPAU what’s the point of midi fx in the first place apart from live use ?

    Yeah, it shouldn’t matter.
    I thought the Midi FX just have input and output, like an audio effect.
    As opposed to just sending midi output, which would be the AB midi input apps.
    I am sufficiently confused now, lol. :D

  • PS Just for some perspective. We are complaining about a relatively cheap iOS app with a lot of bugs. Look at the new Moog synth... It has more bugs than BM3 and costs 8 grand!

  • @BroCoast said:
    PS Just for some perspective. We are complaining about a relatively cheap iOS app with a lot of bugs. Look at the new Moog synth... It has more bugs than BM3 and costs 8 grand!

    And when it is sold on is worth more than you paid for it, not even a comparison.

  • @Turntablist said:

    @BroCoast said:
    PS Just for some perspective. We are complaining about a relatively cheap iOS app with a lot of bugs. Look at the new Moog synth... It has more bugs than BM3 and costs 8 grand!

    And when it is sold on is worth more than you paid for it, not even a comparison.

    ?????

    What...

  • You can sell the 8 grand moog, nevermind, doesn' matter.

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    If you can’t record midi notes in from Midi FX Sequencers like SPAU what’s the point of midi fx in the first place apart from live use ?

    It kinda makes midi fx useless, except as you say - for live use. Even then, it’s still nice to be able to record a live played sequence. I used to change the settings in Rozeta all the time and make impromptu sequences recorded from live ‘playing’ of them. Now not possible in BM3.

    BM 3 used to have the best implementation of AU midi. While I know it’s not their fault people changed the way the AU apps worked (sure Bram Bos could better explain why that was needed than I) and so we waited. I was sure that we would lose that great flexibility BM3 originally had for AU midi, but at least it could have been done like Cubasis - without record it’s next to useless.

  • edited November 2018

    @Turntablist said:
    You can sell the 8 grand moog, nevermind, doesn' matter.

    At a loss far greater than the cost of BM3. Honestly iOS users expect way too much. Apps are cheap, they all do a lot of cool stuff that costs a lot more to do in hardware. The whole platform is plagued with issues, not one specific app.

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