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I guess so - onward and upward, but I’m very happy that I can export the midi from Troublemaker standalone into NS2.
We have so many tools, and quite a few differing hosts - I really can't see AU leading to any more homogeneous ways than the fashions of music already are in the mainstream.
iOS music making is relatively young. Times will change and so will our ways of using it. We have some really creative and intelligent people on this site. We therefore not only use the tech in many ways, but often look to discuss its future or possibilities- we are thinkers. We are not alone - there are many out there on all sites.
With the above in mind, I wouldn’t read too heavily into the craving for the future to be here today. Many of us crave the maturity of AU and have acknowledged that IAA is not the future of hosted apps. Many devs are of this opinion too and in time apps will either become AU, or eventually be of less interest.
By all means use whatever you want, we all do. While I’m not likely to buy many IAA apps now, I would if there was reason to. AU will eventually reduce any advantage that IAA had - it just needs a little maturing time. In time I’m sure we will forget IAA as hosted apps, beyond some memories of bygone times.
Let’s look at some changes:
Screen sizes - AU is getting there and it’s mainly down to the host app and host if this works well.
Stand alone - an app can have a host stand alone component and AU component, or even multiple AU extensions within the same package.
Midi component - while the current midi spec within AU has been not handled well by Apple imo (it has lead to confusion for developers), I have no doubts it will get there eventually.
IAA hosting will become forgotten in time and I doubt anyone will have reason to look back on it fondly. We may miss some apps that happened to be IAA, but not the spec itself.
I will say that although I'm not biased against IAAs, IAA effects have all but become obsolete for me (sorry, Holderness Media) because of unwieldier screen switching. Instruments I still have no problem with (mood IAA, Patterning 2 being staples).
AB3 midi learn for app switching has revived IAA apps. Switching apps by pushing a physical button is much more convenient and straight fwd than fiddling with windows hidding one and another and non scaling UI.
But you can set this up in Audiobus for switching AUs with hardware too so it’s just as convenient (and it’s faster). AU will always have more advantages if it’s implemented correctly when used as a plugin than IAA.
If it’s implemented correctly though, as some AUs aren’t as fully coded as well as their standalone apps but we’re seeing that less and less as time goes on.
I better not think too much about it, the more I do, the more I see how slow everything evolves because apple is doing it’s own things for their own interest $$$ ignoring users and devs that do their best to find workarounds. No concerted effort leads to clunky house of cards.
Damn the hardware is under exploited , but they manage to sell more and more every year.
We are trying to make music with content con$umption designed devices.
A good chance that development of the platform is not a matter of life and death, or I wish it was.
I still prefer IAA.
I have most synth apps mapped to my Minitaur. AU is good for FX though.
The powerful and affordable hardware exists only because millions buy iOS devices. That large market has accelerated the development, and the niche market of music-makers benefit. Apple prioritizes for the larger market because that's what successful businesses do. If Apple prospers, the iOS platform continues to evolve and, with patience, mobile musicians will have more and more power at their fingertips. Some are thankful and productive on that ride, others apparently not so much.
Apple have a fucking trillion in their attic, and we should be thankful for our overpriced device that won’t get updated with the new os features after 1 year. Marketing has done it’s Job very wéll. Pro devices with pro price point, kept underdevelopped to keep the desktop market alive and sell the next newer devices. The scheme is clear.
Patience, fine, thankfulness, that’s their part.
Call that unproductive, dumping thousand$ on apps rendered obsolete by « updates » and testing them for free.
Those greedy bastard can stick my thankfulness up their a$$. 😊
Thanks and hats off to developpers tho, I really don’t get where you take your patience, you must be really hungry or something. Apple should pay you a lot more for the users you bring in their ecosystem, so you could hire armies of coders to accelerate the development they are aces at slowing down.
Agree. I will thank the creatives and designers in this life (and those within Apple), but the money men can go fuck themselves. As for being thankful and productive - one can clearly be productive and have fun without having to be thankful. I’m thankful for kind people and the wonders of life. I’m thankful for the creative people that make things in this world, but I don’t have to be thankful to Apple or any other company - they make stuff and If it’s useful, I buy it. Market manipulators and money makers are not those I stay awake at night thanking.
If you can buy a better product for mobile music-making, then you should have bought it. iOS devices have been selling for years, and some people have complained about the same kinds of things since the beginning. Be a smarter consumer. No one is asking you to be thankful for anything. I'm just thankful for the technology and understand something about why it exists. Why all these great developers choose iOS despite the difficulties. Apple's being a giant money-maker is the reason it exists. I'm not sure why anyone would see that as thanking a corporation, like I'm sending Apple a card for the holidays or something.
I kind of liked the wild west early days of ios music app development. Yeah there wasn’t alot of connectivity, but we were flooded with wacky apps and new ideas for a touch interface. I embrace the advancement of au and better protocols, but I think the technical evolution is scaring hobbyist devs away from making these quirky apps of old with all the additional technical demands. I really don’t get the full on condemnation of apps that don’t release as au on this platform. I think there is still room for full screen standalone apps that take full adavantage of touch interface, but we aren’t going to see as much of them anymore.
I read this forum a lot and I honestly rarely see “condemnation” of apps that don’t release as AU. I see people often saying they don’t have use for it if not AU. I don’t call that condemnation, I call it choice.
I also feel that letting that preference be known is healthy, and should be helpful data that developers can benefit from. I don’t understand at all the outcry when people speak up about their preferences.
In the end, though, there are/were very few apps that actually utilize/d the iPad touch screen to a successful and innovative level. I think there's potential to still be explored, but I also feel at heart most people just want something that mimics the desktop in streamlined tablet form.
Guilty as charged @oat_phipps, tho it is not just streamlining, but the fun of just touching stuff to get results. Never thought it could be so enjoyable.
This is where NS2 is such a joy. I have never had so much fun automating synths and mixing parameters before.
Done, I own a deluge, OP-1, pocket operators, volcas and they are a joy to use! I am not saying apple devices are bad, I say they could be much greater if greed wasn’t chokings its development.
This.
When one person gives feed back it’s worth listening, but not always of importance to a dev - when lots of people say they won’t be buying something in feedback, then it’s probably worth taking some notice, even if it’s for future development.
We can imagine greater, but I'm talking reality. It's Apple's quest for success, to make money, that drives them. Without their ability to sell so many devices to people who don't use them professionally or for music-making, we wouldn't have the technological power we have. It's a need for their "greed," or why don't iOS music-makers just buy devices that are a "joy to use," and abandon supposedly mediocre Apple stuff? We don't. Without a gun to our head, we continue to pay for Apple stuff.
Greed is human nature, in varying amounts. People who want developers to give them free updates, when they paid 5 bucks for an app to begin with, are greedy. Buying devices made with slave labor is greed. I don't know many people who can claim purity.
Who said mediocre?...and who claims purity? And what « people expecting free updates » have to do with this??
And so since greed is part of everyone, I should not wish for more productive behavior from a trillion dollars company?
WTF?
Programmed obsolescence is probably the most destructive thing humans have ever invented.
The machine uses every part of the animal.
The human body is proof that programmed obsolescence wasn’t invented by humans.
Oups, I meant planned obsolescence, litteral translation...
I'd rather call it suggested or supposed obscolence
A thing spread in what's called information technology - with a bottomline of 'always update, never succeed'.
YOU can simply ignore it - it's not existing, just a myth propagated with high success.
My Powermac G3 with Pro Tools TDM runs as flawless as my iPad one as my crappy XP desktop with Creamware DSP cards.
There are no videos (I guess) showing people edit audio with Bias Peak on a 20 year old system. It would put all and every audio editor in IOS land to virtual blush
Ignoring updates on ios? Good one! They’ll arrass you till you say yes by mistake to find out the next morning that the damn thing installed itself on the damn device rendering obsolete hundreds of dollars worth of before perfectly working apps.
Mother Fuckers!! 😏
It is frustratingly weird. Technicaly speaking it seems like a kick ass multi track audio editor is low hanging fruit on iOS, yet nothing.
If people decide to pass on an app exclusively because it doesn’t offer AU support, that’s their call. For now, that means limiting their workflow and denying themselves the pure delight of apps like Synth One, Digital-D1, DRC, most of the Korgs— the list goes on— until the devs inevitably finish and release an update with AU support.
I think it’s more important though for effect plugins to offer AU— I fully admit to neglecting apps I would otherwise be laying down on every track (Holderness media, I’m looking at you), because window-switching just to adjust effect params is too significant a workflow interruption for me. Really looking forward to those updates.
Now, if I could open individual Korg Gadgets as AUs I would slap my tits and call myself Judy, but for now it seems they are pretty hell bent on keeping it a stand-alone app locked down by proprietary contracts with Dropbox and Abelton.
Silly isn’t it? There’s so many great apps that are not getting a look in. It’ll come...